currently at 58% winrate, which is absurdly high. You can't contest him at dragon on even ground, and his potential to steal is retarded. When's it getting nerfed?
http://champion.gg/champion/Nunu/Jungle
He was way too good last patch, and he's even better this patch. His play rate is on the rise as well.
TheRakkun2 votesAccording to Lolking Sejuani and Amumu are still better
Venowolf1 votesLolking don't take in account LAN,LAS (2 of the most giant server around the world) and TURKEY Server's so the raw database its not rigth, have a huge mistake rate, also don't take in account when Sejuani or Amummu are play in other roles different to the jungle like champion.gg, personally its much better champion.gg to check the real winrate and Nunu its the best jungle actually, according to the complete data, Its Nunu the best jungle and Sejuani is in the 6, I never uses lolking to check winrates by this same reason.
http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend&roleSort=Jungle
TheRakkun3 votesInteresting 
hgjkdlsaf jeldvb4 voteslolking doesn't differentiate by roles.
96% of sejuani's games are in jungle, but only 86% of nunu's are. Nunu is not as good at impacting the game in a lane role, and loses more because of it.
At any rate, champion.gg is substantially more detailed.
Venowolf1 votesYep... Sejuani win rate is 53.9% in jungle role on champion.gg and 55.6% on lolking
Sejuani ban rate is 84.33% in jungle role on champion.gg and 72.64% on lolking
So with the TURKEY LAN and LAS server's info and the clarity of role the raw data its more accuracy and can show thet Sejuani its a very good champ but no the best (Nunu Win Rate is 58.5%)
xX420n0sc0pzXx1 votesYep... Sejuani win rate is 53.9% in jungle role on champion.gg and 55.6% on lolking
Sejuani ban rate is 84.33% in jungle role on champion.gg and 72.64% on lolking
So with the TURKEY LAN and LAS server's info and the clarity of role the raw data its more accuracy and can show thet Sejuani its a very good champ but no the best (Nunu Win Rate is 58.5%)
You seem to be forgetting that champion.gg only takes data from Plat+ games but lolking takes data from all ranked games IIRC.
Venowolf1 votesNope... Take in account every elo... And the lolking don't take in account LAN LAS and Turkey server info, I'm a Plat2 in LAN and this can be work like a example: a champ like Leona in LAN is constanly banned, every game that I tried to play she is banned or picked. In champion.gg Leona have a 4.72% ban rate instead lolking an awful 0.45% this its veeeeryy weird because like I said before in every game that i tried to play Leona is banned, and that 0.45% don't reflex that, the 4.725 have a lot of sense.
In lolking Sejuani look like a god with a 56% win rate and this is not tre... the real value of Sejuani is 53% that is why Riot don't nerf anymore because have a real and fair win ratio, not like other champs how its Sion that have a nearly 58% win ratio on jungle and Nunu 58% win ratio on jungle, both receives nerf on the pbe because this. So its obviusly that champion.gg brings data by far more accuracy and fairly than lolking (Leona 0.45 ban rata, that joke). So I personally don't trust in lolking champion stadistic, because my region and the game experience don't refelx in that numbers.
stuartk111 votesWhich part do you find OP? Do you feel he hasn't got enough weaknesses? Do you think he is overtuned? Do you hate having to worry about him dealing more damage to the objective that you're trying to take?
Not saying you're wrong, but I don't really see any clear indication of needing much of a nerf at all. Could you actually say why?
Venowolf1 votesThe Nunu counter jungling its exc. The dragon contest its nearly impossible because smite+Consume
stuartk111 votesThe Nunu counter jungling its exc. The dragon contest its nearly impossible because smite+Consume
Remember that Nunu's Duelling potential is incredibly poor. Also, Cho'gath can control the Dragon more-so than Nunu, yet I don't see the same complaints. If you're complaining that he's OP because you can't steal a dragon from their control, then perhaps you should retain control of the pit. It's a minor complaint, not something that's OP and needing nerfed.
hgjkdlsaf jeldvb1 votesCho is different. It's harder to place cho on a team. His ult is technically better than consume, but it's also an ult and that forces him to choose between eating dragon or eating a carry. Nunu's 2 combat spells provide him plenty of utility, and decent damage if you build a bit of AP. There's also the longer cooldown to consider. Nunu delivers a single target speed and security combination that cannot be matched.
That said, when you pick nunu, you are committing to winning the objective game. He is simply not as strong in fights. His ult's damage and utility are both good, but he needs to get a full channel to use it fully. Ice ball is limited in almost any application, though it is really strong for fucking one person over consistently. Blood boil is the carry's best friend. Just because he only has 2 spells that directly benefit his combat doesn't mean that his effect on the fight is useless. That ms and as buffed carry outputs a lot more dps and is a fuck ton harder to take down with the nunu there.
Ultimately, nunu's unmatched objective control gives a substantial lead to any team he's on. The new importance of dragons indirectly buffs him, as it's no longer global gold, but a massive benefit on top of that. a 5th dragon is a free baron, and a baron is a free dragon. These two monsters are far more impactful this season than they ever have been, and it makes nunu the best he's ever been, because he's the best at abusing them.
stuartk111 votes[{quoted}](name=hgjkdlsaf jeldvb,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V5XZy94H,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2015-04-13T22:14:31.164+0000)
Cho is different. It's harder to place cho on a team. His ult is technically better than consume, but it's also an ult and that forces him to choose between eating dragon or eating a carry. Nunu's 2 combat spells provide him plenty of utility, and decent damage if you build a bit of AP. There's also the longer cooldown to consider. Nunu delivers a single target speed and security combination that cannot be matched.
