They nerfed Xin Zhao and Shyvana Meanwhile Master Yi is Backdooring Baron.

Dremiist·Jul 10, 2015·46 votes·3,381 views

Free my homie Shyvana

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I is IlliterateJul 10, 201521 votes

Yi is definitely not as strong as Shyvana with Sated Devourer. Shyv can still farm more quickly than him, can be way more tanky than him, can use her ult to escape over walls, and seems to be able to hit a power spike earlier from what I've seen. (Due to farming and the other items she gets). Yi still relies on snowballing.

SaiannaJul 10, 20154 votes

Shyvana [...] can use her ult to escape over walls

Yi doesn't have to. He kills.

Imo comparing who'd do better SHyv or Yi, results are kind of obvious. Yi uses AA against enemy champions FAR more often than Shyvana.

Shyvana is kind of toothless tank, bark with no bite.

DremiistJul 10, 20154 votes

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Yi is definitely not as strong as Shyvana with Sated Devourer. Shyv can still farm more quickly than him, can be way more tanky than him, can use her ult to escape over walls, and seems to be able to hit a power spike earlier from what I've seen. (Due to farming and the other items she gets). Yi still relies on snowballing.

Yi can build tanky , Yi Q gap on people his W make him unkillable he can refresh his ability instantly. and his Q clear jungle in a matter of seconds. why would Shyvana use her ult to escape what! the!...heck. Yi relying on snowballing do you mean shaco lee sin ?

SammystormJul 11, 20152 votes

Yi is also superbly squishy. Yi struggles against a coordinated team. He dominates uncoordinated teams.

Shyv has the potentially to dominate both.

I is IlliterateJul 11, 20151 votes

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Yi is also superbly squishy. Yi struggles against a coordinated team. He dominates uncoordinated teams.

Shyv has the potentially to dominate both.

Exactly. Yi is only OP if the other team doesn't have a way of stopping him from running freely (hence, get a nautilus support).

SociopathFriendJul 11, 20152 votes

MasterYi Got my Devourer Sated, time to Penta. (Pops highlander, runs at enemy team only to find jungle Nautilus in the bush before reaching them) Aren't you cute? WHACK

Maybe it was their team, but I still think the Tank meta holds strong. So long as Yi doesn't snowball super hard- at the end of the day he's still a Yi http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1882981184/44047401?tab=stats

masterdragon481Jul 10, 20152 votes

Master Yi trades off tankiness for damage, so he is actually far more powerful than Shyvana late game. Shyvana is a melee, no reliant gap closer, CC'less tank; she fills a role similar to Trundle and Darius, but even more pronounced due to her complete lack of CC.

Shyvana's insane damage is dependent on her landing a skill shot; if this is blocked, dodged, or removed (hi QSS), her damage is fairly ignorable. That isn't to say that she is going to deal no damage, but removing the 2.5% max health on hit would do a whole lot.

Furthermore, Yi has more tools at his disposal to stay glued to opponents; his Q is on a much shorter cool down that shyvana's ultimate, and can't be interrupted by anything (dragon's decent getting stopped by flay is one of the saddest things in existance). In addition to this, he has immunity to slows (movement speed and attack speed) as well as ability resets. And last but not least, lets not ignore the synergy devourer has with his passive and the true damage he has.

Yi is definitely stronger than Shyvana currently.

About the ONLY thing I could see changing on shyvana at the moment is a nerf to her burnout MOVESPEED buff. Because of the changes to slows and the power black cleaver gives her, she may be able to stick to targets too well. Being kitable should be one of the things that shyvana is weak against; making that weakness more clear should be the way to go (if she needs a nerf at all). I could also understand a Devourer nerf; perhaps it is too easy to stack it.

Champion SkinJul 11, 20151 votes

Yeah Yi is generally stronger However he is more vulnerable to burst and CC because of how squishy he is (of course he can deal with it somewhat by using his Q to avoid CC and W to survive burst)

(While yes Shyvanna is also vulnerable to CC she can absorb more CC and damage before going down and thus being a more useful CC sponge than Yi)

masterdragon481Jul 12, 20151 votes

I will agree to that, but in my opinion, that is one of the acceptable tradeoffs that exist in league of legends; Yi trades off the ability to tank damage and CC sponge in return for having the highest dps among even sated devourer users.

