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Can we buff pantheon?

Merkel x Tsipras··4 votes·1,989 views

Now you all gonna say "hurr durr pantheon top lane spam Q bla bla"

Yeah we already have an uptade and stronger version of this and his name is GP but everyone here is try to defend him and everyone say that riot "gut him"

Anyway pantheon need some buffs and no i dont care about top lane because if you play him top lane good for you you may win the lane but the game is already lost because many top laners atm outscale pantheon hard!

Pantheon need some buffs to his jungle!! Riot gut his jungle ability because he was able to tank turret yeah this is not a thing any more his attack speed need some buff!! Plus his E need to deal bonus damage TO MONSTERS only not minions so the lvl 1 E to not feel like a waste of mana to even use it because if you use E atm without having 40 bonus ad it dosent even hurt the monsters......

And riot already NERF his ultimate so his jungle is not gonna be strong he would just be BETTER from what he is ATM!

So pantheon need

A better base AS and scaling

His E to deal Extra bonus damage to MONSTERS only

As you can see none of this 2 things make his top lane any better it just make him a bit better jungler!

46 Comments

Astôlfo5 votes

He doesn't need buffs. He needs a rework.

Schàdenfreude1 votes

Pantheon doesn't need a rework. But this comment sure does.

Marshbouy3 votes

he needs a minor rework to give him some form of counterplay in lane. currently he's not only incredibly feast or famine, but also cancerous as fuck to fight when he get's ahead (60% winrate until around 40 min)

Schàdenfreude1 votes

Ye but

Using your logic then Zed also needs a minor rework to give him some form of counterplay in lane.

If you wanna fuck Pantheon play Cho'gath or something. After level 6 you outsustain his spears lol.

Ralanr2 votes

Pantheon needs a rework so he stops being a stun bot late game. And a full VGU to remove his pizza feet.

Schàdenfreude1 votes

stun bot late game? That's what he is supposed to do. Peeeeeeeeeeeel

Ralanr2 votes

It isn't fun to be a stun bot.

Marshbouy3 votes

Using your logic then Zed also needs a minor rework to give him some form of counterplay in lane.

he has counterplay. it's called dodging his skillshots. Pantheon is point and click. you can't dodge point and click.

oh and PS, forcing a champion pick as "counterplay" is considered toxic by riot.

Schàdenfreude1 votes

Pantheon iz easy gank.

He is also vulnerable to all-in champions or otherwise champions that force him into melee range, such as Shen and Olaf.

btw I don't understand your last sentence.

Marshbouy2 votes

That's assuming your jungler will gank for you.

ahahaha, no.

picking a cho gath just to survive laning phase vs pantheon is considered toxic by riot.

Schàdenfreude1 votes

???

but why tho

I dont understand :(

Eedat1 votes

A) you dont always get the oppurtunity to pick after you lane opponent which makes counterpicking literally impossible

B) forcing people to play champions that they arent familiar with just to deal with another champion is BS. The player may be forced on to a champion that they don't know how to play or that they find boring. Which makes the game not fun. And why would you play a game that isn't fun?

Merkel x Tsipras1 votes

you see pantheon top you pick lets say something in meta

Lissandra Fiora Gangplank Illaoi Irelia Kled Lissandra Malphite Malphite Malphite Malphite Malphite Malphite Malphite Vladimir Yorick (the new one)Trundle all them shit on pantheon HARD and they scale later way better and they dont become stun bots and i dont even talk about the tanks that just scale by making pantheon deal 0 damage to them

I mean one day i was playing malp and pantheon couldnt even brake my shield But then again i main malph so it dosent count but still any tank or bruiser shit on pantheon and they scale better

Marshbouy2 votes

lol that's all such a lie. except malph, but otherwise the rest is a huge fucking lie.

Schàdenfreude1 votes

nu

the one's that are wrong are only irelia and gp the rest shit on pantheon

pls dont just sneer at dis shit look on champion counterz

Marshbouy2 votes

so true.

the weeaboo2 votes

He doesnt need a buff at all. Hes where he belongs in the meta. His jungling certainly doesnt need a buff, just the other day I didnt smite on accident and was 4/1 by 6 min lol.

But seriously he has a near instant stun/gapcloser, super strong poke/execute, a waveclear skill, and free TP.

Merkel x Tsipras2 votes

range poke Free shield Free armor shred from 900 distance Free damage reduction and insta stun and displace Free Attack damage reduction for the enemy

Man who is that OP champion?

OHUrgot

...YEAH IF we put the kit of a champion they all sound OP...

the weeaboo1 votes

Urgot is a really strong pick. Dont hate on Urgot fam.

LadyRenly1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Merkel x Tsipras,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UNnP4cAY,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-08-24T23:22:48.471+0000)

range poke Free shield Free armor shred from 900 distance Free damage reduction and insta stun and displace Free Attack damage reduction for the enemy

Man who is that OP champion?

