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Ashe Support: Troll Pick, or Possibly Meta

Rydogshaw··4 votes·1,430 views

Ashe, the champion played constantly throughout the Lcs and was seen as a pick or ban champion for a better part of the season, this was all as an adc however but there is a possibility of ashe being the new mf support. The reworked bond of stone/stone born pact allows movement impairing attacks to heal allies when they auto the same champion. This evidently can go well with ashe with her auto slow passive and constant slowing with her w ability. Not only can she heal allies by using her autos but with ardent censer allies gain the ardent censer buff granting them attack speed and extra damage, she also has a built in global vision which any support would die for, and can offer a lot of utility for a team. On top of this Ashe also has a global stun that can be annoying when it hits.

Build for Ashe support would look something like item 2301 ,item 3504 ,item 3071 ,item 3085 ,item 3036 ,item 3107 This offers Ashe not only utility but also some damage which can benefit her team

Pros -Ashe works well with the new bond of stone plus ardent would giver her a lot of options -Global vision with her e -Source of damage with w and q also giving her poke -Global stun that could last quite a while

Cons -easily bursted -Why pick her when you could pick someone better -easily countered -gets steamrolled by a lot of tank champions

ALSO I AM NOT TELLING YOU TO PICK ASHE SUPPORT IN RANKED, IF YOU ACTUALLY CONSIDER TRYING THIS DO IT IN NORMALS INSTEAD OF A RANKED GAME.

Ashe

26 Comments

LyingOnLine2 votes

Definitely troll pick.

It sucks absolute nut.

Kartagia2 votes

Actually, harass supporting has been an option since season 1. Most recent seasons has made harass support even more viable option due Riot focus on damage instead of tanking or supporting.

Too many people think that supporting is something it is not. And they do make that impression without playing support. Riot has joined community bullies in twisting the support role. Support should not be assigned to bottom but to team, as support has viable options. I do still recall season 1 when adc was solo mid and bottom was mage. Support could go second jungle, top support or bottom support.

Ashe harass support has damage to hurt enemy. She has low level cc - slowing arrows - and she has stun skill shot. She would benefit having relic shield at start as it allows Ashe to heal herself and adc with last hits of minions while relic shield has stacks.

Warlord Scrap2 votes

Serious question how come duo mid has never been meta. It has the fastest creep to mid time as its the shortest lane. Also with reworked rift herald becoming a viable early game objective it would allowed a duo mid to have control over both the herald or dragon depending on the situation.

Kartagia1 votes

I do also wonder that, but I have seen that community rather go dumb easy things than real working things. it is easier to go kills vs. deaths than do actual gold gain thinking. It is easier to value kills without thinking objectives. And it is easy to build damage.

Warlord Scrap1 votes

I mean i understand when mid was mostly immobile mages so they could get to tower quick but even now mid is mostly mobile champs like zed talon ahri with a few imobiles being meta. But the mobility mid wouldnt be that changed switching to a solo bot with a duo mid.

Kartagia1 votes

I think real reason is the fact all intelligent players are driven out of the game by total toxicity of community. Everybody trying something new is flamed, blamed and reported bullying. ONly those who go for kills are respected by community. Even platimuns and diamodns use K/D/A for assessing skill of players. And nobody respects supports as supports should not have taken kills on season 2. On season 1 people still understood support needs gold too.

Zerenza1 votes

Couple reason's actually.

  1. Level difference, In mid lane the primary people you'd be fighting are Mages and Assassins, mages and assassins are monster's in mid game and you'll be 2-3 levels behind them at all times if you duo mid, most assassins such as Katarina can 1v2 a bot lane easily so it would be dangerous to duo in mid lane.
  2. Ganking, it's a lot harder to avoid ganks in mid lane, if your duo mid then chances are you'll get ganked a lot because your easy gold, being 2 levels behind your enemy laner.
  3. Marksmen and most supports can't handle most mages and assassins after level 3, before level 3 any ADC will win lane, but afterwards their auto attack damage can actually be punished properly and after the enemy hits 6(which they will definitely hit before you) you'll be in kill range and will likely die 2v1.

Bonus: Previously EXP gain was adjusted for bot laner's to be different, in mid lane it's not, this means that in mid lane you'll be much MUCH further behind in levels than your enemy. if you enemy bot lane were solo and you were duo you'd have a better chance because exp is adjusted down there for a duo lane. (not sure if this is true anymore but it used to be)

Edit: You could probably get away with Duo Top easier because you most likely won't be facing people that can actually deal with your range which is the primary reason top laner's hate ranged top laner's, its near impossible to win lane against them because of the free damage they get and the lack of mobility that tanks and juggernauts have.

Warlord Scrap1 votes

Your 1 and 3 are discussing modern meta vs my proposed meta im talking about an overall meta shift so its largely irrelevant.

Sightsone plus 2 champs trinkets plus 2 cws would make ganks harder to overall gank and would counter act the easier to gank lane.

Bot lane gives no extra exp and shared exp is the same regardless of lane so im confused what you mean by your forth statement. And if your referring to the recently added rubber band mechanics wouldnt that just help out a duo vs solo even more.
Also the new rift herald is the first top ealry objective so id be suprised if we dont see some lane meta shifts in the next few months

Zerenza1 votes

1 and 3 aren't discussing the meta, realistically speaking duo laning against an assassin or mage with two squishy champions that they can usually 2v1 anyway is a bad idea especially being 2 levels behind them constantly, it's asking for trouble, the meta actually couldn't exist due to champion restrictions is what i was getting at but apparently i have to explain more.

