AD champions are not significantly stronger than AP champions.

Bârd··6 votes·710 views

Magic carries are simply less common than Physical carries.

Physical Carries

Aatrox Caitlyn Camille Darius Draven Ezreal Fiora Gangplank Graves Irelia Jax Jayce Jinx Kalista Kindred KogMaw Lucian MasterYi Olaf Rengar Riven Shyvana Tristana Trundle Tryndamere Twitch Udyr Urgot Varus Vayne Warwick Xayah XinZhao Yasuo Yorick

Physical Semi-carries

Ashe Jhin Kayn Khazix Kled LeeSin MissFortune Nasus Nocturne Pantheon Quinn RekSai Renekton Shaco Sivir Talon Vi MonkeyKing Zed

Magic Carries

Akali Azir Cassiopeia Corki Diana Karthus Kayle Mordekaiser Ryze Swain Taliyah Teemo Viktor Vladimir

Magic Semi-carries

Ahri Anivia Annie AurelionSol Brand Ekko Elise Evelynn Fiddlesticks Fizz Galio Gragas Heimerdinger Karma Kassadin Katarina Kennen Lissandra Lux Malzahar Morgana Nidalee Orianna Rumble Singed Syndra TwistedFate Veigar Velkoz Xerath Ziggs Zilean Zoe Zyra

AP champions, as a general rule, fall flat in terms of raw carry potential. They have flaws in their kits that simply make playing them as a carry a mute point. Some have poor persistent damage (Lux). Some have high persistent damage, but it comes out over a long enough period that they can't kill reliably late game (Malzahar). Some have high persistent damage, and it comes out at a good rate, but they don't have the burst to finish people off (Fiddlesticks). Some have both burst and DPS, but are just completely unreliable (Heimerdinger).

The League community seems to equate "Carry" to "Anyone who does a lot of damage", and that simply isn't true.

The role of an carry is to a major force that drives the end of a teamfight in your teams favor, and to take objectives after the fight. If one side has a living carry and the other doesn't, the side with no carry will take a very long time to kill the enemy front line, allowing the enemy carry to break through their front line and start shooting the back line first.

The role of a semicarry is varied. Some are there to deal ambient damage to everyone (Fiddlesticks). This makes it easier for the carry to wipe out the enemy, but also means that it will be easier for one of you to clean up if the carry dies. Some are there to deal heavy burst to a single target (Zed). This dramatically swings the fight in your favor by getting rid of a major enemy disruptive force (whether that be a carry dealing damage or a Soraka undoing damage), but you don't typically contribute a whole lot else to the fight. Some are there to provide utility and disruption alongside their damage (Lissandra). These guys are essentially supports on crack, setting up their teams for success through means other than damage, while not lacking damage themselves.

Oh, did Tristana just pop off and kill your entire team, while your poor Kassadin never could have done the same? No, that doesn't mean "AP is under powered". Kassadin is not a carry. Kassadin can't do that, but you can bet your ass Ryze Cassiopeia Vladimir can.

13 Comments

Scary Door2 votes

When you deliberately omit half of the AP champions in the game, then yes, you're absolutely right!

Another solid post on the Boards!

Bârd3 votes

Which one?

Alistar Amumu Bard Blitzcrank Braum Chogath DrMundo Ivern Janna Leblanc Leona Lulu Malphite Maokai Nami Nautilus Nunu Sejuani Sona Soraka TahmKench Taric Thresh Zac

Those are all the magic heavy champions that weren't listed.

Out of those...

  • 0 are carries
  • 1 is a semi-carry
  • 14 are supports
  • 9 are tanks

Unless there's some next-level item 3124 item 3115 Nami build I'm blanking out on, or you are seriously considering Machine Gun Lulu, I fail to see your point.

PhDs Nuts1 votes

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Which one?

