So Riot is making an AD item for Assassins

Rebonack·Dec 7, 2015·96 votes·4,533 views

They're expecting it to go live on the first or second patch of the new year.

Assuming it isn't Melee Only, I give it two weeks before Ezreal gets it nerfed.

68 Comments

Cloud273Dec 7, 201514 votes

Why is Twitch not considered a ranged assassin? He is just as deadly as Vayne.

RebonackDec 7, 201522 votes

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Why is Twitch not considered a ranged assassin? He is just as deadly as Vayne.

Twitch is considered a secondary Assassin as well, if memory serves.

It's just more trendy to complain about Vayne.

JedenVojakDec 8, 201514 votes

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Twitch is considered a secondary Assassin as well, if memory serves.

It's just more trendy to complain about Vayne.

To be fair, Vayne has many assassin like qualities. Short range dash, extra move speed on chase, stealth, single target focus, and every professional baseball players favorite: steroids. She's like a ranged Master Yi.

Chaotic ReksDec 9, 20152 votes

are you saying MasterYi isn't ranged?

Laughing FishDec 9, 20151 votes

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SHinji11Dec 8, 20156 votes

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Twitch is considered a secondary Assassin as well, if memory serves.

It's just more trendy to complain about Vayne.

Not really, twitch has to pay for his late game assassiny powers by having a crap laning phase. Also if he falls behind he is done unlike vayne who can die 10 times and still come back late. That is why no one complains about him

KnoyleDec 8, 20152 votes

I really think Twitch needs a little more love from Riot. While he is a fine Adc where he stands He has to be outstanding early game to remain a threat throughout the rest of it. So far the most "Assassin" thing about him is his "sniping" ult and his q that allows him to prance around enemies undetected at a higher movement speed.

LankPantsDec 8, 20153 votes

It'll either be Ezreal or Corki, it's always Ezreal or Corki.

RebonackDec 8, 20153 votes

Just to elaborate on the post's original point: If the item gives some kind of OnHit effect augmenting Dirk's passive, it'll probably be too strong on Ez's Q. If it adds a bleed effect or some such to spells, it'll be too strong on his everything else.

Stars ShaperDec 7, 20152 votes

I'm sorry but how many ranged AD assassins do you know?

RebonackDec 7, 201562 votes

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I'm sorry but how many ranged AD assassins do you know?

Vayne

Stars ShaperDec 7, 20152 votes

Marksman(woman).

RebonackDec 7, 201532 votes

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Marksman(woman).

Primary Ranger. Secondary Assassin.

Stars ShaperDec 7, 20152 votes

Secondary roles are not really an indication of a character main trait. Xerath is classified as an Assassin though he is really long range and a siege/sniper character.

KONO RUBICK DADec 7, 201515 votes

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Secondary roles are not really an indication of a character main trait. Xerath is classified as an Assassin though he is really long range and a siege/sniper character.

because he can wait you in a bush and kill you with 2 spells, ziggs can't do this same for orianna yet they are all range

Auz the RipperDec 7, 201519 votes

It's also a slightly a relic from before his rework, when he totally could annihilate anyone with his full combo with no retaliation

AbyssphereDec 8, 20159 votes

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Secondary roles are not really an indication of a character main trait. Xerath is classified as an Assassin though he is really long range and a siege/sniper character.

Xerath was considered an assassin of sorts before his rework.

Hello I am BirdDec 9, 20151 votes

Apparently she is a: Primary: Ranger Secondary: Woman

CipseDec 8, 20155 votes

Personally, I find Twitch a better assassin.

NegusInParisDec 8, 20153 votes

Tristana

doombotMECHADec 8, 20154 votes

twitch would be better if his kit had a unified theme. I love the guy to death, but he's just not that great unless you can get those 5-man ults

BisaknospDec 8, 20152 votes

yeah i like this champ too but he is nothing compared to other adc's

Shrek LuigiDec 8, 20151 votes

He's a lot better off as a jungler. Once you get past those tedious early clears Twitch becomes a ganking machine.

The only drawback is that it doesn't work in many conventional team comps since Twitch lacks the survivability and fight-initiating qualities that the typical junglers usually have.

LlaniteDec 8, 20152 votes

Teemo

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KnoyleDec 8, 20151 votes

Yeah but his Kit runs off mostly AP doesn't it?

disregardableDec 7, 20153 votes

Jayce. Not an actual assassin, but he does benefit from Apen, damage, and CDR.

