Is it me or is Lee Sin rather bad in the current meta?

SEKAI·12/13/2018, 5:17:50 AM·1 votes·1,510 views

Yeah, the dude could do cool tricks, but if you really come down to it that would appear to be the only thing he's good at. And even then, his tricks have been severely gimped by the ward nerfs, rightfully so at least for him because of how obnoxious his infinite mobility was even if the ward nerf itself was unhealthy to game as a whole but that's for later, and the result is that Lee Sin is pretty much good at nothing.

His late game is not impressive due to his style of "picking" being at odds with the nature of late game, this is especially the case with how much emphasis on team-stack deathball there is in the current meta.

What about his early game? He should still be strong in early amiright? Well, at level 3 I got out-checked by a 0 item (only the machete) jungle Yi faster than I could even scratch his hide (which was completely bullshit). Not to mention, with how cancerous the champ designs are these days, it becomes increasingly harder to gank pretty much any lane, especially that Lee has no methods of outright locking down his opponent and his old issue of bursting someone out of the water seems to be completely unrelateable to his current self. And Lee's so-so clearing is also not helping his case. It just seems that Lee's early presence is also minimal.

Sure, as the so-called "ultimate" generalist, he should never be good at anything as per the theme of jack-of-all-trades. Very understandable. But, I don't think that should equate to him simply being useless more or less all fronts.

Sure, people still play Lee quite a lot it would appear, at least judging from the stats because I hardly see any Lee on my end for some reason. But I just feel that atm Lee is just super bad.

Or am I just doing it wrong?

3 Comments

Warlord Rhinark12/13/2018, 7:45:52 AM2 votes

I don't think I'm really seeing what you're seeing. He still seems pretty strong to me.

The combination of item 1400 item 3071 item 3742 item 3053 item 3074 item 3117 makes him not only mobile as hell, but also surprisingly tanky whilst still dishing out decent, Assassin levels of damage.

His ganks, if he can hit his skillshots, can also be pretty lethal if the enemy doesn't have an escape.

He falls off late game, but that's what all Assassins (I know he isn't an Assassin, but he sure plays like one most of the time) do.

If there was one change he would benefit from, it would be to bring back Tracker's Knife.

SEKAI12/13/2018, 7:28:31 AM1 votes

Any tips?

RaijinKage Ayaku12/16/2018, 9:26:11 PM1 votes

I'm a main Lee, and I'm gonna say right away, it's shit. Even while being ahead and doing what needs to be done, when I check the damage dealt, it's NON-EXISTENT.

Yes you could say that Lee is a burst champ bla bla, sure. But why in a match where I'm 7/5/12 and the enemy Kha'zix is 14/10/7 he does DOUBLE damage? He's a BURST champ too. Maybe cause he has Dark Harvest? Technically he died twice as much too, so I spent more time on the map ALIVE than him. I tried Lee DH and it's basically the same shit, that game I ran Electrocute and it did like 1k damage in 30mins. He did 1.7k with DH and 20 souls.

So it is safe to say he has way more damage than Lee, people keep refering LEE as an ASSASSIN but he's NOTHING. He doesn't belong in any category. He's not tanky enough to MATTER compared to regular bruisers/tanks even if you build full tank.

And sure you can kill an AP/ADC with Q AA R Q (most of the time.) But then that's it. You're left with nothing. Again, Kha'zix you press Q AA he SHOULD be dead. (This is all by imagining somebody walks into you while you're in a bush)

Some champs can still do pretty high damage and be fairly tanky while building tank. Idk like Xin & Garen etc, those champs have INSANE RATIOS on their spells. You can 100% go FULL TANK GAREN and do more damage than an Assassin. And that should NOT BE A THING. I think Lee needs a small rework of some sort.

Instead of giving him range on his Q they should give him less range but if he gets close to you he shreds you. (Like what they did to Azir "rework" basically)

IDK Why Riot doesn't buff him like that instead of the small "buffs" they're giving him. He used to be very good and had nice damage, it's easy to dodge Lee's Q, and if he misses he's basically screwed. Now sure he's still fairly played but that's because he's FUN TO PLAY. People aren't playing him because he's META.

There are so many champs that are still godlike if played well and they get buffed for some reason? This is just bullshit at this point. ( Katarina shunpo NO CAST buff next patch.. etc. )

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