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Prove: Riot hates Solo Queue players

ZeeWolfZ··70 votes·2,897 views

HEADS UP: Jungle timers for all buff camp and epic monster respawns are now automatically granted to BOTH TEAMS at 60 seconds before spawn (vision of the takedown still grants the full timer).

Look at it this way.

You are a Solo Queue Jungler facing yet another Dynamic Queue's 3s/4s premade. You just cleared your Red buff and planning to gank bottom. However, the premade sees when you've killed your buff because the icon dissapears right after. They know you are moving to your opposite buff. They've warded and waiting for you. You are about to clear your buff, they kill you.

Red buff is about to pop again, this time the premade presses TAB and sees 60 seconds on your red buff timer. They know you are not there yet. All of them take your camps.

This system is made to reward premades and fuckup Solo Queue players. Your personal tactical and strategical play means nothing anymore.

It's all about who has a bigger premade.

47 Comments

Asyde31 votes

OP, I'm sorry but you don't understand how the new system works.

Enemies do not get to automatically see when you have killed a camp. The icon does not automatically dissapear. They cannot "track" your progress through the jungle.

What actually happens is that an hourglass will appear over the red/blue camps 1 minute before they RESPAWN. Meaning you get a warning that it will respawn, but you do not get to see when the camp is killed.

Additionally, if you have a ward at that camp, you WILL see the full timer while the ward is active.

Rickon Stark6 votes

But they still get vision if they're smart. If the red buff timer is at 60 seconds, they know that you're gonna be bot. If it's at 10 seconds, they KNOW you're gonna be coming to red. They get a FREE ward.

Asyde3 votes

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But they still get vision if they're smart. If the red buff timer is at 60 seconds, they know that you're gonna be bot. If it's at 10 seconds, they KNOW you're gonna be coming to red. They get a FREE ward.

Yes, when the icon shows up they will have a higher chance of predicting where you will be in 1m (or maybe what side you're on currently). But don't forget the 4 minutes prior to this icon showing up you have no idea. So the impact on tracking the jungler is not as severe as the OP makes it sound.

Entheos Geon6 votes

They don't get nearly as much information as a free ward and your team can capitalize on it too. It does make the jungle a little more dangerous, like a jungle should be.

forresto2 votes

it really depends whether you care that much about the buff. if youre fiddlesticks you probably don't care about red buff for instance. It also depends on how competent you are in keeping up on your buffs, which is something the enemy doesnt actually know.

Naag One3 votes

so use that info and gank top instead! cause enemy jungler will probably be around bot side for counter gank! :O!

gg

OyddAWqJ5r1 votes

So does your entire team? By knowing there's a possibility that someone will come for you at your buff you can use that general knowledge to more adequately prepare for what may be in store for you.

Cursed Aegis10 votes

Cold hard logic won't get in the way that rit0 FEELS about changing things and about never reinstating solo queue. Double down, triple down on any screw up, it'll work eventually... they figure that if they fail hard enough it will come full circle to win. WRONG.

ModAcademy Kayn7 votes

If a team is waiting for you at your second buff, and no one has called missing in their lanes, I don't think them having a premade is the worst of your problems.

Numpty6 votes

Uhh, you know that's not how it works, right? They don't see the marker disappear when you kill your buff. They see it disappear when it spawns. If you are at your buff the second it spawns and then you kill your buff it looks exactly the same as when you kill it 2 minutes after it spawns. They don't know when you're there, they know when the buff respawns.

The enemy jungler can use your red buff respawning as a HINT to stay near bottom in case you are going to clear it and gank bot, but here's the catch: Their opposite buff is probably respawning as well, so they would likely have been there anyway.

Fenikkusu14 votes

Very true. I'm really sad, I had big dreams for myself with this game, I had dreams of becoming a good soloqer and maybe going to play with one of the college teams. (Yes I know I'm bronze 2, I hit level 30 in preseason and now that DynQ exists, I just haven't played ranked.) But with DynQ and stuff like this...I just can't do it. Maybe I'll get into competitive Overwatch if that becomes a thing.

SeargentAnus4 votes

They know you are moving to your opposite buff. They've warded and waiting for you. You are about to clear your buff, they kill you.

This is your fault for not having proper vision control in your jungle.

Red buff is about to pop again, this time the premade presses TAB and sees 60 seconds on your red buff timer. They know you are not there yet. All of them take your camps.

Do something else on the map then. Them taking your camps means they can't stop you taking rift or ganking top.

It's much easier to blame premades than realizing you are forced to adapt to good players.

ZeeWolfZ2 votes

I have been in Diamond 4, I have played vs many diamond teams. So please. Teach me how to jungle.

I've only jungled since season 2.

Here is my smurf, to show you how easy Jungle is pre-Plat.

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=1suckharder

SeargentAnus2 votes

I never said I mained jungle. I never said I was good at the game. I know everyone in plat plays like a boosted animal including myself. What's funny is you're blaming premades instead of realizing you might have to think more about how you play jungle.

brisker61 votes

Please, teach me to nocturne LOL. Seriously though, I love nocturne, and you seem to be a good with him. Any advice on playing him out of silver? Im just a lowly Silver 3 atm

AATTRROOXX4 votes

However, the premade sees when you've killed your buff because the icon dissapears right after.

No, there is no indication of when a buff is killed, only when it is about to respawn.

SirSmokeysAlot3 votes

  1. Proof

  2. I don't feel any hate. Pretty sure Rito loves me.

Samael Rite2 votes

Well, if I am playing solo, I too can press tab and look at the buff timers, and decide to tell my team to help me try and kill the enemy jungler as well as take the buff.

ZeeWolfZ5 votes

how did that work for you so far? does a random group of 5 work better than a well oiled premade?

