I seriously don't get why ad champions can become basically immune (Not literally but you know what i mean) to magic damage while ap champions have to build zhonyahs and still get shredded by lethality.
*lol its supposed to be edge of night.
Sett up 4my gank46 votesbecause everyone gets armor per level, and most people don't get mr per level.
Häßlich6 votesThis is a big part of it.
As for the OP, build GA if you need another armor item. GA + HG is one of the most cancer things mages can do, and they should abuse it until those items (or at least their effects) are removed.
Ralanr9 votesThey probably won't because it doesn't give them AP.
Mages avoid non AP items like the plague.
Häßlich9 votesThen complain when they get squished because they have no defense. XD
Ralanr2 votesIt's a vicious cycle.
Papa Andrei21 votesCauses most mages do jack all damage without alot of ap
Häßlich1 votesWho says you can't have a lot of AP?
Papa Andrei8 votesLets see, we need HG and GA. Along with boots thats about 70 ap(85 with runes). A morello, (185) a void staff (255) and then Rabadons (375) (473) Ap. But thats if you went full damage. Realistically, the Rabadons or even Void is replaced with a Rylais or Hextech item for health, and sometimes even a SV or Deadmans. So average game length of 20-30 minutes would equal about 3-4 items so around 280 ish ap
Häßlich5 votesWait, who the fk builds Deadman's on an AP mid? Or SV? No, that is just wrong.
Your build will vary based on champ, but in general you can expect it to see something like:
(or 
)
One of:
(Later to be GA or ZZ'Rot, most likely GA)
One of:
And a situational pick, possibly from one of the above sections.
You probably have 15AP from Quints, 15AP @18 if you took Natural Talent (offense tree), and you may have AP, MR, or CDR blues (going to assume not AP for simplicity).
Here's what it looks like on Brand: https://i.gyazo.com/56673ba4ab980efa87c483f2ad2fe55e.png (AP goes up to 550 if you use scaling AP blues, btw)
You honestly are going to tell me he does "jack all damage" with this set up? I don't think so. You'd be wrong if you did.
Schàdenfreude2 votesWait, who the fk builds Deadman's on an AP mid? Or SV? No, that is just wrong.
All these midlaners are able to go ethier of these items due to their more brusier-like playstyle (Fizz and Akali only if they off-tank)
Xilixer6 votesnone of the champs you listed are really mages. they are more like ap assassin/bruisers.
Nidken2 votesAssassins avoid non ad items like the plague?
I think the problem here is that in an ad vs ap matchup the ad champion always has the upper hand because they have such a variety of build options. Mages are forced into zhonyas because it is their only option.
FireDrizzle3 votesThis is a big part of it.
As for the OP, build GA if you need another armor item. **GA + HG **is one of the most cancer things mages can do, and they should abuse it until those items (or at least their effects) are removed.
Versus lethality and last whisper, 105 bonus armour X 0.55 = 57.75. WIth lethality removing most of base armour you wont even have near 105 total armour versus that. Last whisper only costs 1350 gold and if you just had tabi and zhonyas that will remove 33.75 armour compared to 10 with a serrated dirk(at level 18).
Penns2 votesId rather have broken hexdrinker than like 10-20 base armor more tbh tho lol
Sett up 4my gank2 votesId rather have broken hexdrinker than like 10-20 base armor more tbh tho lol
it isnt 10-20? most champions have between 80-90 base armor level 18 while around 40 MR, thats 40-50 base armor.
Penns2 votesYe but they only start getting more than 20 at like level 10, most games are decided before that anyway.
Very Hard Engage7 votesactually the majority of the roster does get MR per level... 66 do not get mr per level...
134 total champs..... (68 have mr growth)
just sayin.
Mecha MaIphite16 votesWhy do tanks have less than half as many realistic options for MR than they do for armor?
Melledoneus3 votesBecause ADs totally need it more.
hallfro10 votesThere are 2 different sources of AD damage- AD abilities and auto attacks. There is only 1 source of AP- AP abilities. Tanks, in order to resist both auto attacks and AD abilities, need more options for armor. Not so for AP.
QuickenedBlade13 votesBecause AP gets the HP items
O WAIT
TheHappyReaperz2 votesBecause AD get wonderful items that give you a dash and a cone slow.
LatetotheRace4 votesdash OR a cone slow. Meanwhile they get a spellshield or a cleanse... K
NineTailedMystic6 votesSpell shield and a cleanse. Hextech items are shared CDs, AD items are not.
ModAcademy Kayn1 votesWow, you mean the items meant for bruisers and Juggernauts? The people who NEED to be tanky in order to do their own freaking job??
ZT Xperimentor1 votesGuess who abused them the most? Marksmen more often than not, before riot gutted the items.
ModAcademy Kayn1 votesMarksmen abused two items, BC and Steraks, and only Steraks was relatively made worse in general, as compared to BC.
