there is no acceptable excuse for the bronze players ive seen stupid doesn't begin to describe bronze. how on gods green earth do you think we will not flame a mid and adc that are runing to there death and have a total of 9 deaths fed before i get the first clear in jungle. i will never understand you lyte you are insane for protecting players like that
Oddysseas7 votesI want to agree and i do, but!
Noone can really be punish for just being bad!
Now IF those 'feeders' play with no runes for example, it's still their right to do so, but since it's ranked they should be punished for doing so.
You however are flaming ( in other words saying inappropriate things in chat) which is a highly puniahable offence.
Now i do understand the reasons why you are kinda forced to do so, however you must understand that young people play this game, kids that are way too young to hear all these swearwords. And YES i agree that young kids shouldn't be allowed to play online games and use the internet, but this is a different and huge topic that we can't discuss here.
So the conclusion is, you are partially right but not quite. Being bad is nothing worth punishing for, unless they feed on purpose which you can't prove unless they admit it.
zane yalgir1 votesI want to agree and i do, but!
Noone can really be punish for just being bad!
Now IF those 'feeders' play with no runes for example, it's still their right to do so, but since it's ranked they should be punished for doing so.
You however are flaming ( in other words saying inappropriate things in chat) which is a highly puniahable offence.
Now i do understand the reasons why you are kinda forced to do so, however you must understand that young people play this game, kids that are way too young to hear all these swearwords. And YES i agree that young kids shouldn't be allowed to play online games and use the internet, but this is a different and huge topic that we can't discuss here.
So the conclusion is, you are partially right but not quite. Being bad is nothing worth punishing for, unless they feed on purpose which you can't prove unless they admit it.
what inappropriate isnt my flaming but there feeding that brought about the flaming.
your sayign the same shit the idiots at my crappy job say
the idiots "well there jsut high schoolers you cant expect mu...."
my very quick interruption "how about you shut up before you make your self look dumber we all know they are here for the scholarship they are employees just like you and me stop giving them a bs excuse"
and yes ive said this to the lovely mid level management because their the ones with the problem the management over them doesn't care and wont give them the authority to clean out the shit attitude from the high school kids who have never had a job before.
edit in this is important
the moment they started pressing the high school kids to work and carry their own weight things got better for not only the mid management getting screwed by upper management but all the sudden i wasn't killing my self to do the job of others
its the difference between going home in pain constantly and going home being able to relax
Oddysseas4 votesLol, you connected lol flaming with your job and coworkers... Well that escalated fast lol.
I also didn't getvwhere the scholarships came in lol!
I detect an anger management issue here dude, you should go get some help, really.
Flaming wont 'unkill' them, flaming won't make them go from a 2 to an 8 /10 players. And definitely flaming won't win any games for you!
Oddysseas3 votesYou should become a politician dude! Really go for it!
How you jump from one topic to another is truelly amazing lol!
You connected scholarships, highschool kid work, work, bosses, coworkers, flaming, and a whole bunch of different topics, i wonder when michael Jackson comes in lmao.
But hey imma disagree here, highschool kids shouldn't be working, this is capitalist shit!
Highschool kids should be enjoying their youth not be some bosses slave who takes all their dignity and ego away like the milatary fagggs treat people as if they are inferior because they speak from a position of power. I realized that when i started working, all my dreams went gone, i realized thia world sucks so much when i realized some fckin bitch can boss me around because she ia my boss i i need the money, all my dignity was gone, my ego lowered and i felt like a literal slave. Works sucks, noone ahould work people ahould go after their dreams not some shitty ass job.
Deep Terror Nami2 votesLet's say a mid feeder is just trolling you, trying to rile you up and piss you off. He even throws some hateful slurs at you. Two of your teammates go "can we just play? Ignore him and let's go", but instead you go off on him; because he deserves it of course, right? Well maybe, but now you have just made the game worse for the other 3 players in the game.
This is why you don't respond with toxicity no matter what the issue is. "Two wrongs don't make a right", if you will. The problem causer might not even be doing it on purpose sometimes (you know, just getting outplayed and feeding), and maybe he said something that rubbed you the wrong way but nobody else really minded (could've just been a friendly joke you mistook for a flat out insult).
The only right thing to do is try to be understanding, try to cooperate, try to continue the game to win, and not respond negatively. Try to be the better person. If you have to mute, do it. If you have to report, do that too.
zane yalgir1 votes[{quoted}](name=Valkyrie Witch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V7XldO4R,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-04-10T08:43:26.850+0000)
Let's say a mid feeder is just trolling you, trying to rile you up and piss you off. He even throws some hateful slurs at you. Two of your teammates go "can we just play? Ignore him and let's go", but instead you go off on him; because he deserves it of course, right? Well maybe, but now you have just made the game worse for the other 3 players in the game.