There are several other problems that arise as well, for example, if your mid laner were forced to go bot lane as a mage or assassin they lose out on the ability to roam, which is vastly important to them because it's the whole reason they're in a shorter lane, it's easier to push in, easier to roam and easier to get kills in. Putting a mage or assassin bot lane instead of mid makes it harder for them to do their job, it also makes it easier to gank them because bot lane is longer and they don't have as many wards as 2 people do.

Also, wards don't fix everything, it's a lot harder to see a gank coming in midlane, you can be ganked from 8 different places in mid lane and with many junglers the number goes up. How are you going to ward all 8 places and still protect your immobile carry/support from the enemy? In many cases the only way to avoid a gank bot lane for example is to see it coming, in mid lane it's much harder to do that due to the number of place they can gank from and how easy it is to get into position to gank. Finally bot laner's and supports got bot for another reason, less likely to end up in 4-5v2 situations because atleast one lane is to far away to be involved, it still happens, but as an immobile marksmen and support you really don't want to fight a 5v2.

Finally, even if by some miracle your enemy were stupid enough to go duo mid too, it would basically be left up to who's team can gank you the most because as an immobile marksmen and support who's 2 levels behind everything else around them, it's only a matter of time before you get 5v2ed and they take your tower with ease.

The game isn't designed to have a duo mid, the champions aren't and it would literally only cause problems if you did do it. The only reason you have to support putting bot lane mid is to get objectives like Rift herald and Dragon more easily, but the cons outweigh the pros vastly due to how the game is built.

Friendly Ram2 votes

The cleaver ss and censer i've all seen on ashe support before but not sure on the other items. i'm fine with any supp as long as they're effective.

archerno11 votes

Whats the point of item 3504 ? SHe doesnt have any shields or heals. Also its not troll pick. Its good into some comps.

Seth the Green1 votes

its for taking Bond of stone, which whenever you slow someone you allies heal off damaging them, giving you a constant low heal

Rydogshaw1 votes

Because of the Bond Of Stone thing it procs

Sir Fuzzi1 votes

wtf really?

Rydogshaw1 votes

yes

archerno11 votes

{quoted}

Because of the Bond Of Stone thing it procs

But thats just self shield from your ulti. Why would ashe support build entire item to increase her shield by 10 when she ultis?

Rydogshaw1 votes

no, not courage of the colossus, bond of stone/ stone born pact it tags enemies with a mark and when allies auto that champion they heal

archerno11 votes

{quoted}

no, not courage of the colossus, bond of stone/ stone born pact it tags enemies with a mark and when allies auto that champion they heal

But thats just minor heal. Wouldnt Locket benefit team much more?

rtbf2216514121 votes

{quoted}

Whats the point of item 3504 ? SHe doesnt have any shields or heals. Also its not troll pick. Its good into some comps.

Stoneborn Pact.

They should have said that.

The thing is it procs ardent and athenes.

Also, perma ardent passive is great.

"UNIQUE: Heals and shields on allied champions (excluding yourself) grant them +20% - 35% (based on level) attack speed and their attacks drain 20 - 35 (based on level) health on-hit for 6 seconds."

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Ardent_Censer

Also the healing 10% affects stoneborn.

Acheron161 votes

{quoted}

Whats the point of item 3504 ? SHe doesnt have any shields or heals. Also its not troll pick. Its good into some comps.

Bond of Stone being procced by her slows

MysterQ1 votes

Did you already post this? Someone posted something similar about one month ago.

I appreciate the post and do want to try it on normal one day. Problem is the Ashe has no sustain then, but I guess it is good practice for a support to work on anyways.

Kartagia1 votes

That is easily fixed with relic shield. Unlike people think, it works with ranged. You do not get execute, but you do not need it as you can make last hits from range. Melee execute is necessary for melee champion to be able to use it, as melee has to go into jeopardy when attacking minions.

CrazFight 1 votes

item 3190 Use this instead of item 3036

k wìx1 votes

Ashe support has been viable up to gold for a long time. Your assessment is pretty spot on. Smart players will know how easily she can bursted when you work through her positioning tricks. Her damage doesn't keep up with other supports, but she can work as a carry if the game drags on.

item 3504 is debatable, even with synergy.

LankPants1 votes

http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/ashe

39% winrate. It's a complete troll pick and utter garbage.

WizardlyWombat1 votes

{quoted}

Ashe, the champion played constantly throughout the Lcs and was seen as a pick or ban champion for a better part of the season, this was all as an adc however but there is a possibility of ashe being the new mf support. The reworked bond of stone/stone born pact allows movement impairing attacks to heal allies when they auto the same champion. This evidently can go well with ashe with her auto slow passive and constant slowing with her w ability. Not only can she heal allies by using her autos but with ardent censer allies gain the ardent censer buff granting them attack speed and extra damage, she also has a built in global vision which any support would die for, and can offer a lot of utility for a team. On top of this Ashe also has a global stun that can be annoying when it hits.

Build for Ashe support would look something like item 2301 ,item 3504 ,item 3071 ,item 3085 ,item 3036 ,item 3107 This offers Ashe not only utility but also some damage which can benefit her team

Pros -Ashe works well with the new bond of stone plus ardent would giver her a lot of options -Global vision with her e -Source of damage with w and q also giving her poke -Global stun that could last quite a while

Cons -easily bursted -Why pick her when you could pick someone better -easily countered -gets steamrolled by a lot of tank champions

ALSO I AM NOT TELLING YOU TO PICK ASHE SUPPORT IN RANKED, IF YOU ACTUALLY CONSIDER TRYING THIS DO IT IN NORMALS INSTEAD OF A RANKED GAME.

Ashe

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