SirSmokeysAlot2 votes

Lol. Well oiled premade. You're so funny.

Jet Sett2 votes

So, this doesn't prove anything then? If your argument is that a premade can utilize it better than that's a pretty bad argument. Wanna get rid of wards since premades can coordinate them much easier than random 5 man teams? Oh, and dragon buff, Rift Herald, Baron, in fact, we could scrap the whole game!

Seriously, what is the argument here?

Dextix LT1 votes

The argument is again dinamic que and its stupid match ups with soloes against premades.

Kouhey1 votes

you mean proof?

ZeeWolfZ2 votes

yes. Too late to change now :D

Karma Deified1 votes

+1 If you're solo vs. premade, you can expect a coordinated buff steal and a very late response from your team if any.

Teslyn1 votes

i looked at your smurf.. i noticed that you were in a party of 4 on 1may2016.. so.. you are complaining about this .. then trying it and failing. i understand your pain and would like true solo que with no friends.

Rickon Stark1 votes

You're basically saying that if you're against capitalism why are you using a phone. People take advantage of the system.

Teslyn1 votes

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You're basically saying that if you're against capitalism why are you using a phone. People take advantage of the system.

i dont own a phone and i am against capitalism.. and yes.. i do understand it may sound odd. but its true

Rickon Stark1 votes

But it's really not.

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

But how is buying a computer/paying for Wifi any different from buying a phone?

Teslyn1 votes

{quoted}

But how is buying a computer/paying for Wifi any different from buying a phone?

wont get ball cancer from a computer

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

The only real cases of cancer from phones have been shown back when phones were literal bricks. Otherwise, the actual traces of radiation are really freaking small.

Teslyn1 votes

{quoted}

The only real cases of cancer from phones have been shown back when phones were literal bricks. Otherwise, the actual traces of radiation are really freaking small.

learn exposure limits.. time / distance / shielding..

for the most part its a small amount.. even though we are going off on the completely wrong direction with the point i was making.... you can get cancer from a cell phone.

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

http://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/radiation/cell-phones-fact-sheet#q5

Sure, you can get Cancer from a cell phone. Just like how I could also possibly win the lottery, but the chances are really freaking small. On the link I gave, it will explain how there have been no consistent studies to prove that Cells can reliably give someone cancer.

If they could, cell phones couldn't be marketed at all once this fact was made public. You don't kill your market for a cheap buck, because half a phone companies income are people buying newer models to upgrade. If there was any inherent risk behind getting cancer and phones, there would be a panic and we'd all be discouraged from using cell phones, not to mention Government would step in to stop any of that by pretty much sueing the fuck out of Companies till they agree to stop.

Teslyn1 votes

{quoted}

http://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/radiation/cell-phones-fact-sheet#q5

Sure, you can get Cancer from a cell phone. Just like how I could also possibly win the lottery, but the chances are really freaking small. On the link I gave, it will explain how there have been no consistent studies to prove that Cells can reliably give someone cancer.

If they could, cell phones couldn't be marketed at all once this fact was made public. You don't kill your market for a cheap buck, because half a phone companies income are people buying newer models to upgrade. If there was any inherent risk behind getting cancer and phones, there would be a panic and we'd all be discouraged from using cell phones, not to mention Government would step in to stop any of that by pretty much sueing the fuck out of Companies till they agree to stop.

i dont understand you and the points you are trying to get out. are you trying to sell me a cell phone? or confused why i dont have one? rather than pointing out things you find odd in my life you should really just hold on to that little emotion and work on self improvement.

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

Well to be blunt, I'm saying your idea that cell phones cause cancer is wrong and dumb. That's really it.

Teslyn1 votes

{quoted}

Well to be blunt, I'm saying your idea that cell phones cause cancer is wrong and dumb. That's really it.

get a life

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

Ha, you're also the one arguing this, not to mention complaining about capitalism on a League of Legends Forum. You have as much as a life as I do.

Teslyn1 votes

{quoted}

Ha, you're also the one arguing this, not to mention complaining about capitalism on a League of Legends Forum. You have as much as a life as I do.

last word

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

Second last word >~>

Teslyn1 votes

{quoted}

Second last word >~>

are we friends now?

Rickon Stark1 votes

Fuck jungle timers it literally tells you where the enemy jungler is and it lets you ward it. I agree #fuckjungletimers

Fox Byte1 votes

While I don't like the jungle timers that isn't how they work. Kind of like Kindred's mark they don't instantly go away. (If you've ever played Kindred you know that when you kill a mark the mark itself actually lingers on the mini map for a little bit thus not giving away your position.) It's the same for the buffs only the red and blue buff markers lingers a lot longer, until it's either about to respawn or the enemy jungler has vision on your camp. In which case it turns into the little hour glass.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loathe the jungle timers, I think they are stupid. I don't feel everyone should have an idea of when my jungle camp is coming back. Especially not when I go out of my way to have vision in the enemy jungle. It's rather irksome to have all that effort feel not as rewarded anymore. So I hope the jungle timers are eventually taken out but I'm not holding my breath.Kindred

blkh11 votes

I always thought that the idea of being able to time your camps was a jungler skill. Not anymore it seems. It does add an additionally level of needed to ward to be sure you don't get ganked in your own jungle though. So I guess it has an influence on the need for more vision.

a w1ld bulbasaur1 votes

so you hate premades but in your games on smurf and main you play with the same people making you a party of 3-4.

forresto1 votes

the timer dissapears after the camp spawns, not after the camp is cleared

Tufio1 votes

All riot want is to push groups since premade player > solo player for $$$, is easy math.

Dynamic queue is not a competitive system, is a glorified normal and that can't be fixed. (premades and massive range of mmr make any rating pointless)

if you want to play it, you MUST premade.

I guess you better quit.

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