A SMALL change on Shaco that would make a difference for higher level plays.

Shac Norris··1 votes·294 views

When you use your ultimate while invisible, your clone's first basic attack should be a critical hit, or at the very least have the animation of a critical hit

Now let me explain the context behind this before i drown in downvotes. ^ I use my ultimate very often while i'm invisible, to surprise enemies, and make them think that my clone's actually me, but i still have a problem dealing with more experienced players (anyone who knows Shaco's abilities), those who actually pay attention to details can tell very quickly that it's my clone, simply by looking at the auto attack animation, making it very hard to outplay good players.

Now i don't know it would make the champion OP (for AD Shaco players), but it certainly would make the game more enjoyable for us few AP Shaco players.

I know that Riot probably doesn't care about minorities (look what happened to Dominion, the many AP variants on recent champion reworks and their complete refusal to fix FQC, DFT and TLD's bugs on Shaco), but let me know what you think, and if you find that my proposed change would make him too powerful, please propose a variant to this change that YOU think would be appropriate.

Thank you for reading.

Shac Norris, AP Shaco main

3 Comments

SwiftKitten881 votes

no.. shako is already hard enough to counterplay. we don't need to make it any harder, you already got a huge buff withitem 3147 procing twice with your clone. its near impossible to keep track of shako unless your EVERY member of you team lays down a pink ward.

im not saying its impossible to counterplay shako.. but it is certainly MUCH harder to counterplay him than most other champs. we dont need to make it any harder than it already is. your invisible.. you have a clone when your not invisible you can teleport without flash. do we really need to make it IMPOSSIBLE to try to find the real one?

Shac Norris1 votes

Then trade the second duskblade proc with the crit?

Shaco's clone have the same %crit as you do, so you can actually crit with your clone already, heck, you could get 100% crit and just melt down carries only with your clone's crits.

Bro, do you even know anything about Shaco? You can use your ultimate while invisible, making it seem like you just came out of invisibility.

You can EASILY keep track of Shaco by looking at the damage he deals, the real Shaco deals 25% more damage than the clone, making it very clear who is who, then again, you need to use your brain to notice that.

You can actually get a free trinket that will last 10 seconds upon activation, and that will tell you exactly where Shaco is when invisible, because you know when he uses his Q, since you can see it even in the fog of war.

Buying a pink ward is basic understanding of the game, everyone at some point in the game should buy 1 and place it, and only 1 of you keep one on you at all times, for when you suspect Shaco is near.

This change i'm proposing is only fair when you consider all these points.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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Then trade the second duskblade proc with the crit?

Shaco's clone have the same %crit as you do, so you can actually crit with your clone already, heck, you could get 100% crit and just melt down carries only with your clone's crits.

Bro, do you even know anything about Shaco? You can use your ultimate while invisible, making it seem like you just came out of invisibility.

You can EASILY keep track of Shaco by looking at the damage he deals, the real Shaco deals 25% more damage than the clone, making it very clear who is who, then again, you need to use your brain to notice that.

You can actually get a free trinket that will last 10 seconds upon activation, and that will tell you exactly where Shaco is when invisible, because you know when he uses his Q, since you can see it even in the fog of war.

Buying a pink ward is basic understanding of the game, everyone at some point in the game should buy 1 and place it, and only 1 of you keep one on you at all times, for when you suspect Shaco is near.

This change i'm proposing is only fair when you consider all these points.

TLDR: scroll down to the last paragraph

truth be told i don't know much about shako, what i do know is that i can play bot lane as support i can have my ADC lay a pink ward in the tri bush i can lay a pink ward in the river bush and i can have scuttle vision and green wards in both bot lane bushes... and shako can still gank me gank and appear 2 feet from me whether ever being visible or on the minimap. i HAVE MAP AWARENESS, I'm warding i HAVE a red trinket. but it donest matter when shako can gank you as is you had zero vision.. so shako ganks you out of nowhere even though you properly warded. lets just say i somewho manage to kill either the ADc and support in that 2v3 it become as 2v2.. lets same somhow i our team is freaking amazing and we kill thier adc ANd thier support in a 3v2.. well shako just fucking turns invisble and gets away the same way he came in.. its almost impossible to kill a good shako. and it becomes impossible if he get any sort of lead

i dont have a problem with shakos damage i dont have an issue with his fear i dont have a problem that he can leashless jugnle.

what i have problem with i that he can gank me with zero warning when i have warded properly. and it gets worse lat game where we all have 6 items and we don't HAVE spots for pink wards anymore.. there isn't a pink ward trinket you know.. sure you can use your sweeper to find him but that only good if you already know he is in the area.. its not like its up permanently or you can cast it when you expect him to gank.

i have a pink ward i have a red trinket and i have a sightstone and 3 green wards down in the proper location... shako should NOT be able to gank me without giving me SOME sort of heads up.. if anything shako needs to give an exclamation point like rengar and Evelyn do at last that would give you a moment to activate your trinket, and even think your trinket has a whole hell of a longer cooldown that his invisibility does and all he would have to do would be wait 15 or so more second before ganking you again.

im not a shako player i dont know HOW a shako player can gank me when im properly warded.. i dont know how long the stealth lasts. all i know is i can ward properly and get shako ganked with absolutely ZERO warning.

and on top of that he is probably THE hardest champion to catch in a chase for the same reason.. and your like.. lets make him even HARDER to find? i say NO!!! how about we don't...

shako has a fear.. a clone... invisibility and a build in flash... he is already on the verge of being too strong at the moment and he is certainly well past the point of being a royal pain to have to face, people say zed is toxic.. shako's entire purpose and design is to be toxic, to juke, to aggravate players.. he a freaking clown who weilding a dagger who propably escaped from an insane asylum. right out of some childs nightmares.. and with all that is is ALMOST balanced.

TLDR: if you wanted to buff his defenses.. if you wanted to buff he damage i might disagree but i can understand those arn't his best areas.. what i will NOT in any way support in anything that makes him MORE toxic to play against by making him harder to find. he is THE hardest champ in the game to find... Number 1, THE VERY HARDEST. we are NOT going to make it harder to find him

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