Morgana E

AetherKingdom·Dec 5, 2014·2 votes·604 views

Why isn't it a banshee's veil? One spell and done. edit: the amount of spells blocked could scale to 2-3

18 Comments

SmokingPuffinDec 5, 20142 votes

If it's a Banshee's Veil, why would she rank it up?

Currently, there's a tradeoff between being able to do more damage or being able to block more spells. That's a nice property to have in a kit.

AetherKingdomDec 5, 20141 votes

She could have a lower cooldown with rank/ Have It block 1/2 spells based on rank. I think that would provide more counterplay for AD champions ( where it's just lol you cant cc me for 5 seconds ) and make it counter mages more (which I assume it's supposed to do) as a single mage spell can break the shield anyways late game.

SmokingPuffinDec 5, 20141 votes

She could have a lower cooldown with rank

Doesn't sound good. We don't ever want to get to the point where Morgana gets two black shields per teamfight.

Have It block 1/2 spells based on rank.

Maybe interesting. Maybe clunky. Not clear this is better than the current damage-based mechanic. If it goes like 1/1/2/2/2, you leave it at rank 3. If it goes like 1/1/2/2/3, that spell just got hella buffed and I'm pretty scared.

make it counter mages more (which I assume it's supposed to do)

It's not clear to me this is the intent. The mechanic is really good at denying CC and forcing mages to cast spells at the shielded target. Kind of a soft taunt effect.

AetherKingdomDec 5, 20141 votes

I know it's not the best design, but in no way is the current design good either imo.

It's not clear to me this is the intent. The mechanic is really good at denying CC and forcing mages to cast spells at the shielded target. Kind of a soft taunt effect.

That's my main problem with it. Only mages can reliably break the shield. With the Banshee version well timed shields can still block hard CC for the team mate of your choice and more than mages and remove the shield.

KuddIesDec 5, 20142 votes

because it isnt banshees veil?

AetherKingdomDec 5, 20141 votes

But the gameplay for it would be so much better if it was.

Skia AsteriDec 5, 20142 votes

No.

Kuroi86Dec 5, 20142 votes

Why? It does what it's supposed to do. It blocks magic damage and CC.

AetherKingdomDec 5, 20141 votes

Because it's design is stupid. Black Shield is an anti mage spell but mages are the only ones who can combat it.

Kuroi86Dec 5, 20142 votes

Actually anyone that deals physical damage can negate it.
True damage too.

AetherKingdomDec 5, 20141 votes

I'm talking about the CC portion. 5 seconds guaranteed no cc for any non mage.

Kuroi86Dec 5, 20142 votes

Yeah, it's CC counter play. The counter play to Black Shield being physical or true damage, to straight up ignore it. If you know you're against Morg but are still trying to rely on CC then you're being silly.

BeatzBoyFTWDec 5, 20141 votes

So technically, another Sivir's E, only this time, it can now be placed on ally champs.

AetherKingdomDec 5, 20141 votes

Yes, except this one can block two spells and doesn't return mana.

HydingDec 5, 20141 votes

Or it might not fully stop even one spell. It is a trade off. With a Banshee's Veil type ability there is no reason to level it.

Also the protection against CC is a part of the spell too. It would be a shame to lose 5 seconds of CC protection to a 50 point spell. I have thrown Morgana's E to protect against a player using only physical attacks. I do that to protect against CC from abilities and items.

With a single (but certain) spell block I suppose lowering cost/cool down could be made a reason for leveling but it is then a very different spell and strategy and you would lose the protection against CC which is often the point of throwing it.

AetherKingdomDec 5, 20141 votes

Or it might not fully stop even one spell. It is a trade off. With a Banshee's Veil type ability there is no reason to level it.

How wouldn't it stop one spell? DoT abilities that are laid down Eg. Morg W, Singed Poison, Cass Miasma, don't pop banshee's veil. Basically any ability where you wouldn't be affected if the opponent missed initially wouldn't pop the shield.

Also the protection against CC is a part of the spell too. It would be a shame to lose 5 seconds of CC protection to a 50 point spell. I have thrown Morgana's E to protect against a player using only physical attacks. I do that to protect against CC from abilities and items.

Yes, but there's literally no counterplay to it, especially to non mages. Having as a Banshee's veil that can block 2 spells means that you actually have to think about when to shield and have fast reactions, not just throw it and have it for a guaranteed five seconds of CC to any non mage.

With a single (but certain) spell block I suppose lowering cost/cool down could be made a reason for leveling but it is then a very different spell and strategy and you would lose the protection against CC which is often the point of throwing it.

It could scale up to two spell blocks, but with good timing you'd be able to block the important CC.

Skia AsteriDec 5, 20141 votes

Die topic, die. Morgana has no reason to exist if she cannot give CC immunity, it is her one unique feature as a champion. Mages are already too similar.

AetherKingdomDec 5, 20141 votes

Please tell me what other mage would have a banshee's veil that they can place on an ally?