Either way, the original poster here was stating that shyvana was more ridiculous than Yi with sated. That simply isn't true.

That being said, I think sated is a tad too easy to get.

The Bard DogJul 11, 20151 votes

i just demolished a yi by taking poachers smite and robbing him of his jungle mobs. i was at 30 stacks at 18 minutes while he was at 4. shyvana is MUCH better. not to mention having a bork double proc along with shyvana's e+q combo is WAY stronger than anything yi could ever do.

Wiggle Dat ButtJul 10, 20154 votes

Shyvana is strong as fk, what you talking about? She is more truly outrageous than taric is now with sated devourer. Sad post.

MissMikasaJul 10, 20152 votes

They nerfed her because they thought she would be too strong with the sated devourer, and didn't even think about how Yi would run off with it.

BluePolarizerJul 10, 20159 votes

Shyvana with Sated Devourer and Q deals 4 on-hits with Q/auto alone.

That is 32% current HP with BoRK + 240 magic damage + 10% max HP from E + 100% burnout damage if active. In 0.5 seconds for auto-Q reset.

DremiistJul 10, 20153 votes

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Shyvana with Sated Devourer and Q deals 4 on-hits with Q/auto alone.

That is 32% current HP with BoRK + 240 magic damage + 10% max HP from E + 100% burnout damage if active. In 0.5 seconds for auto-Q reset.

fixed.

Shyvana with Sated Devourer and Q deals 3 on-hits with Q/auto alone.

That is 24% current HP with BoRK + 240 magic damage + 7.5% max HP from E.

riot made sure you can't double proc devourer with ability like shyvana Q or Master Yi Passive.

RIP Tahm KenchJul 10, 20151 votes

I think what he mean was that if you AA Q AA for the auto attack reset that's 3 normal hits plus the devourer hit.

DremiistJul 10, 20151 votes

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I think what he mean was that if you AA Q AA for the auto attack reset that's 3 normal hits plus the devourer hit.

then that would be 7 proc so no

LankPantsJul 11, 20151 votes

riot made sure you can't double proc devourer with ability like shyvana Q or Master Yi Passive.

I'm fairly sure they made her Q only grant one stack of devourer, it's still an auto attack they just recoded it so that it doesn't act as two.

I'm fairly sure if you auto-q reset it would proc on-hits 4 times. If it didn't it would cause a situation where if you activated Q then walked up and autoed with no reset it wouldn't count as an auto attack for devourer at all.

The correct numbers are 28.3% current HP (because BotRK stacks multiplicatively with itself) + 240 + 10% Max HP + 240 + (60% AD).

DremiistJul 10, 20151 votes

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They nerfed her because they thought she would be too strong with the sated devourer, and didn't even think about how Yi would run off with it.

EXACTLYYYY

NemeBroJul 11, 20153 votes

Shyvana was one of, if not the best jungler even before Sated Devourer dropped. Hence the nerf.

Also, top lane Yorick can solo Baron with like three items. Hail to the King baby.

LuggJul 11, 20153 votes

At the moment, Master Yi is more OP than Warwick was at the start of the season. Devourer literally needs hotfixed or disabled right now.

KONO RUBICK DAJul 10, 20152 votes

yi's Q passive doesn't work with double strike or devourer (secret nerf) also yi compared to those champions can be bursted down

SammystormJul 11, 20151 votes

Yi's q passive does work with double strike but not with devourer.

Champion SkinJul 11, 20151 votes

Yi does have some burst protection in his W

JustMyBassCannonJul 10, 20151 votes

Dude, I play Shyvana, and I knew they were going to nerf Burnout's damage once they gave it that on-hit effect.

IcyPepperJul 10, 20155 votes

I'm still wondering why they hit the base damage instead of the increased damage to monsters.

Hurt her jungle clear, not her laning. :/ Lane SHyvanna is already struggling as is..