GubaguyDec 8, 201516 votes

Quinn

DeadJokrDec 8, 20156 votes

item 3070 Twitch everyone forgot about him

WarlockLawDec 7, 20152 votes

Give it cdr and as long as ezreal doesn't also start building black cleaver or going cdr boots and runes he won't want it. Essence Reaver and triforce gives him max cdr

RebonackDec 7, 20157 votes

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Give it cdr and as long as ezreal doesn't also start building black cleaver or going cdr boots and runes he won't want it. Essence Reaver and triforce gives him max cdr

I doubt it'll be a CDR/Armor Pen item since Yomama's Ghostblade and Cleaver already cover those bases.

It'll probably end up building out of item 3134 and BF Sword or Pickaxe or something.

WarlockLawDec 7, 20151 votes

Cleaver isn't something that assassins traditionally want as it gives percentile shred as you hit ppl more. Most assassins have already killed their target before fully stacking it. Of they want to they could make an inverse to cleaver. Something where the more you smack ppl the less pen you have

RebonackDec 7, 20151 votes

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Cleaver isn't something that assassins traditionally want as it gives percentile shred as you hit ppl more. Most assassins have already killed their target before fully stacking it. Of they want to they could make an inverse to cleaver. Something where the more you smack ppl the less pen you have

Oh I get that.

Cleaver is still nice to have around, though. Because at some point you're going to be hitting a durable target and being able to whittle down their defense helps a ton. Both for you and any other physical damage dealer on your team.

PartholonianDec 8, 20154 votes

Maybe, but assassins should have the option to focus completely on murdering squishies and leave tankbusting to teammates (in fact, IMO they should be bad at it even if they try to build for it, it should be a class weakness).

LW is no longer a good squishy-murderer, which is good overall, but bad for AD assassins because its old "kill everything more" version was core to most of them. The new Ghostblade should be better for them than the old one, Death's Dance is cool, but what do you build after that? Cleaver doesn't even have flat pen anymore, LW only works on bonus armor, an assassin playstyle doesn't usually benefit well from Triforce, most marksman items are bad for all AD assassins except Yasuo... If as early as your third item (as a non jungler) you're already not thinking "damn, I can only afford one of these at a time" but instead "meh, none of this really suits me" then that's a problem.

Arguably mana using AD casters like Kha, Talon or Pantheon should benefit decently from Manamune, loosening their mana constraints while also giving them a decent chunk of AD, but that kind of requires starting the tear early which can put a dent in builds for someone who is trying to have an impact by murdering people in the early game. And anyway, it doesn't help Lee Sin, Riven, Rengar, Rek'sai (if not building tank), or especially Zed, who doesn't even love CDR as much as most of the class because it gives him real energy issues. (Some people may fear and/or hate some of the champions on that list enough to not want to see them helped though...)

Cloud PotatoDec 8, 20151 votes

TriForce works well on many AD Assassins since it helps them out a lot when they fail to kill their target quickly. It is a tradeoff to build it instead of more damage, but the option is there.

elon wątrobaDec 8, 20151 votes

I would like to see another ad+mana or ad+ mana regen item, which doesn't grant crit nor require stacking

ChatillonDec 8, 20151 votes

"kill everything more" lol upvoted

SaphixiaDec 8, 20152 votes

Vayne Twitch Teemo Nidalee Malzahar

HabitzDec 8, 20152 votes

Dem details

BârdDec 8, 20152 votes

Riot made a new AP jungle item, that causes spells to periodically deal bonus damage to nearby units.

If that Blonde explorer forces rito to nerf AP junglers again by taking that item mid, there will be blood. Likely the blood of Ezreal's enemies.

RebonackDec 8, 20153 votes

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Riot made a new AP jungle item, that causes spells to periodically deal bonus damage to nearby units.

If that Blonde explorer forces rito to nerf AP junglers again by taking that item mid, there will be blood. Likely the blood of Ezreal's enemies.

Ezreal: The reason why Junglers can't have nice things.

Darth ValerDec 9, 20152 votes

item 1038 + item 3134 + 800 g (3200 g)

60 AD 15 ArPen Unique Passive: +25% bonus AD Unique Passive: Dealing 30% of a champion's maximum health within 2 seconds grants you 30% base armor penetration towards that target for 3 seconds.

ZelnorackDec 9, 20151 votes

We really don't need Zed getting even more bonus AD.

CoolKnightSTDec 7, 20151 votes

Think it would be ok, probaly something else build out item 3134 . Migh be something like:

item 3134 + item 1053

item 3134 + item 3144

I'm more worried about juggernaut abuse actualy.

WarlockLawDec 7, 20151 votes

I'm pretty sure it won't have attack speed on it. It will definitely have flat pen (so it can replace the last whispers they used to build) as well as cdr and/or high damage. Probably some burst oriented passice/active as well

CoolKnightSTDec 7, 20151 votes

I'm not sure about cdr. We already have item 3142 that is build from item 3133 + item 3134 . Unless their doing something similar as item 3094 item 3087 .