Instead of nerfing Jhin just nerf lethality

Swarovsko·Feb 15, 2017·20 votes·2,769 views

Wtf was wrong with Jhin before you overbuffed lethality? Nothing, so just nerf lethality and leave Jhin the way he is.

69 Comments

oSEXYPLATYPUSoFeb 15, 201711 votes

lol he still needs nerfs

SwarovskoFeb 15, 20176 votes

Why? I played with and against lots of Jhins and honestly he has never annoyed me ( Caitlyn ), never left me speechless because of his high damage ( Draven ) and he was never uncatchable ( Kalista / Caitlyn ). Not to mention the fact that he requires aim because hitting skillshots with him is not as easy as landing a Lux's E.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoFeb 15, 20176 votes

he has been above at or above 51% win rate since patch 6.23

regardless if he has crit build, lethality build or the old armor pen build prior to lethatlity

meaning its not the build,items its the champ

MissingKayoFeb 15, 20176 votes

Yes because he's been good. Not overpowered. That's a huge difference.

Other ADCs being complete garbage doesn't make him broken. It makes them garbage. They need buffs, not Jhin needing nerfs.

WoonStruckFeb 16, 20172 votes

You don't know how balance works, do you?

ADCs feel weak because the game's balance is fucked up right now. ADCs are in an alright spot, but everything else makes the experience as them frustrating.

Everything else needs nerfs; damage is far too high across the board right now, which is why most ADCs are not functioning reliably. The fact that Jhin does function reliably right now says loads about how overpowered he is.

If anything, Jhin and Cait probably need nerfs after everything else is put back in line. If Riot ever gets around to that, that is.

SwarovskoFeb 15, 20175 votes

Wtf is wrong with 51% win rate? It's not even 53% win rate c'mon.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoFeb 15, 20175 votes

yet if vayne gets any where near a 50% win rate the sheep goes ape shit saying she needs to be deleted from the game

Lock OnFeb 16, 20171 votes

Vayne could use some increases to her mana cost on her Q to help curb her ridiculously low-CDR mobility on top of her true damage passive, which spikes the second she hits 6 or buys a zeal item. She is also difficult to punish considering how powerful the sustain off Warlords is atm.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoFeb 16, 20171 votes

you dont 1 vs 1 vayne ... you punish her in team fights she has short range and has to be very very good at positioning to be a threat

Pathfinder YasuoFeb 16, 20171 votes

Which is every single game in plat+

her in teamfights is retarded, may as well make her Q make her untargetable like Fizz, atleast then you could prep an attack.

TS MediaFeb 16, 20172 votes

Mana costs only exist in laning phase. Why add more mana cost when it takes a chunk of mana for her to use her Q in lane now?

THE RlVER KlNGFeb 16, 20174 votes

He has a 35% playrate and has been the #1 ADC practically since release......

oSEXYPLATYPUSoFeb 16, 20174 votes

hey but if you said cait is op and broken and unfair to play against you have more upvotes then anyone

dont touch jihn lol

RexSaurFeb 16, 20174 votes

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hey but if you said cait is op and broken and unfair to play against you have more upvotes then anyone

dont touch jihn lol

Its funny because jhin is miles stronger than caitlyn atm.

THE RlVER KlNGFeb 16, 20173 votes

It's because Jhin is flashier and the people who play him feel a sense of entitlement to receive attention and treatment because of how big the playerbase is. Cait is more of a FoTM champion, Jhin is a real and expansive playerbase because people like to have a huge advantage from both range and up close. Its the Ahri Effect.

SkorchFeb 16, 20172 votes

I dont seek to be entilted because of his playerbase.

I AM ENTITLED BECAUSE I AM MAKING ART

MissingKayoFeb 15, 20173 votes

No he doesn't lmao Learn to play against him.

ForgiveColourFeb 15, 20178 votes

Jhin is s tier before lethality buff bud

Learn to play league

MissingKayoFeb 15, 20174 votes

Yes he's one of the best ADCs. Learn to read bud.

Being good isn't being broken.

ForgiveColourFeb 16, 20175 votes

Lol do you also happen to main ahri and janna? LUL

MissingKayoFeb 16, 20172 votes

oSEXYPLATYPUSoFeb 15, 20175 votes

i have no issues playing against him... but for the range and damage he puts out and that stupid fukin ult that should be consider a global

he is basically an ad version of Xerath

MissingKayoFeb 15, 20174 votes

So then dodge the shots.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoFeb 15, 20176 votes

but if a champ is at #1 or #2 ever patch regardless of meta or items in game then that champ seems be slightly over tuned

i didnt say broken

MissingKayoFeb 15, 20173 votes

But that's because almost every single other ADC is garbage.