OHUrgot

...YEAH IF we put the kit of a champion they all sound OP...

none of his stuff is free, that's just an outright lie though. urgot has to spend mana on a shield, therefore not free. only gets armor shred if his E hits, which costs mana. he only gets damage reduction if he deals damage, either by spending mana or by being in danger of taking damage, as well as that being his entire passive slot and his insta stun/displace is not free, that costs mana too. the only "Free" thing in his entire kit is the fear on his ult which was added recently

Aviatinq2 votes

If you think he sucks in the jungle don't play him in the jungle.. if you don't like playing him anywhere else besides the jungle then don't play him.. if you don't wanna play a different champ then that sucks for you.

I'd like to play LeBlanc adc... maybe we should buff her too.

Demon King Maou1 votes

Before I say anything I am a pantheon main currently Mastery 7

  1. No he doesn't need buffs to jungle hes perfectly fine just don't rush your E

  2. Definitely doesn't need a buff to jungle due to the fact you destroy the creeps and ganking people is easy ( Especially in ranked )

  3. Again definitely doesn't need anymore buffs hes already strong as it is and doesn't need more attention brought to him

  4. If you still complain " OH HES NOT OP ENOUGH " go play olaf olaf has much better creepclear and scales heavily into late game while ( Most ) pantheons fall off late

As stated by creator of thread pantheon is fine toplane

E deletes champions for those of you who don't play pantheon you get one of these items item 3142 item 3074 item 3031 item 3071 and after one of those said items are complete I Garen -tee that you'll delete enemy health bars

If you aren't doing big damage to monsters you're not playing him correctly either Red buff has an average clear of 21 secs krugs are 17 secs raptors 10 - 18 ( Depending ) wolves 11 - 14 Gromp 16 - 24 blue 20 - 28 ( Depends what level you are could be lower then 20 but by time I reach blue I'm usually level 4 ) both scuttles level 1: 17 secs level 2 scuttle: 22 or less depending ETC his creep clear is good as is and an experienced pantheon would be more "Ganking" than "Farming"

Stop being power hungry pantheon is fine

Merkel x Tsipras1 votes

16 seconds for gromp when all junglers doit in 5...

Man sure Pantheon need no buffs

Plus did i mention that you burn all your mana in your first clear so you pretty much can gank or try to do the whole clear route?

Yeah stop pretending that he is "fine"

I dont care if you main him in silver 5 with 48% win ratio....

When you start main him in diamond then we talk~!

Schàdenfreude1 votes

Why IE? You crits below 15% health practically one shot them. It seems overkill to go for infinity edge.

Merkel x Tsipras1 votes

recommend items from rito....

And people actually buy that stuff...

Slack King1 votes

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Now you all gonna say "hurr durr pantheon top lane spam Q bla bla"

Yeah we already have an uptade and stronger version of this and his name is GP but everyone here is try to defend him and everyone say that riot "gut him"

Anyway pantheon need some buffs and no i dont care about top lane because if you play him top lane good for you you may win the lane but the game is already lost because many top laners atm outscale pantheon hard!

Pantheon need some buffs to his jungle!! Riot gut his jungle ability because he was able to tank turret yeah this is not a thing any more his attack speed need some buff!! Plus his E need to deal bonus damage TO MONSTERS only not minions so the lvl 1 E to not feel like a waste of mana to even use it because if you use E atm without having 40 bonus ad it dosent even hurt the monsters......

And riot already NERF his ultimate so his jungle is not gonna be strong he would just be BETTER from what he is ATM!

So pantheon need

A better base AS and scaling

His E to deal Extra bonus damage to MONSTERS only

As you can see none of this 2 things make his top lane any better it just make him a bit better jungler!

Panth shits on GP

Merkel x Tsipras1 votes

in what elo? wood V?

How you will 1vs1 GP when he can easily destroy your HP with his barrels and clean your stun so your E is pretty much useless and when he hit lvl 6 he have an 1vs1 ulti where panth have team orient ulti....

Jesus in what elo you people play...

Slack King1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Merkel x Tsipras,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UNnP4cAY,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-08-24T23:34:41.876+0000)

in what elo? wood V?

How you will 1vs1 GP when he can easily destroy your HP with his barrels and clean your stun so your E is pretty much useless and when he hit lvl 6 he have an 1vs1 ulti where panth have team orient ulti....

Jesus in what elo you people play...

Fine, since you have such a massive understanding to this game ill lay it out. Panth is strong early-mid Panth shield blocks GP Q Panth simply zones gp away, if GP freezes panth leaves lane and deletes GPs team

Gp is massively weak early, ok mid with a terror of a late game.

GG kid*[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]*

Merkel x Tsipras1 votes

GP gets zoned? do you even know what the GP E does?

Oh my GOD do you know why GP is getting some much nerfs?

Simple because you cant snowball against him or zone him

He zone you with his barrels and panth cant do nothing against that

Pantheon passive may block GP Q But it mean nothing because GP have his E

My god why i reply to silver i mean yeah down there gp only use his Q simple because dosent know how to use E

Plus GP ulti is global so everywhere panth ulti GP can follow with his ULTI

dO YOU EVEN KNOW THE GAME? my eyes jesus

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Merkel x Tsipras,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UNnP4cAY,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-24T23:43:26.672+0000)

GP gets zoned? do you even know what the GP E does?