This is why you don't respond with toxicity no matter what the issue is. "Two wrongs don't make a right", if you will. The problem causer might not even be doing it on purpose sometimes (you know, just getting outplayed and feeding), and maybe he said something that rubbed you the wrong way but nobody else really minded (could've just been a friendly joke you mistook for a flat out insult).
The only right thing to do is try to be understanding, try to cooperate, try to continue the game to win, and not respond negatively. Try to be the better person. If you have to mute, do it. If you have to report, do that too.
no it was a solid ff no one had the will power to play against a ahri and luci who where that fed and walking in free turret completely uncontested
Deep Terror Nami3 votesOk that is one match. I have no idea what happened in that match, or why, but I'm talking about in general. As bad as a match is going because of people like that, flaming makes it worse. "He started it" is a child's excuse to misbehave, and if you compare this kind of behavior to that, I'm sure you'll agree that it is not an acceptable excuse that you'd use either.
zane yalgir1 votes[{quoted}](name=Valkyrie Witch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V7XldO4R,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2015-04-10T08:50:58.107+0000)
Ok that is one match. I have no idea what happened in that match, or why, but I'm talking about in general. As bad as a match is going because of people like that, flaming makes it worse. "He started it" is a child's excuse to misbehave, and if you compare this kind of behavior to that, I'm sure you'll agree that it is not an acceptable excuse that you'd use either.
your head
clearly we aren't on the same page and i dont care enough to try and connect the disconnect.
as i said in ranked in bronze there are far to many new level 30s with jsut 15 champions and have no fuckign clue what there doing as soem one who has been trying to get better as some one who is carrying them self outta brozne i can say this and will say this
bronze is filled with idiots that dont match riots policies.
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1790394499/211846831?tab=overview
this vi gave me issues. i have 3 times here damge 3 fucking times her damage instead of backing off and leave my cs to me when im not 6 items i lsot half my cs to her and i was with kata carrying this shitty team to the win. the attude vi gave wasnt "okay carry me snepai" but "lol your so bad. "
well vi you got 12 assists you have a higher kill participation then me but oh wait thats because the kill participation you use to see how good you are is strictly based on assist count and those things you got trying to ks me while me and kata busted our asses for towers and defending mid
props kata
vi fuck you ya i died more but then agian you never actually helped the most you got for an achievement was a dragon and no deaths a result of you leeching off me and kata
Sarutobi2 votesThat still doesnt justify your harassment towards them. you wanna help them and win the game. be polite. if these are new people whom are fleshly level 30 help them with builds, team comps, etc. you harassing them, name calling them doesnt do a damn thing nor does it help the other people are your team. If you feel the need to harass people you probably need to take some time off of this game, or use the mute button for obvious reasons! its pretty sad that you think people who do badly in a video game (that they can improve with but who you think can do it within the manner of one game) get deserved to be name called and harassed! its people like you that detest people away from this game because how you think people should be treated like this! its sad and hopefully when you grow up youll learn about life!
zane yalgir1 votesThat still doesnt justify your harassment towards them. you wanna help them and win the game. be polite. if these are new people whom are fleshly level 30 help them with builds, team comps, etc. you harassing them, name calling them doesnt do a damn thing nor does it help the other people are your team. If you feel the need to harass people you probably need to take some time off of this game, or use the mute button for obvious reasons! its pretty sad that you think people who do badly in a video game (that they can improve with but who you think can do it within the manner of one game) get deserved to be name called and harassed! its people like you that detest people away from this game because how you think people should be treated like this! its sad and hopefully when you grow up youll learn about life!
Oddysseas "Yes muting people is completely free, safe and OP."
this is your thinking. okay and? so why are they still the same worthless feeding human trash when i see them a month later and have them on my block list and here the lovely cries form the enemy saying shes so toxic report for feeding.
i really need some dates next to when blocked and when if ive played with them again. out of the 10-12 ive played with i think only one wasnt still human garbage so that means roughly 9-11 players after a month where still toxic still ruining games and still full of shit. and your okay with riots just mute policy? these players needed to be out of ranked and not on restrictions
Sarutobi1 votesIf they keep feeding despite countless times being told to improve well there is nothing you can do about. it still doesnt justify your reaction towards them. If this is a problem for you then i would just say make a rank team with people you can play with and just play like that since SoloQ is too much for you! Dont get me wrong i think you have a valid reason because there are people who dont take Rank serious despite the point of that mode, but sadly you cant just force people to not play Rank, or else then you'd complain about long queue time/not enough people playing rank!