He could use slight number tunings, but nothing big at all.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoFeb 15, 20175 votes

and that is all i said... that he could use a nerf

SkorchFeb 16, 20172 votes

Forgive the boy (while i agree jhin probably doesnt need tunings at all outside of lethality nerfs) On the boards usually Nerf = Removed from the game.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoFeb 16, 20172 votes

its ok... im waiting for the cait has no counter play and her traps are broken arguments

SkorchFeb 16, 20172 votes

I am a beleiver that no champion has 0 counterplay. Just the players inability to cope with there kit.

Pathfinder YasuoFeb 16, 20172 votes

Pros can't dodge every single skillshot

Jhin hitting a single shot slows for 90%

MissingKayoFeb 16, 20171 votes

For 0.5 seconds.

Pathfinder YasuoFeb 16, 20172 votes

Games have been decided over less than .5 seconds

you can't miss the next 3 shots if you hit any because they can't fucking move.

MissingKayoFeb 16, 20171 votes

Okay, so what? Those are specific, rare, situational instances in a certain teamfight.

He can't even fire the second shot before the slow ends.

SalronFeb 16, 20178 votes

Jhin has been S tier since 1 patch after his release "It's lethality that's the issue"

LOL

MissingKayoFeb 16, 20173 votes

He wasn't broken until the Lethality buff. That's the difference.

Almost every other ADC being garbage except a few doesn't make him broken.

Akali is SO HOTFeb 15, 20177 votes

Jhin was op before lethality buffs

THE RlVER KlNGFeb 16, 20173 votes

Dont even bother, this thread is where Jhin mains will start to build their circlejerk. I'm in agreement with you this time around.

SarcasticShepardFeb 16, 20175 votes

Unlike a lot of the ADCs I deal with, Jhin has counterplay, rather than, say, Ashe, Ez, MF or Varus. If you think he's broke, you really aren't that good at figuring out windows of power.

THE RlVER KlNGFeb 16, 20173 votes

If you think he's balanced, you've never played against him.

Obnoxious poke, two forms of long-range CC, can safely win a teamfight from two screens away and his siege is second only to Caitlyn and Ezreal. Guaranteed crits and two executes, free kiting tools built into his passive when he is designed to be a sniper (and should be vulnerable up close), and just badly designed all around. No champion should have 800 AD, no matter their attack speed. He even as traps to keep him safe in the lane phase and there is no support he doesn't synergize with thanks to his W. Is strong in both pen and crit metas and has never been a subpar pick. For months he has been the #1 ADC, even when Vayne and Cait were blatantly broken.

By all means though, 52% winrate with a 35% playrate is balanced

oSEXYPLATYPUSoFeb 16, 20173 votes

but you say ashe ez or mf and varus has no counter play?

LMAO

really ok

Sagan ForeverFeb 16, 20172 votes

Ashe no counterplay? Varus no counterplay? Varus had been unviable as an adc for seasons because there was too much counterplay. Ashe has the if you get close to her then she is dead, plus she is purely dps and unable to crit her first attack on a target. If you think varus and Ashe have no counterplay, but jhin does...... I am truly confused.

Twitch ChatFeb 15, 20175 votes

Jhin and varus are both going to need nerfs on top of the lethality changes.

JofeyyFeb 16, 20174 votes

Oh a viable adc in 2017. Cant have that now... - Rito

THE RlVER KlNGFeb 16, 20174 votes

Jhin has been the #1 ADC in the game for months now....large winrates on a massive pickrate, strong in both pen AND crit metas.....designed to be a long ranged sniper but also jam packed with ways to kite and screw over melees.......

Don't even try it bud

SwarovskoFeb 16, 20173 votes

He's #1 just because other adcs are complete garbage and the rest of them aren't played bot lane. "Strong" doesn't mean broken, he's broken COMPARED to garbage like Tristana Kalista and others.

THE RlVER KlNGFeb 16, 20172 votes

So you're saying every bot lane ADC in the game except Jhin is garbage and has been as long as he has been released

laughs in Caitlyn, MF, Ezreal, Draven, and Twitch

DanjengFeb 16, 20172 votes

I'm going to say what a lot of us are thinking. Jhin is damn strong. He's been top tier since release, and has never fallen out of meta.

Now, I am not saying that Jhin is broken. A broken champion has a fundamental issue with their kit. Jhin, on the other hand, has a lovely kit and his theme is simply divine. In fact, I think Jhin is very well designed, one of the best designed champions even. Even when ahead, playing against Jhin isn't too oppressive because he has clear counterplay.

But that does not excuse the fact that Jhin has been consistently one of the best ADC's in the game for over a year. And besides, those nerfs are miniscule. Slow duration on ult down from .75 to .5. I hardly think that will make Jhin unplayable.

I find that a person's main champion may reveal a bit about their personality. Perhaps the Jhin's are a bit melodramatic. (I'm joking, darling)

Irelia BotFeb 16, 20173 votes

Or are you?

But the slow on his ult kinda seems out of place or at least too strong/long on live. It fundamentally a more reliable Xerath ult and gets a slow on top of it.