That said, when you pick nunu, you are committing to winning the objective game. He is simply not as strong in fights. His ult's damage and utility are both good, but he needs to get a full channel to use it fully. Ice ball is limited in almost any application, though it is really strong for fucking one person over consistently. Blood boil is the carry's best friend. Just because he only has 2 spells that directly benefit his combat doesn't mean that his effect on the fight is useless. That ms and as buffed carry outputs a lot more dps and is a fuck ton harder to take down with the nunu there.
Ultimately, nunu's unmatched objective control gives a substantial lead to any team he's on. The new importance of dragons indirectly buffs him, as it's no longer global gold, but a massive benefit on top of that. a 5th dragon is a free baron, and a baron is a free dragon. These two monsters are far more impactful this season than they ever have been, and it makes nunu the best he's ever been, because he's the best at abusing them.
Nunu is almost exclusively an objective control jungler. You complained about not being able to steal it from Nunu when he already has control over the objective, when you could have been setting up to take better control of it. Also, he doesn't have good duelling potential, and you have over-exaggerated his snowball laughably so. A single target slow isn't so strong as to "fuck one person over consistently". That is like saying that Karthus's Wall of Pain is so strong that he auto-wins every fight he uses it in. It's all hyperbole.
The damage that Nunu deals in any fights is actually quite low, and relies on his team-mates for him to do well. His ganking potential is actually quite poor aswell. But it seems you like to ignore every weakness for your own argument's sake.
Renaille1 votes[{quoted}](name=hgjkdlsaf jeldvb,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V5XZy94H,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-04-12T21:58:18.007+0000)
You can't contest him at dragon on even ground,
really?
hgjkdlsaf jeldvb1 votesOk, so we have a single champion counter. Unless you have more answers to him, I don't think you have a worthwhile point.
Shadow Gilgamesh1 votesSo... don't try to take drag when Nunu is up? or put extra effort into keeping the pits warded since he's an objective control jungler? any jungler with a super nuke that can be used on drag isn't smart to try taking drag or baron while they're up..
hgjkdlsaf jeldvb1 votesYou seem to be confused about the situation. Nunu creates a situation where it's hard to take dragon. Obviously, you can't just go hunt him down when you want to take drag in many cases. If Nunu starts dragon, assuming it's warded, you still have to make it through 3-4 other people to get to him. You have to kill the nunu to secure it, because you can't outsmite a nunu unless he fucks up. Basically, nunu taking dragon creates a situation where his team is automatically favored to win an objective trade. His presence also makes it very hard to find chances to take it yourself.
The only way to handle it properly is to have control of the area before it's started, but that is impractical to organize in solo queue
Truly Prideful1 votesHe's good at jungling, it's what he does. He doesn't offer damage and has no innate tanky stats nor does he scale on his abilities with tank items. Why would they nerf him for doing the one thing he's supposed to do well?
Venowolf1 votesNunu its a completly objetive control jungle!
hgjkdlsaf jeldvb1 votesBecause 57% means that he's winning more games than other champs who are insanely good at their roles. That number implies that he's stronger than he rightfully should be.
insaiyanbacca1 votesso you want to nerf the one thing he does better then most other junglers at? controlling objectives(cho can still contest drag on even grounds with him and is way more useful)
hgjkdlsaf jeldvb1 votesYes, I am. Dragon and Baron control are far more impactful than they have ever been in previous seasons. Likewise, the 100 second respawns on jungle camps make eating the big raptor far more punishing. Nunu is a consistent problem champ when they rework the jungle, because his mechanics interact with it uniquely. They can hit his objective control, and he'll still be strong. 54% winrate is usually pretty safe when calling something strong to overpowered, and nunu is at 57%, which is damn near unheard of. The problem with him has always been, and always will be cases in which his objective control and counter-jungling abilities become so valuable that he's just automatically good.
Kouga1 votesHe gives up a large amount of his "power budget" in order to secure his place as a strong counter-jungler, objective-secure..er.
He has an entire ability that only damages minions/monsters, and he has one of the longest channels in the game that can be easily avoided, especially given the amount of mobility in the game. What he gains in objective control, he loses in other areas.
hgjkdlsaf jeldvb1 votesAnd yet his win rate doesn't lie. This happens every year with nunu, where because he is the best counter-jungler, he becomes overbearing because he has to be rebalanced around his ability to control important jungle targets, such as buffs, and dragons. The fact that he can walk by eat a raptor is also substantially more impactful because of the longer timer. Don't get me wrong, it's good that consume no longer deals more damage than smite, but his ability to counter-jungle and control dragon are stronger than they should be.
Kouga1 votesI could spend all day linking to the number of threads where players and Reds alike point out how flawed using win rates alone to determine a Champion's strengths are.
The playerbase will eventually catch up and remember how to play against Nunu. Nunu is very strong 1v1 in the jungle - even if he loses, he can just Q your face and run away, boosting his speed while slowing you. But if you coordinate with your nearest laner, he has a much harder time when he's focused. He can only slow one target, so he's more vulnerable in a 1v2. Call for your mid or top to come assist if you see him in your jungle. Vision becomes vital against Nunu; use smite to get the Wolf ward/seeker/thing, use your wards at objectives, and when you see him wander towards a buff, gank him.
Fueled By Coffee1 votesNunus jungle clear is great and he can solo drag early but his team fights are so crap because of all the CC meta flying around. He gets interrupted too easily was my only issue.
Scrambled Anivia1 votescan't contest? 's 1k true damage ult on a 70 sec cd(half if it killed a monster) says other wise. now if he brought smite with him? its up the smite battle cause thats a bunch of true damage for both of them. PLUS cho gets 1k true damage lvl 1 on his ult. sooooo yeah... :)
FantasySniper1 votesHow?
He's always been a menace in high-ranked games, but there needs to a way to accomplish a nerf effectively.