Trias000Jul 10, 20154 votes

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I'm still wondering why they hit the base damage instead of the increased damage to monsters.

Hi, I'm from Riot. We have no idea what we're doing.

JustMyBassCannonJul 11, 20152 votes

Funny as it is, it's easier to pretend Riot doesn't know what they're doing, rather than try to figure it out. Believe me, as a person who tends to find the justification, it's much easier to play ignorant.

JustMyBassCannonJul 11, 20152 votes

The nerf to her clear would not have done anything to help her laning, and it would have done far more damage to her jungle. I'd rather have a slightly toned down late-game than a slower early-game with Shyvana.

PotatoRekerJul 10, 20151 votes

Didn't they revert that nerf?

DremiistJul 10, 20151 votes

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Didn't they revert that nerf?

nah

WTBeGirl100EUhrJul 11, 20151 votes

They reverted the Xin nerf, but not Shyvana.

PiRoScOuTJul 10, 20151 votes

well Aatrox can backdoor baron around 20 minutes, with a small bit of help.

JofeyyJul 10, 20151 votes

Upvote for Shyvana <3

Although i feel im like the only one that prefers tri-tank shyvana instead of devourer.

Shyvana item 3709 item 3078 item 3111 item 3083 item 3075 item 3102

The enemies kill themselves.

That being said both work fine.

Joe DreddJul 10, 20151 votes

my lambo way cuter

Monsta MooJul 11, 20151 votes

Agreed!

AltonaJul 11, 20151 votes

item 3151

What Is SmiteJul 11, 20151 votes

Meet Aatrox: The Best of 3 worlds (Xin Heal on-hit, Shyvana tankyness, Yi Damage Capacity)

The LovelessJul 11, 20151 votes

I know Aatrox gets a revive, but what makes him tanky without the proper items, like Shyvana? He can still be instagibbed like a carry.

ArkenStormJul 11, 20151 votes

item 3153 item 3065 item 3143 item 3074 item 3046 and item 3006 / item 3111 / item 3047 / item 3172

Also PD can be switched out for bloodthirster if you have runes/the team for it, or if you run zerk Greaves. JG aatrox take devourer instead of PD

The LovelessJul 11, 20151 votes

I said without items, what makes Aatrox tanky? Shyvana gets bonus armor and MR. Aatrox gets?

ArkenStormJul 12, 20151 votes

innate lifesteal, a revive passive? without items shyvana really isnt tanky either. I don't see your point.

The LovelessJul 12, 20151 votes

Thing is, Shyvana's resistances enables her to live longer from a barrage of attacks, whereas Aatrox can be 100-0'd as if he were an adc. He is not a tank, just like Tryndamere and Xin's healing do not make them tanks.

Hard PenetratorJul 11, 20152 votes

The dream is you stand tanking 4 ppl while constantly healing yourself for a stupid amounts of hp waiting till your team clean everything up and going out with 3 kills while healing yourself to full on raptors.

The reality is 18/20 times you get cced/morrello/ignited your passive gets proc'd, then you die again and you are one sad darkin.

What Is SmiteJul 11, 20151 votes

If tanking 4 people is the Dream then I have seen the Promised Land

Zair UmbrasJul 11, 20151 votes

Honestly, as a near full build Darius going against a Master Yi who had Sated, BotRK, Hydra, IE, and a Hexdrinker while I had Thornmail, Cleaver, Iceborn, Tiamat, and Randuin's... He was out sustaining me. I know I didn't have any sustain, but I had over 3k health, about 270 armor, and over 200 AD. Normally, Thornmail kills Yi's unless they have a LW. This Yi had no LW and he was out sustaining my damage and Thornmail's damage with only 22% life steal when most of his damage wasn't even coming from the base AA's, most of it was from his E since I also had about 100 MR (Base 50ish, Merc Treads for 25 and 27 from scaling glyphs), so the devourer wasn't actually doing much.

I could understand some one like Aatrox out healing me since his ability is a proc, not based on his damage, but Yi is just a little insane right now with Sated.