For those having trouble against vayne

MorgManBasher·Nov 17, 2016·31 votes·8,172 views

Pick support

You can easily make vayne's life a living Hell all laning phase with just autoing her applying your passive. Using thunderlords, e, auto, q will chunk her to half HP all early game without worrying about her dodging your skills with her tumble since pretty much your whole kit is point and click and auto a lot. Your e reveals her in stealth so even though pinks don't anymore, Lulu can so no more invisibility.

She may not be a top tier support but she is my pocket pick against Vayne and always has been.

I suggest either hybrid reds or attack speed reds if you know you can auto a lot. Ability power quints. Armor yellows. Choice blues but I suggest either magic resist blues or flat ability power if you want to go ham and are not afraid of the enemy support.

Signed, Diamond 5 trashcan support main.

38 Comments

SaiannaNov 17, 201619 votes

Patch 6.23 Lulu nerfed to the ground Reason: Noone should dare to make fav ADC useless.

Tobias BracknerNov 17, 201613 votes

Holy canoli! A solution to defeating Vayne that doesn't involve "Rito plz"??? Surely all the people who are whining about Vayne are flooding this very thread and upvoting it for all the helpful info!

For real dude, we need more people like you and less whiny babies QQing about FOTM.

a special oneNov 17, 20165 votes

idk why youre getting downvotes

EcchiOtakuTMNov 17, 20162 votes

But it isn't a solution, courage and other utility supp>lulu and qss vayne guts lulu's aid.

A band aid fix isn't a solution.

Tobias BracknerNov 17, 20162 votes

QSS?

That item Marksman universally buy, like 4th item if ever?

That if they rush it they lose a lot of dmg?

That sounds like a lot of time to kick in Vayne's shit so yeah, it's a solution.

EcchiOtakuTMNov 17, 20161 votes

Still much better supports to get through early then qss 3rd/4th renders lulu useless.

Tobias BracknerNov 18, 20161 votes

What are you even saying?

You know we are talking about countering Vayne, right? If you are trying to be really roundabout to suggest another support then don't beat around the bush like a coward just say it.

If you are one of those "Vayne QQ" babies then no it doesn't render Lulu useless and I literally explained why. Ignoring someone else's points is an incredibly dumb thing to do.

Gosh DarnNov 17, 20168 votes

That's like taking Kalista to counter Udyr. Sure you counter the shit out of him, but now you have a Kalista on your team which is... not good.

MelledoneusNov 17, 20164 votes

Are you kidding? Lulu can be the biggest annoyance in team fights ever.

Gosh DarnNov 17, 20161 votes

Point is, Lulu is in a really awful spot right now, especially with Sona, Nami and Janna having similar roles but performing them far better.

Brutalitops01Nov 17, 20164 votes

Nautilus Simplest answer out there. Point and click cc.

BlakiepugNov 17, 20161 votes

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Simplest answer out there. Point and click cc.

His ult gets disrupted by Vayne's invisibility though... I play a lot of Nautilus and he is a decent response to Vayne in most scenarios but a good Vayne can avoid your ult time and time again.

5000000000000000Nov 17, 20161 votes

Wait, his ult doesn't follow Vayne's invis?

BlakiepugNov 17, 20161 votes

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Wait, his ult doesn't follow Vayne's invis?

Nope, it cancels the ult and just makes Naut studder for a second. The ult isn't wasted, it should still be off cooldown, but you have to replay the animation again.

5000000000000000Nov 17, 20162 votes

Oh, so it still follows her once it's casted. That's an outplay mechanic, I guess. I'm not super happy with it, though.

BlakiepugNov 17, 20161 votes

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Oh, so it still follows her once it's casted. That's an outplay mechanic, I guess. I'm not super happy with it, though.

Yeah, I really hate it. The cancellation makes Nautilus feel super clunky as he just kind of sits around for a brief second.

SpecterVonBarenNov 17, 20164 votes

But then you'd be taking Lulu support who dies to a stiff breeze in a lane where everyone has burst damage.

MorgManBasherNov 18, 20161 votes

The only lanes you should have issues in are lanes with burst mages like zyra/brand/etc. Even then lulu's level 1 is insane and you can dumpster these match ups starting level 1.

