I have a newfound respect for ADC and Support mains.

Over Innsmouth··37 votes·2,860 views

To a degree, I always have.

But the shit Riot's done to you guys lately... Lethality changes. 4 and 5 man ganks before 10 minutes. The obnoxious emphasis on snowballing. Having to deal with the jungler as what is effectively a third opponent in the 2v2 lane. The pressure of losing lane means losing first tower and dragon control.

And fucking mage supports.

I don't know how you put up with it, but here's to you all.

55 Comments

Ralanr9 votes

I think they are just so used to salt that they have a bigger immunity to it then most.

Supreme Senpai694 votes

You either deal with it long enough to become the salt or you main another role.

Fondling Gems1 votes

LoL is the first gaming community I have had real experience with. I don't consider it salty, I consider it the norm. It just so happens that every other game I play seems to have a really nice community. I consider that lucky.

it is all about exposure. I didn't grow up with a super nice gaming community, I grew up with you guys. So to me you guys are the norm, not the exception.

Bottom Laner4 votes

Thanks - a Jinx/Morgana main

Incognonymous4 votes

Support mains are underappreciated. ADC mains are entitled man-children who would benefit from some perspective, a good humbling, and most importantly the deletion of their champs and removal of the ADC role as a whole.

M00nKryzalid82419 votes

wow... that escalated quickly.

Ackelope4 votes

I love it when people make sweeping generalisations about a demographic, followed by extreme ideas to deal with them.

Seriously though, where do you even get that assumption? You've seen your own bad examples, witnessed the popular ideas, and you come to the conclusion that an entire demographic of people that enjoy playing a subset of characters in a video game, who take their fair load of shit, and who are usually just trying to have fun like everyone else, and take away the thing that they probably enjoy about the game?

I hope you're kidding.

Anidan1 votes

Well then. I find that some melee top mains tend to sound pretty entitled at this point (as if top lane should just magically belong to them and ranged should be tolerated solely as an off-meta pick unfit for serious play), but at least I'm not saying that anything they do or enjoy should be removed just because screw those few guys that give the others a worse name than they deserve.

Limrick5 votes

Support mains get jacked off more than anyone else.

Catastrop3 votes

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Support mains are underappreciated. ADC mains are entitled man-children who would benefit from some perspective, a good humbling, and most importantly the deletion of their champs and removal of the ADC role as a whole.

Behold!! Proof that the support role does have trash playing in it and that they aren't the precious little babies we make them out to be.

Incognonymous1 votes

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Behold!! Proof that the support role does have trash playing in it and that they aren't the precious little babies we make them out to be.

Jungle main since S2, try again, skippy.

DaNinad1 votes

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Jungle main since S2, try again, skippy.

and still unranked

Incognonymous1 votes

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and still unranked

Amazing. Almost like Rank resets every season? Fucking imagine that.

xUndeadzz1 votes

LMAOOOOO I LAUGHED SO HARD READING THING HAHAHAHA

DaNinad1 votes

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Support mains are underappreciated. ADC mains are entitled man-children who would benefit from some perspective, a good humbling, and most importantly the deletion of their champs and removal of the ADC role as a whole.

Some bias here, considering you have played 2 games as adc before, both losses

Incognonymous1 votes

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Some bias here, considering you have played 2 games as adc before, both losses

It's almost like the old system forced you into roles you didn't want, right? Oh, and let's not forgot that Ranked is the totality of League, and the thousands of games I've played across half a dozen game modes matter not in the face of 2 ranked games across six years, right?

Please. Stop embarrassing yourself. This is response is so laughable I pity you.

Snowplosion4 votes

Being honest the lethality builds are actually helping with the mage supports. Ghostblade gives movespeed for dodging and Edge of Night can block a spell, so that's nice. That being said, if Zyra was never seen bot lane again I would be the happiest man in the world.

50000000000000001 votes

She did get a pretty huge nerf this patch

Over Innsmouth2 votes

That 10 extra mana is going to gut her.

50000000000000004 votes

Not that, the plant AI. Before the plants prioritized all enemy champions in range whether they were hit by her spells or not, but now it will prioritize nearby minions first. That makes her poke significantly weaker.

Escheton1 votes

It is though. She has to manage her mana well already. Her Q being her main way to proc spellthieves and all. Most Zyra are overbearing as heck. Then run out of mana and hope noone notices.

Supreme Senpai694 votes

If you freeze the wave you get tower dived and if you overextend you get camped. If you ward you're still getting ganked by that invisible Eve, Shaco, Kha, or Rengar. Or that mobile Vi, Zac, Fiddlesticks, Warwick, and Lee Sin. The only soLucian is to play super incredibly aggro and get a kill or force your opponent to back before the jungler reaches level 3. If you can take tower around 5 minutes in then you don't have to deal with the bullshit anymore and can go play ARAM much to the chagrin of your Ahri.

