since knock up are in a superior category in terms of CC, slows associated with them should be removed. Kayn, for example, has a knock up for 1 second and a 60% decaying slow for 1.5seconds. What the fuck is that? Sure he is melee but he has multiple tools to jump onto/stick to someone so the slow is unnecessary.
Pika Fox2 votesSure. Remove the slow, and add the duration to the knockup. 2.5s knockup for kayn
DiamondSeed1 votesWhy would you even consider a 2.5s knock up??
Pika Fox2 votesWhy do you think it follows into a slow?
DiamondSeed1 votesHe doesn't need it? He has a fucking dash. Both of those abilities are on low CD
Pika Fox2 votesSo a 2.5s knockup then.
DiamondSeed1 votesYou're absolutely insane to actually think that a 2.5s knock up is reasonable especially if knock ups don't have a way to be countered
Pika Fox2 votesWell what do you want? 2.5s knockup, or 1s knockup + 1.5s slow? Pick one.
DiamondSeed1 votesYou’re delusional
Better Jungler1 votesHe's kinda right tbh.
MOST of the time, you can't remove something from a champ, without giving them something in return. Obviously 2.5s knockup is an exaggeration.. but it probably would be a knockup around 2s you'd have to give him to make up for the 1.5s slow.
or a 2s stun.
don't forget theres 2 kinds of cc. hard and soft. hard is the knockup part, where you lost control of character completely. soft is the slow part, where you have control of your character with movement impaired.
DiamondSeed1 votesYou mean like nerfing Ryze W from 2s to 1.5s and not giving something in return?
You don't always need to compensate, Riot has done this in the past and it has led to a multitude of problems.
You must understand that a knock up is not only physically knocking up the champion but also a stun. During the stun, if the champion doesn't have cleanse or QSS, they are unable to flash out. Knockups are vastly superior in comparison to other CC's. That being said, the slow associated with it is unnecessary. Maybe you just don't know how to play the champion.
Better Jungler1 votesAs a ryze one trick yourself, shouldn't you be the first to admit that ryze has been reworked so many times, that small changes like that are GOING to occur on occassion?
And removing half a second from a stun, is not the same as removing an entire form of soft cc from an ability.
Ryze's snare was .5s nerf.
removing kayns slow would be a complete removal of the benefit of transforming into red kayn
Meep Man1 votesWhat is the issue here? Is Kayn overpowered right now?
DiamondSeed1 votesYou didn't read the post. The issue is knock ups with slows.
Better Jungler1 votesYou have to look at kayn a little different.
Base form, nontransformed kayn has a slow on his w, thats just how the ability works. Depending on how he chooses to transform, it ADDS an effect.
Blue form adds more damage, and its placeable. Red form adds a knock up
He's empowering his abilities when he transforms. So he doesn't have a "1 second knock up and 1.5 second slow,"
Red kayn has that.
Kayn doesnt have "a w that does 60% of my health."
Blue kayn has that.
You gotta also realize that pre-transformation kayn is terrible, and the average transformation is at around 13 minutes last I checked. So for 13 minutes its just a slow with lackluster damage. after he transforms its either massive damage or a knockup/slow.
zoliking1 votesYeah, true. Instead of the slow, how about a 2000 hp true damage effect with another 2000-10000 true damage execute effect tacked on?