Bard literally uses all the runes being nerfed next patch and he's already only a niche pick at best...
Bards use electrocute, scorch, celerity and cheap shot... Like, is Bard going to get compensation buffs next patch or you just going to beat him with a bat and leave him to die?
Also Pantheon is going to get hit hard by these changes and I hardly think he deserved nerfs.
Help us.
Sirchachat34 votesThank god Bard is being nerfed. He is supposed to be a roaming support not a Burst Assassin with those outrageous early game meep attacks and Q's making Electrocute ridiculously easy to activate.
EasternBladeStar11 votesThis. Riot's rune rework and straight damage buffs to Bard lost his identity some time ago. Instead of being THE roamer support, he became an assassin - a role that is better filled by Pyke nowadays due to superior CC.
Velzard of Koz4 votesSomeone informed me once that Bard actually was supposed to be the original support assasin.
Tahminatrix 2 voteswhat about 
Boulderox14 votesi think i read that they are going to compensate champs that used them as a crutch, but weren't flat out busted, but they will probably compensate 
somehow, so prepare thyne anus
Oakleaf Ranger5 votesi think i read that they are going to compensate champs that used them as a crutch, but weren't flat out busted, but they will probably compensate
Last I checked Yasuo runs Conqueror and Resolve.
How exactly is he being nerfed by these changes?
Sounds like someone who doesn't know what their talking about.
Boulderox1 votes[{quoted}](name=Oakleaf Ranger,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=URyUyAiV,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-08-12T06:46:52.616+0000)
Last I checked Yasuo runs Conqueror and Resolve.
How exactly is he being nerfed by these changes?
Sounds like someone who doesn't know what their talking about.
it was a joke about the pbe buff to his ult that happened....
TasteMyPurple13 votesPoor bard'o
Crescent Dusk12 votesBard literally uses all the runes being nerfed next patch and he's already only a niche pick at best...
Bards use electrocute, scorch, celerity and cheap shot... Like, is Bard going to get compensation buffs next patch or you just going to beat him with a bat and leave him to die?
Also Pantheon is going to get hit hard by these changes and I hardly think he deserved nerfs.
Welcome to the life of Annie.
Garbage champ, still getting collateral nerfs from runes and mage mana changes.
MorgManBasher1 votes[{quoted}](name=Crescent Dusk,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=URyUyAiV,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-08-12T04:58:06.811+0000)
Welcome to the life of Annie.
Garbage champ, still getting collateral nerfs from runes and mage mana changes.
They already confirmed buffs for her tho
Crescent Dusk2 votesThey already confirmed buffs for her tho
Pfft an autoattack range buff is doing jackshit for the fact she has no wavepush worth a damn, gets pushed into turret by most meta laners and can't trade with them because her wavepushing tool also removes her stun which gives the opponent easy windows to trade with her on their own terms (so Annie can't ever engage on her own terms unless she holds off using spells which she can't because then she gets pushed into turret or fights with a minion disadvantage).
Nor does an autoattack range buff fix the fact her autoattacks do nothing in either TF or laning because they do no damage and you still have a mage with the same range of Vladimir and Swain but none of their bulkiness or survivability tools (her E is garbage since it often needs to be blown to even get to your stun), and even with armor built she's getting blown up in seconds by assassins unlike my Vladimir who laughs off any Zed or Talon that tries to jump me.
There's a reason why the most well-known Annie player, Annie Bot, can't even get out of Diamond at this moment. Annie is outranged, but when she gets to her short range she doesn't even have the damage to compensate for it.
I just tested my Ahri and her Charm+orb combo does more damage alone than an Annie Q+W while having more range, and I'm not even factoring in her W into it. With both Zyra and Brand I also do same or more burst and have way more range and wavepush to boot.
Annie is plain bad. Abusing her range was supposed to be her main weakness (she would traditionally be a counterpick to melee champs) but right now her damage has been decimated, and she has no survivability whatsoever to the point where I can pop a full rotation with ult stun and still die to a Zed or Yasuo because so much damage has been removed from her. Now it's not just Xerath or longer range mages who counter in lane; basically anyone in mid lane who doesn't have atrocious wavepush counters you because they have the same or more damage than you, with better range or mobility/survival, and push wave to boot.
Annie would be famous for her roams but now she can't even roam since you have so many champs that trivially outpush her and bully her in lane to the point where she spends half a match under turret while the enemy midlaner roams instead if he didn't poke her into irrelevance.
