Can we get some number nerfs on Zyra please?

Only Mid Veigar·2/25/2019, 4:18:59 PM·2 votes·1,825 views

Just, as someone who also plays Dota, there's this neato hero they ripped off called Venomancer. His Plague Wards deal fixed damage, don't scale, and don't eat spells. They're full controllable, too.

They grant experience and much higher equivalent gold, and for good reason. They're spammable wards, but they do far less than Zyra's do.

Zyra's plants should likewise not block spells, and should not have the ward style of multiple hits to kill. They should be a fixed HP that can be deleted instantly if enough damage is applied. If they stay the way they are, they should die to INSTANCES of damage, not 'hits' eg. Zoe passive counting as more than one attack, since it's a separate instance of damage delivered simultaneously.

They should also have a much lower AP ratio, given that their base damage is absurd combined with their very fast attack speed.

Just speaking from a pure numbers perspective on a champion that should be a lot more difficult to play for what level of power she brings to the field, rather than simply spawning a dozen mini-turrets that all proc her spell damage effects. Her E->R combo does way too much for it's overall utility, and the enrage mechanic is dumb for her plants.

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CoolKnightST2/25/2019, 4:43:20 PM3 votes

Zyra has been nerfed enouge. What makes Zyra strong righ now has nothing todo with her own numbers. And she isn't even that overpowered to begin with. She's strong in the meta but that has it's own reasons:

  • item 3303 remains the primary reason why Zyra keeps getting nerfed. This bad designed items causes nerfs in the support role from day one. Everyone knowns it's a bad design for both the champions that suppose to use it Zyra and the champions that shouldn't be using it Soraka even Janna in some regard .
  • The support role has been overnerfed. This leaves overloaded like Thresh and strong early suppot like Zyra strong is the charts.
  • Zyra naturally feels strong in a snowbally situations. It doesn't exactly makes her overpowered. She has many weaknesses to exploit. Something that doesn't happen in lower MMR.

Zyra is fine, fixing the game state would even place her in the underpowered category add this point in time.

pureMJ3/16/2019, 7:10:09 PM2 votes

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Just, as someone who also plays Dota, there's this neato hero they ripped off called Venomancer. His Plague Wards deal fixed damage, don't scale, and don't eat spells. They're full controllable, too.

They grant experience and much higher equivalent gold, and for good reason. They're spammable wards, but they do far less than Zyra's do.

**Do you even understand how to compare damages in two different games? **>

Zyra's plants should likewise not block spells, and should not have the ward style of multiple hits to kill. They should be a fixed HP that can be deleted instantly if enough damage is applied. If they stay the way they are, they should die to INSTANCES of damage, not 'hits' eg. Zoe passive counting as more than one attack, since it's a separate instance of damage delivered simultaneously.

You are talking about taking away the main damage source of a champion that is supposed to be good at damage.

They should also have a much lower AP ratio, given that their base damage is absurd combined with their very fast attack speed.

Zyra plants already have absurdly low AP ratio, and their base damage is VERY small. Have you compared zyra plants damage with any other champion?

Just speaking from a pure numbers perspective on a champion that should be a lot more difficult to play for what level of power she brings to the field, rather than simply spawning a dozen mini-turrets that all proc her spell damage effects. Her E->R combo does way too much for it's overall utility, and the enrage mechanic is dumb for her plants.

Did you even try to play zyra? Her plants requires two skill to activate and don't last that long. It is also very difficult for zyra to make her plants attacking enemy champion, due to the fact that zyra skillshots are among those hardest to hit in the game. Please first played some ranked games with zyra and win before making blind comments.

No, zyra is very weak at the moment. She needs buff. if you look at the data, an average support with an average game of 5 beats an zyra with game of 200+ most of the time. Experienced zyra players are struggling.

5050BS3/18/2019, 10:09:24 AM1 votes

No and No

her Plants need fixed back to how they were in S5

Her Q needs to be an oval in shape

Her E needs to be 1.5s Root base and 2.5 at max level