Why is Zed toxic right now?

Ch0c0lateJesus··3 votes·2,109 views

Is it because he is unbalanced? I dont really think so.

The issue with Zed mid in my experience comes down to the lane phase, and the things that make him sort of unique compared to other mid assassins, even manaless ones.

Lets think about the poke, and the pushing ability combined...

Zed has skillshot nukes that pass through minion waves, even though they deal reduced damage after they hit minions, they are essenitally free to use. Zed also comes with plenty of aoe and a passive that makes wave clear and last hitting trivial. If he is feeling threatened at all, he will get item 3155 An item that is very gold efficient right off the bat, this doesnt hamper his ability to cast spells to push/trade at all. It is a win/win purchase.

If a mage is threatened by Zed, they have to get item 3191 An item that isnt even fully powered when bought, and gives no form of sustain against a champion that has virtually unlimited harass. If a mage is forced to get this item instead of their early standard mana item, Zed can take advantage of this by pushing, forcing them to use mana to hold back a flood of minions, and mana starving them. If he gets a item 3144 instead of Hexdrinker, and force lots of trades, and infinitely sustain health while his oppoenent cannot sustain mana or HP due to the weakness of their only defensive item choice.

TLDR I think people hate Zed because the defensive options against AD champs in lane are crap, and Zed amplifies this issue by being manalessas well as having very strong ranged harass and wave clear. item 3157 is a very expensive item, AD mids have access to far better early defensive item choices than mages in lane. Mages have to make a sacrifice when buying their early defensive item, whereas AD champions do not.

18 Comments

Waffletimewarp3 votes

My issue with Zed is more of an issue with how poor tank itemization is right now.

Something is just wrong with being able to two shot a nearly full defense build Singed.

IceKingChernobog1 votes

Tank items are totally in the shitter right now, i play volibear and i get more out of me building 3 offensive items and 2 defensive items because building pure tank is too expensive and does so little to actually help out your team. It's now a meta of kill of be killed.

Daishø2 votes

First of all, zed has ONE aoe ability, which is his E. his E doesnt have as large of a range as katarinas spin thing. and also, skillshot nukes? his q's dont do much during the laning phase unless he hit you with his shadow and player Q, and there are no minions. Im not hating, cause i havent been on boards for a while, and suddenly, my favorite champ is under the limelight for some reason. most people hate zed cause lots of them dont know his kit, like at all. they make mistakes and dont know how to make up for them. The funniest thing that has happened was i was once playing zed against a akali, and i ulted her. she got away, but DM would totally get her. and as she starts spamming laugh, my dm pops and she dies :D. but seriously, whats with all the sudden talk about zeds?

Ch0c0lateJesus4 votes

He has 2 AOE abilities, the shurikens damage everything in their path and can be used for clear as well as harass.

Im quite familiar with what Zed does, and I know he gets a vast number of advantages over mages in lane because mages lack item choices against AD opponents.

Kowe The Ewok1 votes

Do you even play Zed?

ĄðX2 votes

You do realize that there is also item 3140 ..... Zed is mainly strong due to his ultimate aka "Death Mark" and his mobility (similar to Leblanc).. item 3140 Is such a valuable item that is underrated because of as you mentioned item 3157

Overall, zed is pretty much useless without his ultimate unless you are obviously fed.

Leti the Yeti1 votes

Everyone loves what QSS does, its just no one likes what QSS gives stat-wise again, QSS isnt free.. people want some mana regen so they can either farm safely via skill spam... but die to zed at 6 or get that QSS, be deprived of mp and farm dangerously.. and you might just die pre-6, idk take ur pick

Zeds not totally useless, he still has massive out play potential and can 1 v 3 or 1 v 4, dont say he cant, there are videos of him doing of him doing it without even being fed

ĄðX1 votes

I said zed is useless most of the times without his ULT. Sure a player can outplay with just Q, W, E.......I never said hes useless in general.