ISLAMICWARRIOR993 votes[{quoted}](name=Crescent Dusk,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=URyUyAiV,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2018-08-12T06:15:20.966+0000)
Pfft an autoattack range buff is doing jackshit for the fact she has no wavepush worth a damn, gets pushed into turret by most meta laners and can't trade with them because her wavepushing tool also removes her stun which gives the opponent easy windows to trade with her on their own terms (so Annie can't ever engage on her own terms unless she holds off using spells which she can't because then she gets pushed into turret or fights with a minion disadvantage).
Nor does an autoattack range buff fix the fact her autoattacks do nothing in either TF or laning because they do no damage and you still have a mage with the same range of Vladimir and Swain but none of their bulkiness or survivability tools (her E is garbage since it often needs to be blown to even get to your stun), and even with armor built she's getting blown up in seconds by assassins unlike my Vladimir who laughs off any Zed or Talon that tries to jump me.
There's a reason why the most well-known Annie player, Annie Bot, can't even get out of Diamond at this moment. Annie is outranged, but when she gets to her short range she doesn't even have the damage to compensate for it.
I just tested my Ahri and her Charm+orb combo does more damage alone than an Annie Q+W while having more range, and I'm not even factoring in her W into it. With both Zyra and Brand I also do same or more burst and have way more range and wavepush to boot.
Annie is plain bad. Abusing her range was supposed to be her main weakness (she would traditionally be a counterpick to melee champs) but right now her damage has been decimated, and she has no survivability whatsoever to the point where I can pop a full rotation with ult stun and still die to a Zed or Yasuo because so much damage has been removed from her. Now it's not just Xerath or longer range mages who counter in lane; basically anyone in mid lane who doesn't have atrocious wavepush counters you because they have the same or more damage than you, with better range or mobility/survival, and push wave to boot.
Annie would be famous for her roams but now she can't even roam since you have so many champs that trivially outpush her and bully her in lane to the point where she spends half a match under turret while the enemy midlaner roams instead if he didn't poke her into irrelevance.
Or Annie Bot is just a diamond player lol
Rathar Dashing6 votes...which they've now delayed for what, 2 months? It's taking them 2 months to give her +25 auto attack range? Please.
TempName5484610 votesif pantheon wasn't sitting at 53% win ratio top lane at every elo i'd agree with him not needing nerfs but he is, also his better with aery than electrocute anyways so only jungle pantheon is getting nerfs and lets be honest now no one wants to play against that shit.
bard won't care too much either as he can do just as well with aery but i did like electrocute bard more.
MorgManBasher1 votesif pantheon wasn't sitting at 53% win ratio top lane at every elo i'd agree with him not needing nerfs but he is, also his better with aery than electrocute anyways so only jungle pantheon is getting nerfs and lets be honest now no one wants to play against that shit.
bard won't care too much either as he can do just as well with aery but i did like electrocute bard more.
But they are nerfing aery too tho
I'm more afraid for Bard though than Panth, literally every single rune getting nerfed for him and it's super harsh.
TempName548464 votesi don't really follow the pbe patch notes so correct me if im wrong but the cd on electrocute was massively reduced while the damage was only slightly reduced so i'd imagine it could very well be a buff to bard since he isn't really an all in champion (not that i play him but that's what i think anyways) and the new electrocute should be better for trading.
MorgManBasher1 votesi don't really follow the pbe patch notes so correct me if im wrong but the cd on electrocute was massively reduced while the damage was only slightly reduced so i'd imagine it could very well be a buff to bard since he isn't really an all in champion (not that i play him but that's what i think anyways) and the new electrocute should be better for trading.
it's literally the same damage just cut in half over time, so it's a nerf. You are looking for all in's as Bard. Bard can poke, but he's more about looking for a stun and killing them off it. Also since it's half the damage, sustain champs are even stronger against Bard.
Not to mention celerity and cheap shot are straight nerfs.
It's just a huge nerf to bard any way you look at it.
TempName548462 votesDamage :: 50-220 (+50%bAD)(+30%AP) >>> 30-180 (+40%bAD)(+25%AP) Cooldown :: 50-25 >>> 25-20
the damage nerf is quite insignificant after level 3 and the cd is much lower, hardly cut in half.
LegitBusinessman10 votesHe's not meant to sit in lane with an overpowered rune and ignite and be some kind of lane assassin. He's a utility roaming support.
Caretaker Jack1 votesHe's not meant to sit in lane with an overpowered rune and ignite and be some kind of lane assassin. He's a utility roaming support.