Oh my GOD do you know why GP is getting some much nerfs?

Simple because you cant snowball against him or zone him

He zone you with his barrels and panth cant do nothing against that

Pantheon passive may block GP Q But it mean nothing because GP have his E

My god why i reply to silver i mean yeah down there gp only use his Q simple because dosent know how to use E

Plus GP ulti is global so everywhere panth ulti GP can follow with his ULTI

dO YOU EVEN KNOW THE GAME? my eyes jesus

OMG did you know GP got ate by a shark and will never be seen again on League?

death by nerf shark!!! OP!!!

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Merkel x Tsipras1 votes

Well that good his perma ban status would stop and now we would be able to ban other cancer champs like yasuo and stuff

Till the 10 bans come around

Slack King1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Merkel x Tsipras,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UNnP4cAY,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-24T23:43:26.672+0000)

GP gets zoned? do you even know what the GP E does?

Oh my GOD do you know why GP is getting some much nerfs?

Simple because you cant snowball against him or zone him

He zone you with his barrels and panth cant do nothing against that

Pantheon passive may block GP Q But it mean nothing because GP have his E

My god why i reply to silver i mean yeah down there gp only use his Q simple because dosent know how to use E

Plus GP ulti is global so everywhere panth ulti GP can follow with his ULTI

dO YOU EVEN KNOW THE GAME? my eyes jesus

Youre terrible arent you? I dont even get zoned when Im morde against GP Also if youre going to attempt to insult me, atleast dont babble like a mongrel

Merkel x Tsipras1 votes

i dont care what you do in silver

In silver i can win with an AP riven for real i would build lich bane and frevor mastery and i will shit on you so hard you will come to forum and you will ask for Ap riven nerfs

I dont care about what you do in your elo

Slack King1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Merkel x Tsipras,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UNnP4cAY,comment-id=000300000000000000010000,timestamp=2016-08-24T23:50:01.969+0000)

i dont care what you do in silver

In silver i can win with an AP riven for real i would build lich bane and frevor mastery and i will shit on you so hard you will come to forum and you will ask for Ap riven nerfs

I dont care about what you do in your elo

Well yea, thats in EU. Over here in NA we actually play something other than bots

Merkel x Tsipras1 votes

i was playing in N.A server before you even knew what league was

but the last 2 seasons the pings skyrocket to 300 so i play on my server now

When i was playing on N.A i was playing from Europe and i was having 60 ping because the game was having less than 100k players

Dont even talk

Slack King1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Merkel x Tsipras,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UNnP4cAY,comment-id=00030000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-24T23:57:50.854+0000)

i was playing in N.A server before you even knew what league was

but the last 2 seasons the pings skyrocket to 300 so i play on my server now

When i was playing on N.A i was playing from Europe and i was having 60 ping because the game was having less than 100k players

Dont even talk

Okie kid, try backing up the shit you throw out

DREADN0UGHT1 votes

Nice name.

And no.

Marshbouy1 votes

Can riot shove a metal rod up my ass? Yes. But that doesn't mean i want or like it

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

why does Pantheon need AS? he is a caster? item 3812 item 3742 item 3071 item 3156 item 3142 item 1001

Merkel x Tsipras2 votes

for his jungle clear

Early game his cast damage is way too low his E does 0 damage against the monsters and he have only one single target ability against the monster

He is like WarWick but without the Attack speed and life steal early lvl

After you finish the warrior item then your E starts to deal damage

That why he need some better base AS and his E to deal some extra bonus damage to MONSTER not like it would make his lane phase any better

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Merkel x Tsipras,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UNnP4cAY,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2016-08-24T23:45:04.455+0000)

for his jungle clear

Early game his cast damage is way too low his E does 0 damage against the monsters and he have only one single target ability against the monster

He is like WarWick but without the Attack speed and life steal early lvl

After you finish the warrior item then your E starts to deal damage

That why he need some better base AS and his E to deal some extra bonus damage to MONSTER not like it would make his lane phase any better

well you could go 9 flat ad reds flat attack speed quints flat armor yellows, cdr blues and have your ad,as,cdr all at lvl 1.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Merkel x Tsipras1 votes

that the standard route but still feel bad (btw before the nerfs you could go 15 ad and cdr and be able to clear the jungle) now even with 14% AS from runes you still getting punished

This how much riot nerf him...

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Merkel x Tsipras,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UNnP4cAY,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-24T23:59:13.775+0000)

that the standard route but still feel bad (btw before the nerfs you could go 15 ad and cdr and be able to clear the jungle) now even with 14% AS from runes you still getting punished

This how much riot nerf him...

they nerfed him because his early game dominance in jungle was too strong. so they brought him in line with other champs.

Genocide Victim1 votes

Not until you rework him. He is currently one of the most retarded champions.

Merkel x Tsipras2 votes

I guess malphite and rammus and ammumu and yi are the most OP champions in the game huh? and if a team have them then the bronzodia is SUMMONED and if you are bronze you get an insta defeat![slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

VivaLaKitten1 votes

Pantheon is fine atm Gangplank has a very weak early game

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