Vayne ult vs. Kha'Zix ult

bvcderrttyyhjjjk··2 votes·1,329 views

Here is another situation in which kits are balanced incoherently to each other. I had already made a post wondering why Kalista spear stacks have no cap while Twithc poison does.

Why can Vayne have pretty much unlimited casts of her invisibility, while Kha'Zix only has two and has to evolve to get three? Back when he had damage reduction on his ult it made sense to cap its usage quite heavily, but now? Literally Kha'Zix ult only makes you invisible and gives a small move speed bonus. Vayne and Kha'Zix have ults that do pretty much the same thing, but Vayne's a lot better. Really, if you are gonna have two ultimates that do pretty much the same thing they should be balanced in pretty much the same way. Either nerf Vayne ult or buff Kha'Zix ult. It would only make sense.

21 Comments

EndlessSorcerer6 votes
  1. You can't compare champions by looking at one ability in isolation.
  2. You can't easily compare champions of completely difference archetypes (assassin vs ADC) in a single aspect.
MohawkBird2 votes

Well then again, it makes more sense for an assassin to have it than an ADC, right?

bvcderrttyyhjjjk1 votes

That's what I would think as well...

bvcderrttyyhjjjk1 votes

But I can considering that I mained Kha'Zix for a long time, and can't 1v1 an isolated ADC (Vayne) because her ulti is just the same as mine but more powerful. Kha'Zix is supposed to be able to 1v1 unsuspecting carries when they are isolated, that is his core identity. So why do I jump on Vayne and she can go invisible 5 times while I can only do it twice?

AND, like the guy below stated, it's an ability that makes a lot of sense on an assassin like Kha'Zix, but not really much on an already very strong ADC.

Dr Poro2 votes

Even worse is when you compare only part of an ability with part of another one.

Poptart Evelynn2 votes

Kha stealth is much more powerful than Vaynes due to his passive. Each reset adds a lot of damage and another slow on hit.

If you compare one skill to another than ofc they seem off. But when you factor in other parts of the kit it makes much more sense. Twitch can extend his AA to hit multiple targets at once from a much safer distance so it has a cap on it.

bvcderrttyyhjjjk1 votes

Kha'Zix' passive honestly applies a quite negligible amount of magic damage and a tiny, super short slow. Vayne can stay invisible for more, cast it more times, and combined with her Silver bolts she does a lot more damage by moving unpredictably and very fast as well. She is ranged champion.

Mandang02 votes

Please don't compare 1 spell to 1 spell without considering the rest of that champion's kit.

I can make Gangplank (yes, Gangplank!) look like a monster by comparing his ult to a lot of people's.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

I mean yeah, what kind of a champ can have a near global ult with a large AoE slow that deals damage to all enemies in the area? That's just totally OP :P

insaiyanbacca2 votes

its not even near global its flat out global

Creamy Seaman2 votes

Dude you have a bunch of vayne cock riders on the boards. She is the most powerful champion in the game and boards won't admit it because they are a bunch of gosu wannabes.

RumblesMeatballs2 votes

Vayne is the only hyper carry in the game that has a weak early game but strong mid-late game, she's actually pretty balanced for a hyper carry

they're working on getting Jinx to that level it seems but her early game is still way too safe for a hyper carry

2000boxes1 votes

Yasuo MasterYi ?

Starcall Casey1 votes

Kog'maw and Twitch both have weaker early and mid game's than vayne and they're both known and hyper carries.

RumblesMeatballs1 votes

oh yeah forgot Twitch lol sad since he's my main ADC xd idk if i'd call Kog a hyper carry but idk maybe i just haven't seen a proper Kog'Maw player and i'm not that great with him so i haven't seen his hyper carry potential

bvcderrttyyhjjjk1 votes

Comparing Vayne to Jinx?? Jinx has zero escapes. Vayne has a disengage, stealth, movespeed bonus, and tons of dodges...

RumblesMeatballs1 votes

yes? Jinx has her passive if she can get a kill or assist or destroying a tower/building, a slow, and a stun

Vayne has a short roll, stealth only if her ult is active, movespeed bonus ONLY if she's chasing an enemy champion (Edit: misread dodges as damage gg)

its called learning to play against the champion

bvcderrttyyhjjjk1 votes

Yeah. It gets me kinda sad when I see people defending champions even more broken than Vayne just because they like playing them and getting free kills...

3TWarrior1 votes

vayne can only gain invisibility while her ult is active and once every few seconds, khazix can reengage his ult instantly for another proc of his Q/passive damage

twitch's stacks also deal damage and kalista has a lower scaling per stack. kalista also can't invis for an instakill on unsuspecting carries/champs

bvcderrttyyhjjjk1 votes

Not true. Kha'Zix USED to be ables to instantly re-cast his stealth, but that was nerfed almost a year ago. He has to wait 2 seconds before casting it again, and the stealth itslef only lasts 1 second max.

3TWarrior1 votes

something else, as i'm sure many people have pointed out, The kits champions can use are limited to the programming mechanics of Adobe Air, and like most gameplay design, depend upon the model's position, a value to be included for damage or duration, a limited pool of status effects, such as "while status = X, movement = disabled" or something

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