Vayne you can 1 vs 1 for like the first 10 to 20 minutes, easily chunking her for more than half her HP with 1 combo.

You are underselling lulu extremely even if she was overnerfed.

WiegrafOfValorNov 17, 20163 votes

It's balanced cause 1 out 100+ champions can beat her.

Boards logic

PS: Thanks for sharing, now with 5 bans all vayne mains will perma ban lulu

SpoofghoulNov 17, 20164 votes

ps with 5 bans vayne will never be played again

MorgManBasherNov 18, 20161 votes

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It's balanced cause 1 out 100+ champions can beat her.

Boards logic

PS: Thanks for sharing, now with 5 bans all vayne mains will perma ban lulu

Never said it was balanced or unbalanced, simply gave you my pocket pick for the match up.

Personally don't think she is overpowered but it's my personal opinion.

Craft ZeppelinNov 17, 20162 votes

if all fails Malzahar . He has a really high winrate now.

morris1Nov 17, 20161 votes

And soon he won't.

Kitty ClarissaNov 17, 20161 votes

i already play her but thanks :P

TuplamelaNov 17, 20161 votes

I have been doing the same with Sona . AA-Q-AA wrecks her. Find the minion she wants to last hit, park close to it and hit her with your Q+AA when she comes close. Might not work above Silver though. :P

101100111000Nov 17, 20163 votes

That barely even works in Silver.

chipndip1Nov 18, 20161 votes

What? So you're saying Sona doesn't fight above Silver? That's literally her entire attack pattern...

MorgManBasherNov 18, 20161 votes

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I have been doing the same with . AA-Q-AA wrecks her. Find the minion she wants to last hit, park close to it and hit her with your Q+AA when she comes close. Might not work above Silver though. :P

That's pretty standard for poke supports at ALL ELO's. You should always be punishing Vayne for ever last hit you can, forcing her to miss it or take damage.

BeatzBoyFTWNov 17, 20161 votes

Your e reveals her in stealth so even though pinks don't anymore, Lulu can so no more invisibility.

Holy fuck, I forgot she does this. Saving my IP, thanks for the tip! [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

ElegantDogeNov 17, 20161 votes

I can deal with Vayne in lane but it really depends on her support aswell. Having a Janna/sona/nami can make her incrediblyu strong the moment she gets her BF.

EcchiOtakuTMNov 17, 20161 votes

So why are you assuming they dont know to play adc? Cause only non-adc mains ignore qss.

MorgManBasherNov 18, 20161 votes

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So why are you assuming they dont know to play adc? Cause only non-adc mains ignore qss.

You aren't getting QSS any time soon, friend. You act like you are going to rush QSS like you are Tyler1 on Draven.

EcchiOtakuTMNov 18, 20161 votes

Nah in most situations a bf->null->zeal->complete zeal item->qss/complete ie->complete what wasn't finished those 3 items are built pretty swiftly.

And a support can outweigh a lulu advance early. Mid game lulu gets outscaled.

Supreme Senpai69Nov 17, 20161 votes

But having to play Lulu every game because Vayne is pick or ban... it's not fun. It's like having to play Morgana when they pick Blitzcrank. Any champion should beat any champion with some having slight advantages over others, but advantages that could be made up with sheer skill

chipndip1Nov 18, 20161 votes

Then we have the balancing issues we have now because no one's a strong pick against the few champions that prove to be better than everyone else.

Supreme Senpai69Nov 18, 20161 votes

I thought the point of the thread was that Lulu is a strong pick against Vayne though

chipndip1Nov 18, 20161 votes

You're the one that said "Every champ should only be marginally stronger than others in 1v1 scenarios at best". I'm telling you that that is what's causing LoL to be in a constant state of nerf hammering the nail that's sticking out. If you have no real balance, then no balance changes is going to fix your imbalance.

Supreme Senpai69Nov 18, 20161 votes

It's not like that right now though, many champions hard counter others. It can't be what is causing LoL to be in a constant state of nerf hammering because the game isn't like this. Unless I'm misreading your post, in which case my b.