EDIT: I said that because his ult deals more dmg as you apply more dmg while the death mark is on before it is triggered..

Ch0c0lateJesus4 votes

You DO realise that item 3140 gives no mana, or ap and nothing but MAGIC RESIST and also builds into only one item which is an AD item right?

You didnt even read the original post.

ĄðX1 votes

Your post is directly aimed at Zed, right???? QSS is a perfect item to counter zed. even if you are AD or AP.....its the ability to remove his ult that matters.

Also, People WHO DO GET QSS, Dont completely finish the item and just leave it at that until they are fed enough to kill zed without QSS, then sell it to get a better item.....

item 3140 also costs less than item 3157.. If you are a good player, you dont need QSS to kill a zed and my post is irrelevant.

Kowe The Ewok1 votes

Post irrelevant. Written by G III ZED MAIN.

Nothing but Freelo abuser QQ.

Kowe The Ewok1 votes

Purchase item 3140 Zed meanwhile buys item 3134

(The "you" in the following sentence refers to any player) Instead of bursting you Zed will burst your jungler. And you? You will loose poke battle in lane hard, big time. Because he sustains better than mages, can spamm his Q on cooldown infinitely, while mages are limited by mana and deals superior damage due to his item advantage. You can't even try to make a full engage since Zed can frequently jump away and all you get is creep aggro (or a burned flash and some damage which wil be healed back up in a sec)

SouL1ess1 votes

You can't really buff early AP itemization to specifically counter Zed without hitting every AD mid early, honestly.

If you say Zed is not unbalanced in lane, what should all the other AD mids think? Talon can't even initiate a trade right now without losing it.

Leti the Yeti1 votes

i sorta just dont give him kills pre 6 dont even buy armor or zhonyas and I know for sure he cant kill me once he turns 6

exhaust helps too Akali is my hardest mid lane matchup, fk Zed ;/

support5life1 votes

My issue with Zed is that it is actually really easy to beat him, like most assassins, but for some reason people just don't. In fact, for some reason, people somehow become worse players while facing assassins...like they think they are going to instantly feed, so they do.

yksi1 votes

lol are people actually complaining about zed again? it's really not fucking hard to beat him

TheI3igDaddy1 votes

The problems I have with Zed are:

-Manaless waveclear + his passive -Being able to ult back to safety after facerolling on top of someone -BorK amplifying his ult damage (because someone apparently thought that it was a smart move)

And of course you can't really build tanky against him because you won't have the damage to kill him, along with BorK shredding through any health you decided to buy.

CoolKnightST1 votes

Zed is fine:

  • summoner 3 got nerfed
  • His shadow now popups behind his target.
  • item 3102 recieved a increased cooldown on it's passive

Their is litterly nothing else that effected him. Before people cried he was UP. Now their crying his OP.

When he was on his strongest (worlds). He didn't win a single game besides groups. And the game where he was playing his counter Zilean was banned and he still lost most of them.

The only things that could have effected now compaired to worlds is the pre-season changes. That made snowbal midlaners a little bit stronger when it comes to objective controle. So if whe would have played worlds on this patch whe might have seen more wins on Zed but so is Leblanc.

Just because the meta is in his favor (what's actualy not true to say anymore now it slowly moves back to mages). People just doesn't respect Zed powerspikes and just expecting they can 1v1 him the entire game. It's an early champion with the potentional to snowball the midgame. Learn that and you will be fine. If you go even with a Zed in lane. You basicly won the game if you play it correctly.

You known Zed will try to kill you ones he hit 6. In most of my games if I play jungle or support I will just make sure I'm their when this happends. In most cases you won't get a kill on him. But you will destroy his chance to snowball in midgame on that moment. I can't believe how many times I saved my midlaner with a perfect timed summoner 3 and my midlaner recalls with 1% hp. After that point most midlaner will have item 3157 or the items to outscale him. From that point their is nothing Zed can do without help from his team to have the potentional to snowball the game again.

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