Leo10243 votes

don't forget knowing that if you fuck up and the enemy adc gets a double you already know you're fucked

PureSilvrr3 votes

I left support for mid, tired of dealing with al of this every game, I still queue Mid/Supp tho, and I'm slowly being forced into the mage support meta, especially since my first main is a support now instead of a midlaner.... #revert6.23changes. #fixMalzahar #fixdamage #Bufftowers

Over Innsmouth3 votes

#makemalzgreatagain

PureSilvrr3 votes

I cant believe I'm making a trump meme but Makemalzgreatagain
MakeLolgreatagain

Josh Sand3 votes

I'm over this meta and I'm taking a break from the game.

I'm tired of crushing my lane for 6+ minutes, only to lose first tower to a 4/5 man dive.

I'm tired of teams being able to get away with all AD champs (again).

I'm tired of the support role being devoid of high skill-cap champs.

I'm tired of seeing every other role get champs with overloaded kits like Ekko and Camille, while we get champs like Braum and TK.

I'm tired of Riot ignoring this problem.

If only 10% of your players are willing to main support, while the other 90% have a negative experience whenever they are forced to auto-fill, I would consider that a priority issue to remedy. Especially when support mains like myself are starting to take a break from the game.

Over Innsmouth2 votes

I don't mind getting autofilled supp every once in a while. I can bust out the Kench or something else tanky.

Wait, no I can't. Brand and Zyra will destroy me.

Kallian1 votes

unbench the kench ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

sobi9993 votes

I am a supp main and i must say that adc's are suffering alot. Poor things die infront of me so many times, it's hard to see :/ Maybe utility supp need some more buffing because the damage creep is freaking high.

Kallian3 votes

I miss my Braum supports... Braum's atmosphere always stopped me from getting tilted, even when the jungler ganked. Now they've all been replaced with snobby kids with teddy bears and this plant lady that won't stop turning the lane into a garden*[zombie-nunu-tears]*

M00nKryzalid8242 votes

Why thank you kind sir.

Ppl say Support is easy, when its one of the hardest roles in the game. As for ADC, endurance and determination man.

Sp33d Zer02 votes

The one upside is the hope that your mid laner and jungler will do the same.

It rarely happens. BUT THERE IS HOPE!!!!!

In all seriousness though, fuck mage "supports". They make the lane harder than 4 man ganks, and the fact that it is borderline required to play a support bot lane means when I get auto filled into support, I am shoe-horned into Brand or Blitz because picking someone like Nami, Janna, Soraka, Sona, I'm just asking to be 100-0'd before I can use any kind of utility, and with picks like Leona, Thresh, Braum is just going to get you poked to hell and make it impossible to engage.

J Eevo2 votes

I'll be honest - I have no fucking idea what's going on with league right now. Are we still in preseason? I was sure preseason was a while ago, and we're past that point, yet I remember riot taking a stance on 'broad sweeping changes that throw the balance completely out of whack are normal only during preseason' and yet there's so much going just wrong lately.

Putting it plainly, The game's balance is a shitfest: -the jungle, it's extremely narrow amount of viable junglers. -the 4man ganks bot, bot turret being so squishy, first brick gold.

  • adcs being a non issue in contributing to the game's flow, consequent rise of ziggs botlane.
  • assassin rework with Talon basically being nonexistent now but with Lebonkers Rengar and Kha'zix being so strong at pretty much everything, -tanks running rampant top, Maokai and Poppy being unkillable even post cotc nerfs, -lethality changes, used to be awful, now it's so strong everyone and their builds it including adcs. -mage supports, Zyra and Malzahar pushing out other viable picks, and seemingly being now balanced around support role now. -camille postrelease, she's still pick/ban status and only now are we getting the response that riot knows she does everything too well -game length being widely shortened making the game so early game focused pushing lategamechampions out of viability,

I know Riot can't tackle everything at once but HOLY SHIT we need at least a few crossed off the list, the game's becoming so ridiculous it's starting to piss people off how there's no worry from riot's team being vocalized.

LaytonApprentice2 votes

As an adc main, I've never felt more useless than I have now. It is like putting in twice the effort for half the reward. If you want to carry, you have to be GOOD. It only takes one misstep and the enemy tank is going to kill you in about 2 seconds. A lost lane means you will be doing almost no damage to anyone and you end turning into nothing more than a target to pad the enemies KDA... I actually miss the juggernaut update now, can we go back to those days?