He can't roam if he has no pressure. That aside, I think having electrocute up more often is a buff. I think you should be more scared because his damage is going to be even more stupid.
Thefrostyviking8 votesLike......please, rather than asking for bard to have damage buffs, ask for utility buffs and for everyone else to have their damage nerfed too.
Bard with high damage is already incredibly nasty to play against when he is any good.
Hethalean5 votesI don't think Bard is one of those champions which Riot will give them compensation buffs to counter ancillary nerfs.
Caretaker Jack1 votesI don't think Bard is one of those champions which Riot will give them compensation buffs to counter ancillary nerfs.
Not necessarily true. When the runes reforged didn't go well for Bard they buffed him.
Hethalean1 votes[{quoted}](name=Caretaker Jack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=URyUyAiV,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2018-08-12T17:10:24.927+0000)
Not necessarily true. When the runes reforged didn't go well for Bard they buffed him.
What I mean is that they won't nerf something, and take into consideration how it'll nerf Bard and buff him. They will buff for sure, but just a few patches down the line.
Caretaker Jack1 votesWhat I mean is that they won't nerf something, and take into consideration how it'll nerf Bard and buff him. They will buff
Are you a fellow Bard main? Hello. ^^ Personally, I think it might be a buff. He will be even more stupid triggering electrocute twice.
AirKingNeo5 voteslol thinking pantheon should ever be allowed to be remotely viable despite having 0 counterplay
Ahris4 votesI think bard needed a nerf.
Altiverse3 votesHeh, I don't really mind. I main Bard and Guardian is hands down the best keystone for him. Kinda underrated :l
I did use Cheap Shot + Relentless Hunter as secondary, but I don't think that going into the Inspiration tree for Magical Footwear + Biscuit/anything of the third line falls much short of it.
Kai Guy3 votesBard never needs to give a fuck about #s unless it relates to CD or CC duration. E remains good always, R remains good, always. Long as Q can lock down folks for a reasonable time he will be a viable pick as at any point he can turn a 5v5 into 1 sided fights like a 1 v 5 or 2 v 5 and/or force SS.
hOrnn1 votespeople forget about bards sustain and max e over it, i have no clue why, there are games ill even max W first if vs say a sona, good nami or lame soraka.
bards role is utility so 1 level in q in lane is good enough sometimes.
Aptest1 votespeople forget about bards sustain and max e over it, i have no clue why, there are games ill even max W first if vs say a sona, good nami or lame soraka.
bards role is utility so 1 level in q in lane is good enough sometimes.
Because I don't pick bard to play a roaming heal-bot. I pick bard to play a roaming gank-bot.
hOrnn2 votesright, and mid lane would be the lane you are ganking most then, so they should have damage being zed/yasuo/zoe
Aptest1 votesright, and mid lane would be the lane you are ganking most then, so they should have damage being zed/yasuo/zoe
well. lets say you make a case for zed's job being to gank bot, so zed needs the damage to kill bot? then bard's job is to gank mid, so bard needs the damage to kill zed?
/kappa
Bârd1 votesMax it second if you really want to play defensive.
Otherwise, 2 points before Q>E>W max at the most to survive a hard lane.
hOrnn3 votestbh bard running damage runes is retarded right now, with his passive he can literally first blood levels 1-3 bot lane so easily and this is without running 
he will still be a strong champion though, most people max his E second, thats stupid AF, his heals heal for so much and give a nice speed boost, his Q is pretty basic and simple to hit, even to land the stun, and his ult is game changing.
hes a good champion overall.
Bijeesny5 votestbh bard running damage runes is retarded right now, with his passive he can literally first blood levels 1-3 bot lane so easily and this is without running
hes a good champion overall.
It heals a lot when you let his shrines to charge, but as an instant heal it's useless. And his Q is easy to hit?? Are you okay? Do you know how his Q even functions? Not only it's short ranged spell, but you need to hit either a wall, or an enemy unit that's standing BEHIND THE FIRST TARGET YOU HIT. Try to do it 'with ease' as you described, by walking up to 2 enemy players + minion wave, hitting some1 and then connecting them to something else. Good luck surviving that.
hOrnn1 votes?? i know how bard works his w also gives a speed boost.
KFCeytron1 votesIt heals a lot when you let his shrines to charge, but as an instant heal it's useless. And his Q is easy to hit?? Are you okay? Do you know how his Q even functions? Not only it's short ranged spell, but you need to hit either a wall, or an enemy unit that's standing BEHIND THE FIRST TARGET YOU HIT. Try to do it 'with ease' as you described, by walking up to 2 enemy players + minion wave, hitting some1 and then connecting them to something else. Good luck surviving that.
