Thunderlord's shouldnt proc on a single ability cast.

Ch0c0lateJesus·1/7/2016, 4:38:23 PM·99 votes·6,764 views

I've been playing a lot of the Donger recently, with a lot of success.. maybe too much success...

Donger has always been great in solo queue due to how well he punishes sloppy engages(which, in solo queue is every engage), but thunderlord's on him seems almost abusive. It is possible to proc thunderlords's with a single W cast, as long as at least 3 rockets hit the target, making his early poke hit extremely hard even with only 1 point in the ability.

My understanding of thunderlord's is that it is meant to complement combo casters and assassins who rapidly use a full rotation of spells on one target. Right now it complements almost everything due to how easy it is to proc on nearly every champ. I even saw a Nasus using it, who was perfectly able to proc thunderlord's with a single spiritfire, as long as I took 3 ticks of damage from it.

Seems like common sense that thunderlord's should only get one stack with any given ability cast, even if the ability can hit multiple times. This would at least help push it back into its niche of combo casters, rather than being a practical pick on everything.

97 Comments

forresto1/7/2016, 6:24:58 PM6 votes

ya the mechanics of thunderlords are a bit wonky and inconsistent. on-hit magic boosts count as 2 which means sona can q-aa and itl proc thunderlords if her passive is up. most dots only count on initial cast, but karmas w and morgs damage field can proc it on 1 cast. if you spend too much time in singed poison field, itl go off, but the residual poison effect after leaving the poison trail wont count. It's all more of the infamous rito spaghetti code.

Meep Man1/7/2016, 7:12:05 PM4 votes

Thunderlord's should just make it so all of the champion's abilities apply a stack of Lightning to the target for X seconds, occurring once per ability cast. Basic attacks apply a stack as an on-attack/on-hit effect.

Enemies with 3 stacks of Lightning will proc Thunderlord's Decree.

Jasiwel1/8/2016, 5:25:51 AM3 votes

It should be three abilities flat, not three ticks from abilities.

Weathered1/7/2016, 9:02:42 PM2 votes

Patch notes 6.1

"Thunderlords Decree: Changed to have to be proc'ed by three separate abilities or auto attacks. This will hopefully shift DoT and multi-hit ability champions to favor other masteries like Deathfire Touch to increase diversity among masteries."

(this isn't actually a thing yet but it should be)

CitadelOfIce1/7/2016, 11:47:01 PM2 votes

Yeah I don't get thunder-lords really. I originally thought it was just there as something for mage supports and JG mages but... What the hell Riot why dose it work with AD casters so well.

RISE Shlack1231/7/2016, 11:51:19 PM2 votes

I'm pretty tired of the League of Thunderlords, personally. I mean, yeah, I use it because it's way too strong not to. Sure, there are a couple roles where other keystones are useful, but these days, it's hard NOT to use Thunderlords. Diversity...

Texicant1/7/2016, 7:49:09 PM2 votes

it is silly that morgana and anivia aoe can proc it. Zigg's minefield can too but at least that's somewhat dodge-able. morgana and anivia ability just too quick while in the field imo

The Ecdysiast1/8/2016, 1:58:03 AM2 votes

Then it shouldn't proc on autos either.

TheOvermind1/8/2016, 6:27:00 AM2 votes

They need to make it so that it procs from 3 different damage sources ( different spells and or an auto attack) so no more Morgana w ez procs , or adc 3 auto procs . It should be like a xerath ewq. Or a veigar ewq auto. Etc

i am spartta1/7/2016, 8:52:02 PM2 votes

i think ur right. (:

from, Nunu

Comrade Napoleon1/9/2016, 6:42:43 AM1 votes

1 E from Ryze at lvl 1, if the enemy is standing between their minions Thunderlords will proc

KaisadiIIa1/7/2016, 11:45:01 PM1 votes

Also attacks proccing other attacks count as twice ie. Akali using a basic attack against a target with a Q mark counts as two attacks, so you can Q > aa and proc thunderlord's. Same with Ahri: Q > aa procs thunderlord's.

And let's not talk about Malzahar or Brand that can proc it only clicking E on their target. Although it's not much of a trouble because those champions will prefer Deathfire Touch either way.

Spaceman5pff1/8/2016, 1:17:50 AM1 votes

I still think things like ahri's Q that deal 2 instances of damage (ekko Q, sivir Q, Gnar Q etc.) should apply a stack each time. MARKS SHOULD NOT DO THIS THOUGH. No LB, Akali, Kata Q's applying 2 instances.

Fizz Wukong1/8/2016, 8:04:17 PM1 votes

A Chogath at level 1 proc'd it against me twice in lane with his E. He was attacking siege minions, I was standing by the ranged minions, but his spikes proc'd it.

James Stone1/8/2016, 11:26:42 PM1 votes

I agree on your point so nothing to add there, but I do have a question.

Despite its early game advantages, wouldn't Heimer benefit more from Deathfire Touch for the constant DPS from his turrets? Or is the AP value too low to benefit? And do turret autos count as single target damage for the purpose of DFT's damage, or as DoT?

LittleBlast1/8/2016, 11:26:43 PM1 votes

Things like lucians passive and r should, things like bards aa should not proc 2 stacks. Just imo

Hyrum Graff1/8/2016, 11:31:20 PM1 votes

Shh, you'll expose the secret of Donger Support! Thunderlords + 3 Spellthief procs = SUPER ROCKETS