Guinsoo Rageblade is too expensive!!!

Dremiist·Mar 26, 2017·2 votes·1,226 views

why did they increase the price so high omfg!!! make it 2600g, it's only good on some champion if they build bortk and or madred .... remember some champion doesn't even need it to shred tanks...

You have infinity edge for the same price that has way more benefit valuable damage for the buck and it doesn't require that you charge it up. ** Also why rageblade doesn't stack twice faster for melee champs?**

Forget about yi , it's better on kog'maw.

wouldn't mind if they nerfed the massive attack speed like they did to bortk, and decreased the price, i just feel bortk and rageblade combo is the reason why botrk got nerfed in the first place + build on kogmaw , there you go 2 core item and you're done , it's kog maw and guinsoo that needs a nerf , especially koggy.

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Best Kog NAMar 26, 20171 votes

KogMaw is the first example that comes to mind. They spiked the price back when they were changing items to balance around Kog'Maw's 5.0 so they bumped the price so he would have less of a murderous early game.

Meep ManMar 26, 20171 votes

They reworked it (used to be an AoE on-hit effect that had hybrid scaling), bumped the price, and then unreworked Kog'Maw during that time entirely due to this interaction

DremiistMar 26, 20171 votes

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is the first example that comes to mind. They spiked the price back when they were changing items to balance around Kog'Maw's 5.0 so they bumped the price so he would have less of a murderous early game.

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They reworked it (used to be an AoE on-hit effect that had hybrid scaling), bumped the price, and then unreworked Kog'Maw during that time entirely due to this interaction

SERIOUSLY JUST FOR ONE CHAMPION? KOG'MAW DOESN'T EVEN GET 5.0 ATTACK SPEED ANYMORE!!!

Best Kog NAMar 26, 20171 votes

Bro there's this great thing called the reply button. You can press it and it allows you too directly reply to someone. And yea, that's why they reverted him, because they didn't see any other way of balancing it.

GankedByWindowsMar 26, 20171 votes

Infinity and Rageblade cost the same because they're both final big ticket items. They both have around 90% gold efficiency without their passive. Infinity goes to a little over 100%, and largely requires other crit items to make it worth it. Guinsoos however, goes to 150% at max stacks, and that doesn't even consider doubling on hits. I strongly disagree that infinity has way more benefit. On champions that can use all of Guinsoo's stats, it is a far superior item. Compare Varus with rageblade first vs Varus with infinity in a straight up fight. Guinsoo withs with health to spare unless RNG really, really likes infinity varus.

Leaf of the lakeMar 26, 20171 votes

Do you really want to enter the league of rageblade? Because the changes you're proposing would do exactly that.

The item is already borderline OP, with bork+rageblade being the optimal first two damage items for almost any auto-attack-based champion, outdamaging crit builds until near full build (4+ items). Most champs have to get rageblade second, since they don't have any innate on-hits, but anyone that does have innate on-hit can legitimately rush it and powerspike harder than any other single item.

DremiistMar 28, 20171 votes

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Do you really want to enter the league of rageblade? Because the changes you're proposing would do exactly that.

The item is already borderline OP, with bork+rageblade being the optimal first two damage items for almost any auto-attack-based champion, outdamaging crit builds until near full build (4+ items). Most champs have to get rageblade second, since they don't have any innate on-hits, but anyone that does have innate on-hit can legitimately rush it and powerspike harder than any other single item.

not unless they nerf rageblade, the phantom hit is enough as it is and liked it pre season 5 and season 6 then remade into guinsoo. phantom hit is what i want. but i have to purchase guinsoo and it's very expensive compared to ~~sated devourer~~ or madred

Leaf of the lakeMar 28, 20171 votes

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not unless they nerf rageblade, the phantom hit is enough as it is and liked it pre season 5 and season 6 then remade into guinsoo. phantom hit is what i want. but i have to purchase guinsoo and it's very expensive compared to ~~sated devourer~~ or madred

The easier you make it to get access to phantom hit, the harder the abusers will abuse it. It doesn't matter if you nerf the other stats on it since that's not what they're buying it for in the first place.