IcyPepper2 votesYou know, there's never an excuse to be toxic. Ever.
Also answer my post, I've been waiting my turn. I really want to see you pick apart my logic. Wait, sorry, my bad. I really want to see you try.
zane yalgir1 votesYou know, there's never an excuse to be toxic. Ever.
Also answer my post, I've been waiting my turn. I really want to see you pick apart my logic. Wait, sorry, my bad. I really want to see you try.
im ignoring you your classic riot scripted bs and this post is dead becuase its only going to get people like you who are the human trash. im an old gen gamer you are a new gen, and new gen gamers are shitty people. you are exactly like a squeeker on cod no one will take you seriously im playing ranked becuase im seriously trying to win. when you walk yo your death to the point where its impossible to help you let alone my self becuase there looking for other fish. im gonna flame you. and my flaming isnt a problem. at this point the match isnt winable. the root cuase of everything wrong at that moment is and will always be. the fucktard that walked to his death over and over and over. while refusing to stay under the turret.
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1774432459/211846831?tab=overview a bad game of mine
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1790616968/211846831?tab=overview ziggs
wanna know the difference? i literally couldn't even be on my base side of the turret with out cho instantly forcing me outta lane and yes i backed regularly and got potions trying to not feed
and then theres ziggs we watched him dive ahris turret begging him to stop. and last i checked ahri doesn't have chos 3 potions each cs wave
i still havent heard a answer to my long standing question becuase it always starts and ends with attacks from people like you.
why aren't you doing your practice and research anyone should be doing before going in ranked where people are supposed to be try hards?
IcyPepper1 votesim ignoring you your classic riot scripted bs
I'm not hired by Riot.
and this post is dead becuase its only going to get people like you who are the human trash
Yes, I'm trash for daring to speak against verbal abuse and toxicity. I'm clearly a horrible human being to dare question why it's bad to be a dick to other players.
im an old gen gamer you are a new gen, and new gen gamers are shitty people. you are exactly like a squeeker on cod no one will take you seriously im playing ranked becuase im seriously trying to win.
You have no basis to say that, no knowledge. You don't know what gen consoles I play. Peasant, please, I grew up on the SNES just like every other 90's kid. If you're older than me, and around 30, you should have the maturity to be a decent human being. And I hate COD, btw. I play ranked to win just like anyone else, not to try out a funny AP Tryndamere build.
im gonna flame you. and my flaming isnt a problem. at this point the match isnt winable
If it isn't winnable, why are you flaming? That shit ain't going to magically turn the game around. Seriously, listen to yourself. "I'm going to flame you." A-are you serious? Imagine saying that to a coworker in real life. Watch your ass get fired for flaming (talk about irony). If you're obsessed with flaming, are you concerned about being a flamer?
a bad game of mine
I said an objective reason, not experience from your Bronze games where you clearly contributed to the problem by flaming. You already failed with ethos, so giving me links ain't going to do shit anymore. You got to win this with logos.
wanna know the difference? i literally couldn't even be on my base side of the turret with out cho instantly forcing me outta lane and yes i backed regularly and got potions trying to not feed
Funny how you're quick to blame your teammates, but it's never your fault if you're not having a good game. You're making excuses. What if your teammates tried doing that? Did people flame you too?
why aren't you doing your practice and research anyone should be doing before going in ranked where people are supposed to be try hards?
I never said I haven't done this. I've practiced and researched plenty, and try hard to win. I'm just wondering why you can't act like a decent fucking human being, or understand why that flaming and toxicity never improves gameplay and always makes it worse. Yes, you are contributing to the problem, and that gives you no right to shit on other people in a game where you do that.
There is a reason why you're bronze, and it isn't "bad teams." We've all heard this shit before. Just because people are bad doesn't excuse you to verbally abuse them, just like it's not okay for me to punch some random dude in the face because he bats for the other team and checked out my ass. Just fucking deal with it and move on.
Edit: I'll take your silence as the realization that maybe, just maybe... I'm right.
Double Edit: Can't even respond to me anymore, instead talking about me to other people! XD Aw, the feeling when you put a troll in his place.
Oddysseas1 votesYou need to get laid asap, your anger management issues are real...
Chill out don't be narcissistic.
I am not gonna call it 'toxicity' as i think its gay af and sounds so sensitive that makes my wanna puke.
Imma call it stop being a dick to people. You have no right being rude aka a dick. Noone wants to be bad, they just do. Everyone wants to win games just like you do. Everyone is trying to do their best.