Alistar Amumu Bard Blitzcrank Braum Chogath DrMundo Ivern Janna Leblanc Leona Lulu Malphite Maokai Nami Nautilus Nunu Sejuani Sona Soraka TahmKench Taric Thresh Zac

Those are all the magic heavy champions that weren't listed.

Out of those...

  • 0 are carries
  • 1 is a semi-carry
  • 14 are supports
  • 9 are tanks

Unless there's some next-level item 3124 item 3115 Nami build I'm blanking out on, or you are seriously considering Machine Gun Lulu, I fail to see your point.

Then why are Darius, Olaf, Shyvana, Trundle, and Udyr included as carries? What separates them from Kled, Nasus, and Renekton? Why not then include Cho, Mundo, Malphite, and Maokai?

Bârd2 votes

Olaf, Shyv, Trundle, and Udyr are harder to kite than other melees, and they contribute assloads of damage depending on build. Darius just kills everything once he kills one guy.

Kled is great at killing one guy, but struggles to do anything else. Nasus is too slow. Renekton doesn't do much of anything anymore.

I shouldn't have to explain that tanks are not carries.

PhDs Nuts1 votes

Kinda weird that Brand, Ekko, Fizz, Kass, Kat, Kennen, Lux, Ori, Syndra, TF, Veigar, Vel'Koz, Xerath, Ziggs, and Zoe didn't make the cut. Especially when half that list destroys objectives after the fight, and that's literally Ziggs' job more than any other champion in the game. Ezreal is worse at objectives than most of both lists.

Bârd2 votes

Brand does a lot of damage, but does it too slow.

Those assassins can't kill tanks. I put Akali as an exception due to her ability to out-sustain the damage of most tanks, but she's on thin ice.

Kennen is mostly burst and disruption. On-hit AD Kennen qualifies as a carry, though. Same goes for Ori and her Nashors build.

The burst mages on the list can't kill tanks.

The artillery mages are too unreliable to be carries, though they aren't all that far off.

Ezreal isn't great at taking objectives alone, but his AS steroid for the team makes up for that a bit. He also has insane DPS in the mid game, so he serves the role well in team fights.

PhDs Nuts1 votes

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Brand does a lot of damage, but does it too slow.

Those assassins can't kill tanks. I put Akali as an exception due to her ability to out-sustain the damage of most tanks, but she's on thin ice.

lol, Brand isn't a DoT mage. He's a burst mage with a burn passive. His combo destroys people, AND he's good against tanks, which is for some reason a random qualifier even though that's the job of ADCs and DPS mages, but hey.

Those tank-busters like Ezreal, Graves, Riven, Urgot, Diana, Ryze, and Vlad amiright?

Bârd2 votes

Being able to burst squishies doesn't make you a carry, and Brand takes a long time to kill tanks, especially if they have adaptive helm. He can do it, but he's usually just ambient damage.

Graves, Riven, and Diana are mediocre at killing tanks, but can all of those champions can do it. Graves and Riven can buy cleaver to shred tanks, and Graves can buy attack speed. Most people go with Lethality, but that's not the only option. Diana can do it if she's building around her passive and tanking up a bit. Urgot is absolutely a tank-killer. His Passive is % HP damage, he builds Cleaver, and his ult effectively reduces their max HP by 25%. Ryze does obscene DPS, he can kill tanks easily. Vlad is worse against tanks than Ryze, just because he struggles to keep up, but he can do it, and no tank in the game can reliably kill Vlad with items.

VICKLIUS1 votes

the champions u listed as falling flat were what u considered mage semi carries, what are the flaws of the mage carries, also mage carry #= ad semi carry, ad carry#= mage semi carry, sounds like a lot of mages need buffs so they can carry, either by kit or items

Bârd3 votes

Not every champion needs to be a carry.

Shoehorning carry potential would just ruin most of those champions.

hoganftw1 votes

Or it's because AP itemization flat out sucks.

Bârd4 votes

...or you could read the post.

Zed genius1 votes

reading the post before replying in 2k18 lul

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