QoL change for Katarina and Ziggs, can we please have indicators for bounces?

TeCoolMage·Jan 1, 2017·32 votes·1,707 views

Can Zigg's Q show us where each bounce can land on the range indicator assuming it's not stopped by an enemy or terrain?

And Katarina's Q tooltip states that the dagger lands 350 units away from where the target was hit, so why can't we have an indicator showing us where it will land if they stand still (unless they flash, use mobility or have high MS it'll be roughly the same place in practice)

Note: NOT SAYING IT SHOULD SHOW THE ENEMY TEAM AFTER YOU CAST

I'm talking about range indicators without quick cast or with quick cast + indicators, it goes a long way to help newer players and some players like to turn off smart cast for certain abilities

24 Comments

Suspicious XebraJan 1, 20172 votes

I got used to learning where Katarina 's Q would land after playing 10 or so games with her. Honestly I feel like an indicator would be more intrusive that it would be worth.

As for Ziggs I think they should add an indicator (similar to Heimerdinger 's Ulted E's indicator) for his Q. It can be a tad annoying to have the dumb bomb bounce over the head of the heretic with no hp that you are trying to smite. While I have played a decent amount of Ziggs, I have a harder time getting the feel of the bouncing mechanic.

TeCoolMageJan 1, 20171 votes

I'm pretty sure Katarina's Q, and all point and click abilities, should be quick casted once you get a feel for any mechanic that comes afterwards though :l

Also, lots of abilities like Brand ult have range indicators that go under the assumption the target is still in the same spot after the projectile finishes travelling. I don't see how a small circle would cause any problems, some champions with point and click knockbacks like singed have arrows showing how far they're knocked backwards

zrWQMdGHtYJan 1, 20171 votes

Never had quick cast on KAtarina's skills, even the old kit. Could do my combo in 0.3 to 0.5 seconds anyway. IDK what you talking about.

Bard Blyat BardJan 1, 20172 votes

Yes, and maybe just prevent throwing the bomb when nobody is in line to prevent people from getting used to a characters abilities. What is wrong with you guys? Ziggs' bombs bounce, and that's a part of it. We have already Fizz ultimates that magically clutch to missed enemies and hitboxes ridiculously large, now you want even this to be dumbed down!?

If so, I want a Q indicator, that shows me who of the enemies are getting stunned next time as Bard.

LoL is already dumbed down to the limit, do not make it even worse.

TeCoolMageJan 1, 20171 votes

Considering the fact Bard's portal gives a pretty clear indicator I don't see why not other than because a lot of skillshots that go in a line tend to have static images.

Also, Fizz's ult is a completely different story. That lies in counterplay. How the hell does an effect completely based on the player's experience give counterplay to the enemy other than, "oh just hope they're bad, if they're good there's nothing you can do"

If you want something that isn't 'dumbed down', go play HoN or Dota 1, trust me you'll love it. Especially the basic abilities that make the player's enemy team invincible and things that do damage to you without any noticeable indicators. I didn't think there was an audience that enjoyed feeling as if they were playing against the game rather than the enemy team in a Moba, but I guess I was proven wrong

zrWQMdGHtYJan 1, 20171 votes

What? There's no indicator on Kat's Q? My life is a lie. I tough I've seen one when I throw the Q... Q_Q

TeCoolMageJan 1, 20171 votes

I'm not sure actually, last time I played her was several days ago and my memory isn't that good.

I think there's a range indicator for how close enemies have to be for it to bounce, though. But not where the dagger is likely to land.

Suspicious XebraJan 1, 20171 votes

You see the range you can cast Q at, but not where the dagger lands afterward.

zrWQMdGHtYJan 1, 20171 votes

never noticed. never had issues with her spells, even with this lame kit.

PlanetWarwickJan 1, 20171 votes

Is this a qq thread

zrWQMdGHtYJan 1, 20171 votes

why you ask me? I didn't make it :x

It Hertz When IPJan 1, 20171 votes

Given that Heim's ult-powered grenade already has this, it kinda makes sense.

CatastropJan 1, 20171 votes

I can agree with Ziggs' but adding an indicator for Kat just destroys any semblance of skill needed for dagger placement.

TeCoolMageJan 1, 20171 votes

It doesn't, you still need to position yourself and predict the enemy's positioning

That's like saying Fiora's passive doesn't take any skill because it outright tells you where the vitals are rather than giving you some sort of hint instead.

AtracisJan 1, 20171 votes

Ziggs would be nice but are u bronze 5 or what? No one needs bounce indicator at katarina it is so clear that it falls behind the third enemy(champ or unit) that it hits

TeCoolMageJan 1, 20177 votes

it is so clear that it falls behind the third enemy(champ or unit) that it hits

LOL the irony

XeroKimoJan 1, 20172 votes

Psst he's wrong, it always falls behind 350 units of the initial target, though I'm not sure what happens if the initial target dies during the daggers flight cause I know some spells has different interactions when that happens, like master yi's Q if the initial target dies while he was in alpha, he returns to his initial posiiton

DauntJan 1, 20172 votes

it's actually kinda weird. If the target dies before the Q gets to it, it just disappears.

AtracisJan 1, 20171 votes

If it is like this,then i would like a system that shows me if the next hit will crit and a line indicator at yasuo`s tornado.

salty testiJan 1, 20171 votes

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AtracisJan 6, 20171 votes

IT lands behind the first enemy ONLY IF IT HITS ONE ENEMY.IF IT CAN HIT 3,IT LANDS BEHIND THE THIRD ENEMY,DO YOU EVEN PLAY KATA?

ZerenzaJan 1, 20171 votes

It always falls 350 units behind the first enemy you target with it, but some people don't get that it actually falls in the direction kat was facing when she threw it if she was facing where she threw it.

I'd much rather they fix it so it bounces towards low health target's cause sometimes i miss CS cause it didn't bounce how i wanted. But a good kat just get's used to where it lands, so there really is no need for an indicator i never even notice that there isn't one i just have it memorized lol