You have no right to judge anyone and tell them how to play. You can do the right thing and give advice, now whether they take it or not it's up to them.
But seriously calm the fck down dude
zane yalgir1 votesYou need to get laid asap, your anger management issues are real...
Chill out don't be narcissistic.
I am not gonna call it 'toxicity' as i think its gay af and sounds so sensitive that makes my wanna puke.
Imma call it stop being a dick to people. You have no right being rude aka a dick. Noone wants to be bad, they just do. Everyone wants to win games just like you do. Everyone is trying to do their best.
You have no right to judge anyone and tell them how to play. You can do the right thing and give advice, now whether they take it or not it's up to them.
But seriously calm the fck down dude
wtf are you smoking and where can i get some. cuase as is.
tension scale
me
you sound way anger then i am and i swear ill never understand how you got anger from what ive said. ya i get angry easier then most. im also bullshit intolerant
every time i read one of your posts i see some one spitting as the scream. if anything it makes you less credablie
IcyPepper1 votesim also bullshit intolerant
The irony.
Oddysseas2 votesOk lets start over real quick.
Can you accept some facts?
Fact number one; being bad is not a punishable offence.
Fact number two; verbaly abusing people deserves punishment
Fact number three; if someone in person swears at you, insults you, acts like a dick to you..... You DON'T get a gun and shoot them.
Do you agree to these 3 facts???
IcyPepper2 votesI wonder if he'll actually say yes or no, or try to skirt around it with monster paragraphs, somehow accuse you of something, and never actually give a clear and concise answer.
Because those facts aren't subjective or conditional. It's a simple yes or no.
zane yalgir1 votesOk lets start over real quick.
Can you accept some facts?
Fact number one; being bad is not a punishable offence.
Fact number two; verbaly abusing people deserves punishment
Fact number three; if someone in person swears at you, insults you, acts like a dick to you..... You DON'T get a gun and shoot them.
Do you agree to these 3 facts???
didn't you ever learn there is no reset button in life your full of shit ive already decided your a hsitty person its to late to make peace with an ass like you. you jumped the gun you fucked up. im not gonna take any more of my time and give it to you since you are a fuck up.
so as the last post to you.
is being bad punisable. no its not.
no verbal abuse doesn't deserve punishment. im not abusing you becuase of you. im abusing you becuase you fucked up to the point i jsut lost a game like a scale had a hand tilting it in such away it have been a god send if i won.
fact number 3 wtf are you even getting at? sorry i didn't know you liked to think about shooting other humans. i stand where the military does. if im gonna shoot some one its gonna only be becuase its me or him and i dont give to shits about him in such a case
Oddysseas2 votesWell wether i am a shitty person or not it's most certainly not up to you to decide.
You DO have anger management issues and there is NO question about that.
When it comes to shooting people i never said anything like that, you just misinterpret my words. All i mean is that apart from the game even in real life someone bothing you for whatever reason doesn't mean you can beat them up or shoot them just cause you don't like how they act. It's a metaphor.
Also i am glad you realize that being bad isn't punishable however you are saying that verbal abuse can be justified because of the fact that you don't always verbally abuse people but only when they feed like crazy and lose you the games.
Well noone in their right minds verbally abuses people for no reason. There is always a reason why people verbally abuse others, in your case being bad aka feeding is a reason to verbally abuse someone. I think you are just crazy m8
zane yalgir1 votesWell wether i am a shitty person or not it's most certainly up to you to decide.
fixed it. you cant edit my thoughts of you no matter how hard you try. at least your more reasonable then tombdragon the dudes absolutely nuts i just got hit by like 5 messages cause he needs attention wanna give him some? i dont want to. he might actually be a friend to you where as im not okay with crazy and would rather have none if hes it.
IcyPepper1 votesI only try because I care. And you did call me a troll in an unrelated thread, so it's clear you're into me too.
You know, maybe we should just stop arguing and admit our feelings. It's obvious you're in love with me, so you might as well come out with it.
IcyPepper2 votesyawns
You're angry, clearly have emotional issues, and can't hold a coherent argument. If being Bronze is that bad, maybe you should just quit and try something you can actually get decent at. Preferably a PvE game so people don't have to put up with someone who tries to justify the right flame others for being "bad."
Like if such a thing existed. Hah! If you really held true to your flaming beliefs, you'd follow Lee Sin's footsteps when he protested.
Oddysseas2 votesDude, it's time, time to reveal the greatest secret in LOL!
This secret is what Challenger tier people don't want you to know!