ZT Xperimentor1 votesTriforce rushes have made & broke caster marksmen like corki & ezreal; frozen mallet was more common before it's change was reverted from last year.
ModAcademy Kayn1 votesCorki and Ezreal, easily two of the most unique of most Marksmen (and Ez abuses every on-hit item, let's be real), so they're not really the best case to show abuse by Marksmen as a class.
ZT Xperimentor1 votesAlright want more casters?
ModAcademy Kayn1 votesCait not a caster, Graves is Unique, Jayce is an actual Caster, Jinx isn't a caster, Kennen ain't an ADC, Kindred is not a caster, Lucian is an actual caster, MF is something, Quinn is Unique, Tristana is not a Caster, TF is not an ADC, and Varus is actually one of the decent mixes between Caster and ADC.
What was your point with this?
ZT Xperimentor1 votesCaster is someone that relies on their abilities for damage, noticeably more than autos.
ModAcademy Kayn1 votesBut your original point is "Marksmen who abuse", which lowers that list to
Lucian, I guess MF, Quinn, and Varus.
ZT Xperimentor1 votesEvery marksmen enjoys the mana restore & cooldown reduction, especially if they're focusing on critical builds.
ModAcademy Kayn1 votesJust because they can build Crit and Essence Reaver doesn't make every crit building ADC a caster.
MaeDoSan3 votesDeal with it mages now have competition ad assassins are back and so are anti assassin team comps Control mages have been dominant for way too long couldn't care less if they take a back seat for a while
Jbels12 votesDeal with it mages now have competition ad assassins are back and so are anti assassin team comps Control mages have been dominant for way too long couldn't care less if they take a back seat for a while
They never left. They just became less mainstream because they weren't piss easy to win with. Only the assassin mains were playing them and still doing well. They're back in the mainstream again, so I think you can infer what that means
MaeDoSan1 votesYeah taking out a single target is piss easy in a 5 v 5 compared to spamming spells from the backline
Jbels14 votesYeah taking out a single target is piss easy in a 5 v 5 compared to spamming spells from the backline
I mean.........one of us has to aim...
hallfro2 votesI mean........one of us is ranged....
Jbels10 votesI mean........one of us is ranged....
Being ranged doesn't remove the skill factor involved in landing skillshots, a factor that doesn't come into play for assassins
Handin Out Naps3 votesAim is a non factor in team fights as everyone is clumped together and mages can just roll their faces. Factor in the fact that their skillshots are usually aoe and spammable and it gets pretty easy to team fight as a mage. Meanwhile assassins need to play proactively, constantly looking for openings, waiting out cooldowns, one miss step and you die in a team fight.
They don't get the liberty of sitting from range, they have to get into the fight while being an extremely squishy champion. Btw Zed's triple q is arguably harder than almost all mage skillshots in the game, so chill with the "but we have to aim" bullshit.
Jbels4 votesAim is a non factor in team fights as everyone is clumped together and mages can just roll their faces. Factor in the fact that their skillshots are usually aoe and spammable and it gets pretty easy to team fight as a mage. Meanwhile assassins need to play proactively, constantly looking for openings, waiting out cooldowns, one miss step and you die in a team fight.
They don't get the liberty of sitting from range, they have to get into the fight while being an extremely squishy champion. Btw Zed's triple q is arguably harder than almost all mage skillshots in the game, so chill with the "but we have to aim" bullshit.
You also get amazing offensive items with defensive stats and properties. Honestly, both are pretty loaded right now between Mages and Assassins
Papa Andrei2 votesHave you tried to play Xerath? Probably not eh?
Velzard of Koz6 votes"One of us is ranged", proceeds to click effective gapclose ability to delete range. I played Zed recently. Yes, didn't have problem going onto ADC guarded by Tank and fed Juggernaut, removing 100% or 80% of their HP (removing them from fight one way or another) in under 2 seconds, getting CC'd and still getting away with ult. Other Assasins also have gapcloser and escape for such patterns (not all).
Also played Akali. No it wasn't hard clicking on players and deleting them. As Vel'Koz main, it felt pretty rexlaing knowing that your abilities will apply damage deleting 60% of their HP under second with little to no telegraph or delay while having no chance to miss even if u were mentally disabled.
Birbonius2 votesEdge of Knight doesn't esist,btw.
Yaśuo Main34 votesesist isn't a word, btw.
lol
Balderdash10001 votesWhat I want to know is why aren't there any AD items that give armor? I mean, you can get like 100 MR with AD items, but you have to buy an armor item completely separately? What's with that?
A Bad Mystic7 votesWhat I want to know is why aren't there any AD items that give armor? I mean, you can get like 100 MR with AD items, but you have to buy an armor item completely separately? What's with that?
id honestly assume its to keep tanks and bruisers from gaining excessive amounts of survive-ability and damage at the same time. if there were damage armor items theyd have to be horribly inefficient to keep them as niche items instead of core.
4th3t0s1 votesRIP Atma's Impaler