Over Innsmouth2 votes

Jhin's my secondary main and my second highest mastery, Ashe is my fourth and she's my backup ADC. I love these champs, but god damn it the role feels so lacking in agency. I'm basically a walking ward that has to be protected until I get my items.

And we've got these bullshit Lethality ADCs running rampant. As much as I'd rather play against Varus than Vayne, I still hate it, it removes the whole scaling curve of the class.

LaytonApprentice2 votes

ADC feels super binary now. Your either good or your not. If your not good, you can do literally nothing all game with no chance of coming back. If you are good, then you still have to put in ridiculous amounts of effort to keep any lead you had in order to hopefully hit your late-game fantasy (If Late-game even happens). No matter how far ahead you are... that 0/5 Poppy/Maokai/Etc. will always be a potential threat that can ruin all your hopes of winning and good luck to you if they are actually fed.

Over Innsmouth3 votes

It's as though an entire class designed around point-click damage and outstatting is super binary.

Huh. Who would have thought.

LaytonApprentice1 votes

If ADCs do get buffed, I hope it is skillbased and not just some random stats slapped on there. Playing well should be the same as doing well in-game. I.E. Putting more weight on farming, kiting, and other things adcs need to do.

Shirvallah2 votes

Hey, man. Just logged in to say thank you. I'm one of the few support mains out there. This new meta is the absolute worst, man. I have a couple things to say...

The support role has become a joke. If you aren't playing Zyra, Brand, or Malzahar, or if you're not playing cheese lanes like Morg/Cait, then it feels like you're pretty much guaranteed to lose lane anymore.

Even if you manage to win lane with a duo like Nami/Vayne that can potentially snowball well, there's always a good chance that an assassin or a broken ass tank that does too much damage and never dies is gonna pull an early roam and channel their new fancy Edge of Night spellshield or proc their CotC shield and kill the both of you in less than a few seconds. Then, there goes your turret. And dragon. And possibly the whole damn game.

I'm on a 7-8 game losing streak in ranked. I may not have played perfectly, and I might not be the best support in the world. But I feel as though I've done my job overall in just about every single one of those games. I've discovered I don't win as often if I'm playing a healer or shielder. Pretty sure I didn't play Zyra, Malzahar, or Brand in any of those losses. It's all about the damage and all-ins these days.

I say all this to say it can get pretty discouraging — so much to the point where I've actually considered taking a break from League until the meta is better and certain champions are balanced.

meowwow72 votes

usually when i see a malz or zyra "support" i laugh and pick alistar you can use malz's passive as a a stopping block for your w and better position your q and then get the last hit off e and zyra well just leave your passive to deal with her plants and before you say what about brand ali's ult counters a bit of his damage since it's in magic and not true damage [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

midnight oil241 votes

I used to put up with it.

then the warwick rework came and I became a jungle main.

But thanks you for the support. I know the pain they go through.

LordGeovanni1 votes

support was my secondary i didnt turn jungle secondary because of ww but mid im not consistent mid and ww definately made it easier as thats just when i decided to relearn jungle. which is going shitty because everyone pushes under enemy tower when im on that side of the map and then pings for gank when im not on that side of the map. also ww feels bad with out attack speed id rather they give us more attack speed upfront and not hit 2.5 just from under 25% hp enemy than this slow thing then attack speed monster thing they have now i could only imagine if fighters werent all basicly tanks and avoiding ww anyway what it would have been like if fighters were able to build their 3 damage 2 defense and boots build and ww hit 2.5 attack speed just because you got low health and fighters are supposed to be more even fight type guys.

agbudar1 votes

you main Braum and lvl your shield. learn how to save it for their burst. and you will be ok, and inadvertently most adc you play with will consider you a god.

Aptest1 votes

better than being all alone in top lane stuck in a 20 min 1v1 noodle fight VS the other tank that has no outcome and ends when one of the bot lanes or the junglers snowballs the game into a win/loss without coming top once.

Thefrostyviking1 votes

I used to be a jack of many trades, now i am a jack of 4 trades because my ADC skills aren't quite adequate for dealing with 4 man dives and being oneshot by supports item 3070 .

Really i went and tried out jungle for a while and when i went back to ADC things had really gotten different, oh riot.

Treyhova1 votes

Thank you. Jhin

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Thanks Tides! A loyal Tank and Raka player thanks you!

xUndeadzz1 votes

I appreciate the respect. But you left out 1 thing about ADCs. How squishy we are, how vulnerable we are to 1 shots. How easy it is for us to die before we even know we're being engaged on. Let alone we just got another damage nerf in 8.11. <3

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