NOW THAT HECARIM DEALT FULL DAMAGE TO MONSTER

It's already a skin they might as well do it.

I'm pretty sure Riot would not be afraid of a Rumble in the jungle.

It definitely makes a lot of sense for Rumble to be able to deal full damage on monsters with his Q, and would help bump up the number of viable AP junglers, which is significant because there are not a lot of AP junglers that are viable right now.

Rumble in the jungle actually works xD ive tried it

i think it would make rumble too strong, since i play a lot of rumble jungle i understand why there is a cap

I think "unlocking" Garen jungle should be ok

But Rumble could be broken I think. Rumble Q has insane AoE damage over time. Ganks would be better than a Garen's would

Garen doesn't jungle as well though, and the mana cost was a nerf to lane Hecarim w/ the jungle monster dmg being increased so mana wasn't as big a nerf to jungle pony as it was to lane pony. Since jungle Garen isn't nearly as strong compared to lane Garen as the same comparison between Hecarim, jungle Garen would be fine w/out having any nerfs to compensate for this buff.

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NO. GAREN JUNGLE IS ALREADY A THING! NO NEED TO BUFF IT!

1. No it's not, 95% of his games is him top lane with the other 5% being split between Mid/Jungle/Bot
2. You can't buff his jungle that way since his E was already buffed in the jungle ages ago and yet only like 3 people even jungle him

And of course for those snowball games where you get ahead, IE is always the best option on Garen, especially since he gets so tanky without having to build pure tank.

His silence is far, far, far from oppressive.

Chogath has an aoe silence and no one complains... and his ult is much stronger than garen's. And an Aoe knockup( yasuo cho ftw)

Renekton jungle already works quite well, and has good clear with decent ganks if he lands Slice on either champs or minions. (Cinderhulk and Black Cleaver are your friends, with full tank itemization otherwise.)

To pull it off, what you want to do is start W, and do Krugs as your first camp regardless of which side you're on. (If you can't get a leash, that's okay, because Renekton has amazing synergy with the Heavy Hands smite buff, as explained below.) After Krugs, clear Raptors before doing your red buff, as this will give your smite time to recharge, allowing you to smite the buff for health back while still utilizing the Heavy Hands buff to clear it.

After this, you should have plenty of health to gank mid (tell your mid laner not to push prior to this) and hopefully force a flash, or, if you're really lucky, pick up first blood for your team and snowball your mid lane.

** Starting Krugs, And Why You Should**

As Renekton jungle, starting Krugs regardless of your team's side is the best option, because he can clear the camp better than anyone else in the game, due to his kit's affinity with the Heavy Hands buff offered by smiting the larger of the two-monster camp.

(Simply put, Renekton's W allows him to use the stun debuff on monsters far more creatively and usefully than any other jungler, and here's HOW.)

By smiting the Big Krug as it spawns, you will immediately gain the Heavy Hands buff, and you can autoattack the big one to stun it and prevent some early damage. After stunning it, you'll want to autoattack once more (while it's stunned), then use your W to restun it. This will advance you to three stacks on Heavy Hands, and negate a lot of damage that other junglers take from the camp due to not having this option.

At this point, if you had a halfway-decent leash, the Big Krug will be rather low, and it might be tempting to just finish it off (and that's perfectly fine, go right ahead. ^.^) HOWEVER, make sure to proc the Heavy Hands stun on the Small Krug this time, as using it the low health BIg Krug is a waste, since it will be dead shortly.

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realized my mistake a bit late now i can't change the title name, why won't they allow it...