20% reduced damage smite needs to go

gubigubi·Dec 15, 2014·4 votes·1,242 views

It isn't fun to play against it. You can't out duel it. You cant even tell if you have been smited or not half the time. Every time I have run into it it feels terrible to play against.

Not even to mention +

17 Comments

Deep Terror NamiDec 15, 20144 votes

Shaco item 3715 summoner 11 summoner 3

gubigubiDec 15, 20141 votes

MasterYi item 3715 summoner 3 summoner 11 Trundle

insaiyanbaccaDec 15, 20141 votes

Aatrox item 3715 summoner 14 summoner 11

L0reweaverDec 15, 20141 votes

item 3706 also, i think this is the one you're trying to complain about. Much better on Yi, at least.

FyshinaTuxDec 15, 20142 votes

Not to mention that Exhaust itself feels like a HELL of a lot more reduction than just 50% (not saying it IS more... just feels like it... >.> )

disregardableDec 15, 20144 votes

I know, right? It feels like you instantly can do nothing and must attempt to disengage while horrifically slowed.

gubigubiDec 16, 20141 votes

And good luck doing that against Trundle with a botrk or MasterYi with his ult up.

RenailleDec 15, 20141 votes

{quoted} Not to mention that Exhaust itself feels like a HELL of a lot more reduction than just 50% (not saying it IS more... just feels like it... >.> )

Because it reduces your damage and attack speed, which has the effect of reducing non true damage from spells by 40% but your over all right click dps is reduced significantly more than 40%

FyshinaTuxDec 15, 20141 votes

I mean the spell damage, not the auto damage. But yea, you are correct about the auto DPS reduction.

L0reweaverDec 15, 20142 votes

um... summoner 14 summoner 3

if you're really hurting that bad you could always summoner 1 but who's going to not take summoner 4 oh, yeah. every jungler you're complaining about using summoner 11 summoner 3 has made the choice to sacrifice

gubigubiDec 16, 20141 votes

Flashes monstrously long cool down will not be up enough to help me duel the jungler who has item 3715 . And summoner 3 wasn't my main point it was just used in combo with to make dueling that jungler even worse. So most of the time they don't sacrifice summoner 4 and as a top lane main I have to sacrifice a combat summoner like summoner 14 or just to compete in top lane most situations to take summoner 12 .

L0reweaverDec 16, 20142 votes

I'm suggesting to take cleanse instead of flash. Cleanse has the same cooldown as exhaust so they cancel each other out. True, smite only has a 60 second cooldown but if the jungler is using it to smite champs he's not using it to farm. He also has to purchase an item to make the spell worthwhile for the purpose. When one thinks that the jungler has to purchase an item and then use both of his summoner spells summoner 11 summoner 3 to complete the combo and you can erase them with one of your summoner spells then i consider that pretty even game balance if not favored on the side of the laner. I actually see them doing something similar with the other summoner spells. How would you like it if to have ignite work at full power you have to purchase an ADC specific item? Or what if exhaust didn't give all it's effects until you purchased a support item? Or maybe you have to buy boots before flash gets it's full potential? There's already the distortion enchant for boots, i'm pretty sure they can expand on that.

The jungler has to make some pretty key decisions in order to get that combo to work properly. If, as you said; you can't even tell when you're smited i'm pretty sure this is a case of you not paying attention and making the right decisions to counter the jungler rather than it being a one sided broken spell.

gubigubiDec 16, 20141 votes

"I actually see them doing something similar with the other summoner spells. How would you like it if to have ignite work at full power you have to purchase an ADC specific item? Or what if exhaust didn't give all it's effects until you purchased a support item? Or maybe you have to buy boots before flash gets it's full potential?"

Having things like that in the game is such a lazy way to balance.

And you really want me to take summoner 1 instead of summoner 4 and get destroyed from ganks all game long on the top lane island + of having fewer escape options and engage options just on the assumption they will still take item 3715 after seeing me have .

I main Fiora so you need summoner 4 or you are dead every single gank, Its just not a viable option.

"If, as you said; you can't even tell when you're smited i'm pretty sure this is a case of you not paying attention and making the right decisions to counter the jungler rather than it being a one sided broken spell." broken item not not broken spell Theres really no decision to be made once The game loads up ether I took summoner 4 summoner 12 and now lose duels by default or I took put myself at a disadvantage anyways.

I shouldn't have to pick the lesser of 2 evils based on a jungle item that costs like 750 gold.

L0reweaverDec 16, 20141 votes

To be perfectly honest the best tactic you can do when facing an opponent with item 3715 is to bait them into smiting you and then avoiding them for 6 seconds. The smite itself does no damage. It give them vision of you and lets their attacks do bonus true damage and makes you do 20% less damage. Why in the holy hells are you trying to fight in that situation? If you're standing there trying to go one on one while this is active then that's just plain foolish and you have nobody to blame but yourself. In point of fact, the best tactic against any gank is to fall back to your turret so the jungler wastes his time on a failed gank. Also, how do you not see when you have challenging smite cast on you? There is a pair of floating eyes over your champion's sprite.

Again, cleanse wasn't to counter the item 3715 alone. It's a damn fine spell to have in general if you weren't so set in your strategy before the match even starts. Everyone only gets to pick two spells at the start of the game. It's not like you're being singled out here. Once again, in terms of balance the laner is at an advantage because the jungler is making the same choices in terms of summoner spells having to be selected at the start of the match but he's at the disadvantage that the jungler MUST take smite now if he wan't to reap full benefits of the jungle.

Basically, get over yourself and try something different. Besides, item 3706 offers a better smite choice in my opinion. If you're getting rocked by MasterYi item 3715 just wait until you play against a Does bonus true damage and cripples your movement speed so you can't escape the gank if you wanted to.

gubigubiDec 16, 20141 votes

The problem is the 20% damage reduction. A move speed slow literally has 0 effect on the fight if I am another melee dueler like I said I was. I'm done arguing this clearly nether of us are going to see each other points.

L0reweaverDec 16, 20141 votes

Fair enough. I will, at least; redouble (hehe fencing pun) my suggestion to try cleanse w/ fiora. I'm no pro but i feel like crowd control is one of her biggest counters. She has enough movement speed to escape most losing encounters w/out flash as long as she's not being slowed. She also doesn't really need the extra forward mobility of flash for engaging so cleanse is just an all around more useful spell that often goes overlooked.

Also, you may want to try using skirmisher's blade w/ devour on her. Fight fire with fire, if you will. It's actually viable in lane and she benefits from the fast attack speed and the bonus true damage on basic attacks.