You can line up your stun on a wall OR a unit?
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People call me easy-mode braindead with a point-and-click stun.
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Bijeesny1 votes
Except Vayne's stun is point to click, isn't a skillshot,and it's more reliable type of cc because even if you don't stun the target, it's knocked back. But nice try tho.
KFCeytron1 votesExcept Vayne's stun is point to click, isn't a skillshot,and it's more reliable type of cc because even if you don't stun the target, it's knocked back. But nice try tho.
Except Binding has half the CD and 33% lower mana cost compared to Condemn (and Bard has 50% more base mana, while also building mana). Even if Bard doesn't stun the target, it's still slowed, and it's a more reliable type of CC because you'll never knock an enemy to safety as Vayne often will when the enemy moves during Condemn's animation. Binding can also stun two targets. But nice try tho.
Bijeesny1 votesExcept Binding has half the CD and 33% lower mana cost compared to Condemn (and Bard has 50% more base mana, while also building mana). Even if Bard doesn't stun the target, it's still slowed, and it's a more reliable type of CC because you'll never knock an enemy to safety as Vayne often will when the enemy moves during Condemn's animation. Binding can also stun two targets. But nice try tho.
Dude, Bard is nothing without Q, ofc he needs lower mana costs and cd-s wtf. And you know when will you stun 2 targets? When you play against dogshit players who dont know how Bard works. Simple as that. And tbh idk what's ur point in even commenting stuff like this. You wanna say Bard is braindead easy or just that he's op? Cuz he's not xD I mean, I could explain it to you if you want, cuz it's obvious you barely know how Bard functions or how weak he is compared to other supports.
KFCeytron1 votesDude, Bard is nothing without Q, ofc he needs lower mana costs and cd-s wtf. And you know when will you stun 2 targets? When you play against dogshit players who dont know how Bard works. Simple as that. And tbh idk what's ur point in even commenting stuff like this. You wanna say Bard is braindead easy or just that he's op? Cuz he's not xD I mean, I could explain it to you if you want, cuz it's obvious you barely know how Bard functions or how weak he is compared to othe rsupports.
I'm not saying Bard is easy or OP; I just think it's funny that getting a Q stun is some kind of epic achievement while Vayne is seen as braindead for having to do the same thing only with more risk and lower reward.
Why would you compare Bard to other supports when he's currently played as a roaming assassin who also happens to have utility? :P
The fact that nerfs to assassin runes are seen as big nerfs to a champ who was designed as a roaming enchanter support is a very serious problem, with Bard and with the game itself. Is Bard too good at assassinating? Is assassinating too easy? Are enchanter supports useless?
Bijeesny1 votesI'm not saying Bard is easy or OP; I just think it's funny that getting a Q stun is some kind of epic achievement while Vayne is seen as braindead for having to do the same thing only with more risk and lower reward.
Well you need your enemies to be in certain positions + you need to walk up to them + all the damage in the game. All together just showes you that it's miracle for Bard to survive while trying to maximise the usage of his Q.
The fact that nerfs to assassin runes are seen as big nerfs to a champ who was designed as a roaming enchanter support is a very serious problem, with Bard and with the game itself. Is Bard too good at assassinating? Is assassinating too easy? Are enchanter supports useless?
This season is all about damage. Without it, all he has left is utility, which is mediocre at best. Take away his dmg and he's a shittier version of Rakan. That's why Electrocute nerf is a nerf to Bard
Grokmir3 votesHonestly I'm kinda fine with damage nerfs to bard if they would just make his shrines not just a speedboost late game.
My idea is having them scale with his chimes. But just increasing the heal late would be fine.
And I don't run celerity anyways so its not too bad.
Please End Mee3 votesI'm glad, honestly. I never thought he should be some bursty damage support, but a utility support, which does fit better with his thematic. The fact that early game he can half health me with one Q as long he lands it against a wall is a little ridiculous.
Emerald Fang1 votesPanth's passive is stupidly broken towards any sort of AD but the rest of his kit is relatively fine...? I think he should be fine with his passive.
hOrnn2 votespanths passive would be fine if it didnt tank a turret shot, thats just bullshit.
DarkSoul19941 votesCould Riot not just adjust base HP and resistances across the board if Damage is too high in the early-to-mid game?