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Can we nerf this ridiculous champ yet?

Alex h8721·9/18/2018, 6:51:24 PM·124 votes·21,933 views

Ever since the scuttle changes this abomination of a ranged, bruiser, burst adc w/ mobility has been running rampant in the jungle.

In plat + AND diamond+ has a winrate above 51%, along w/ banrates around 30% and pickrates around 20% in both these levels.

Yes the scuttle changes shifted the meta to favor graves, since he is strong dueling in the river over scuttles, however this champion just has too much, he has burst, sustained damage, mobility with an attached defensive steroid, and AOE utility from his smoke-screen (and I think people underestimate just how strong "nearsight" is in teamfights/skirmishes).

Maybe, just maybe graves should give up some of his burst, or tankyness for all the other benefits he gets from his kit.

When he's banned 3/10 games in plat+/diamond+, and picked 20% of the time when he's not banned that maybe should tell you that the champion is a bit too strong, just maybe.

84 Comments

Hammermancer9/18/2018, 6:55:10 PM47 votes

As dad would say

Not banning him was a Graves mistake

Saezio9/18/2018, 10:17:17 PM20 votes

Just remove stormrazor from the game while you are at it as well please

TheSingularity9/19/2018, 12:32:23 AM19 votes

How to crush graves jungle without crushing him in lane (where he's pretty weak and played only by those dedicated to it).

Remove. Knockback. Vs monsters.

Graves, is the only ranged champion in the game that gets this special treatment to make him jungle. Every other champ in the game with bonus' against jungle monsters, have those to prevent their spells from being broken vs champs (as without vs monsters the spells would need buffs). This stupid passive allows graves to effortlessly, easily and safely clear the jungle fast and healthy. Meanwhile tank/mage clears suck, and leave them at 50% health most of the time.

BLIGHTBRINGER9/19/2018, 12:31:21 AM14 votes

I personally find that his clearing is too strong, him knocking away monsters allows him to clear better than most junglers.

They need to do one of the following things:

##Reduce the Knockback Distance against Jungle Monsters

Which would allow other junglers to keep up in terms of clearing speed and prevent Graves from getting ahead every game, which leads to things such as (getting ahead in levels, snowballing easier, frequent ganks and so on).

##Reduce his Tankiness

Riot were playing around with balance around his tankiness in the past which didn't prove to be meaningful, but every champion needs to have a drawback or an obvious weakness.

##Reduce his Passive Damage

Reduce the damage from Passive basic attacks and place that damage elsewhere if Riot want to keep Graves in the high damage category.

Noor Sakata9/18/2018, 11:23:00 PM8 votes

imo Graves has been this strong even before the Scuttle changes , he just got more popular that time , people just realized how strong he is and started abusing him , imo ! Scuttle or not , his tankiness and his damage have been insane even before the changes , not to forget his mobility , and his W is one of the most annoying abilities in the game

Summonah123699/18/2018, 9:58:30 PM8 votes

Tbh I hate Draven Irelia Diana Veigar (just a few) way more than Graves, I barely hate Graves at all. Mostly due to lack of bad experience against him.

Wild Geese9/18/2018, 10:25:41 PM6 votes

The synergy with lifesteal or his HP growth+base up should be reduced.

It's a bit much he has tanky stats, drain tank mechanics, on top of a defensive steroid, and a blind.

His defenses need some weakness..

SugeMinPikk9/19/2018, 1:47:29 AM5 votes

Pretty sure graves hasn't dipped below 50% ever since scuttle changes lmao

Add929/19/2018, 12:22:36 AM5 votes

This needs to be upvoted . I logged in boards to complain about Graves TANKINESS due to his E stacks , and your post is sitting right here . Fate I guess .

If you burst this HARD , you shouldn't be able to survive this easily . The bonus resistances from his E are out of control .

I don't mind playing against a bursty champion or a tanky champion or a drain tank . I do mind playing against all three at the same time .

I just witnessed a graves FLASH IN 4 person , do his combo get a kill + 2 others extremely low , they CC'ed him and went off on him , he barely lost half his HP
and just walked away a 1V4 ?? His E is ridiculous not his damage .

Al Havoc9/19/2018, 3:44:17 PM3 votes

#revertgraves

He's honestly never been in a healthy state since his rework in the marksman and i don't think he ever will. Ive been playing graves a lot since pre rework and im lvl 7 with him now and i just dont understand the point of his new iteration over his old one. They should just revert and tweak some of his abilities imo to seperate him from lucian thematically but not completely rework him

BestPudgeNA9/19/2018, 12:51:42 AM3 votes

Graves doesn't need nerfs, Stormrazor needs nerfs and the 8.10 Jungle changes need to reverted.

SS Big Daddy9/19/2018, 8:15:14 PM2 votes

Jhin needa nerf

4th3t0s9/19/2018, 3:04:42 AM2 votes

Just revert him already

WoodenCreature9/20/2018, 9:26:50 AM1 votes

Irelia & akali should be their top priority in terms on changing atm those 2 abominations are picked or banned for the majority of the games.

bubbleji9/20/2018, 9:53:32 PM1 votes

Graves is a situational pick, Kai is better

TheUnrepentant9/19/2018, 3:46:05 AM1 votes

Or we could just fix the jungle. Get rid of this freaking scuttle meta.

Karcist9/19/2018, 5:27:37 AM1 votes

Grave has a strong shotgun blast but he has to reload his bullets to keep battling. I think that he can be beaten kind of easily. Thank you for listening.

Hammermancer9/19/2018, 10:58:02 AM1 votes

ok so...

I think they should encourage the bruiser playstyle, maybe by giving him an armor shred passive and changing how his scaling works.

the issue with graves has been his interaction with lethality right?