The secret that for many years has shaped the elos and has given the ones who know it an unfair advantage in this game!!!!
Ready to hear it???? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . First step click 'tab' . . . . . . . . . . Second step! Next to that particular dude in your case vi there is a mute button. CLICK ON IT!! . . . . .congratulations! Secret revealed!!!
Yes muting people is completely free, safe and OP.
If this vi being an ass and you can't ignore her by giving no shits, you can mute her! And never have to deal with her shit ever, ever again!
Deep Terror Nami2 votesTombdragon already said what I was about to, but I'll repeat it anyway;
It doesn't matter what your problem is, it is never a good excuse to flame.
I don't care if they were toxic, if they were trolling, feeding on purpose or due to being bad, or if they were literally hacking. It is not ok to make the environment more hostile and contribute to a bad experience for the rest of the players.
I got your message loud and clear; you are a jerk and trying to justify being so. Stop it. Don't stoop to their level (though from the way you're talking here, I think that might be your natural level).
IcyPepper2 votesYou ever done bad in a game, and admit your faults? Or did you get made when people get on your case?
Just because someone isn't doing well in a video game doesn't excuse you from acting like a decent fucking human being.
Seriously, let's be honest. Think before you type a response. Do you really think that two people, one arguing for the right to be toxic and the other arguing for the right not to be verbally abused, that you can possibly win?
Seriously.
Go ahead and try to argue again me without spouting a single insult. Don't complain about your previous experiences, don't bring up your "gonna carry" KDA, give me a good, objective reason why you're right that has nothing to do with you. Because raging in Bronze ranked is the easiest to climb, especially since you had so much experience in Bronze last season as well as this one?
Oddysseas2 votesI agree
Oddysseas1 votesOk ill give you an example, in one of my previous matches, i have a second pick dude call mid, he locks veigar, then third pick dude who never spoke in chat locks katarina and says he will mid after veigar(2nd) pick did.
Veigar starts flaming and swearing while people are asking for someone to dodge.
I took it cool. I begged veigar to go support which he did. Although he kept threatening that he would steal farm to keep his q stacks high.
Thsi pissed our last pick adc (ezreal).
I tried to maintain controll, calm everyone down. Game starts and veigar starts flamibg in chat against katarina.
I kept talking nice to them both saying things like ' it's ok dude it's done now, you can keep talking like this or you can try to play and we win, get the lp, and flame after' i kept trying to motivate them. Try to say gj in every olay they made, i was jung so i called veigar a few times to give him blue buff which made him happy and shut up.
They game went on, i was doing good so i even spared a couple kills for veigar so he gets happy.
We won that game, a game that i would hace sworn it was lost before it even started. Veigar didn't even build as sup, he went full ap which forced me to buy wards but ohh well, we all sacrificed something but we won.
I could have flamed on both kata and veigar but if i had we would have lost the game 100%. So what is the point?
Plus more typing means less playing!
zane yalgir1 votesWe won that game, a game that i would hace sworn it was lost before it even started. Veigar didn't even build as sup, he went full ap which forced me to buy wards but ohh well, we all sacrificed something but we won.
the all important detail. your talking from a pregame only im talking we are ten mins in this is already just over.
your circle jerk is well fun i guess though you have ego issues
i dont have ego issues. i dont have an ego. and this post was how does riot think they can justify there policies. ive listened to lyte and nothing he says matches the bronze shit tier of play or a huge chunk of players here
SmknWdl1 votesLook, I'm in bronze, working to get out. Ive found (my new strat for climbing) that when in a game if someone is feeding or just being plain retarded the best thing you can do is just chill and be nice and positive and give some pointers, and CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. Extreme kindness has worked for me... and i honestly feel better after games even if we lose.
zane yalgir1 votesLook, I'm in bronze, working to get out. Ive found (my new strat for climbing) that when in a game if someone is feeding or just being plain retarded the best thing you can do is just chill and be nice and positive and give some pointers, and CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. Extreme kindness has worked for me... and i honestly feel better after games even if we lose.
the fact that you have to bite your tounge and in most cases beg for them to work together is stupid. my last game i just playerd i constantly begged thresh to aa in fights or him and or cho to initiate with there cc
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1791263022/211846831?tab=overview while my team went baron i ended it with a single play becuase i finally got my build and could do so. i had one turret and an ace right as they got baron i cught jinx at red then they went baron while i went for nexus got teemo near their gate necasue ranged champ with slow op then i got the perfect qss on a bruam swain stun poped swain and then bruam and right as i was getting turrets xearth came and got popped
their response when the ace and my ping on nexus was " O_o "
