So Zoe still hits disguistingly hard...

xelaker·Jan 15, 2018·10 votes·1,247 views

And it turns out her nerfs just made her slightly more awkward to use... Ya know this reminds me of another time when a champ just needed some numbers fine tuning and instead riot just made her a lil bit clunky. Can't remember who though, hmmm.

Worlds easiest fix Rito, don't have her Q do 1k damage if the champ is asleep. I know, I speak madness, but perhaps one day sensible patches will come out again.

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17 Comments

Bronze 6 YasuoJan 15, 20184 votes

Kill zoe

xelakerJan 15, 20183 votes

let me just plow past a 4 second cd hard cc, her kiting, an ult that (even though she comes back) gives her some breathing room, any summoner spells she picked up, her own summoner spells, any minions/monsters or terrain she has put between us (she's prob using a wall to add some range and safety to the fight, and 4 other champs without taking enough damage to die to her let alone the other champs and kill her. as the support.

so aside from the odd Olaf support game, or 10 way clown fiesta of a stomping I get about halfway to her before the adc and Zoe take turns hitting me with 1k explosions.

or she misses and zones off most moderate enclosures on the map because nobody wants to eat 1k of damage or get hit with the cc train that is sleep.

BârdJan 15, 20187 votes

Her hard CC

Only lasts 2 seconds.
Is cleansable.
Is single target.
is a skill shot.

Her kiting

Relies on landing her Sleep.
Relies on having ways to proc her W passive.

Her ult

Extends her reach.
Lets her dodge skill shots.
Gives up any chance of escape if used to try and open a gap.

So yeah, killing her is hardly impossible. There are plenty of ways to beat her.

Send two people to dive the Zoe.
Get cleanse/QSS or have your support buy Mikaels.
Dodge the damn sleep.
Buy a Banshees or Edge of Night and rush her ass.
Don't leave her a trail of flashes and ghostblades.
Make a play on your own champion. It's not like every champion in the game other than Zoe is on par with Nunu or Garen. Land a Thresh hook, have Camille or J4 dive on her, pick Lee and Insec her, Snipe her as Ashe, etc.

Dope SoloJan 15, 20183 votes

Rito "Zoe's damage is too high? Lets rework everything except damage." [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Troll for TrumpJan 15, 20183 votes

Her entire identity is boiled down to "oneshot you or you oneshot me" That's what her kit does. The joker card is her W.

Ok sure but whyJan 15, 201811 votes

That's why she should have never been given such a kit in the first place

Troll for TrumpJan 15, 20183 votes

Yes, but that's why you can't nerf her damage.

SwiftKitten88Jan 15, 20183 votes

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Her entire identity is boiled down to "oneshot you or you oneshot me" That's what her kit does. The joker card is her W.

and yet she can do it from an entire screen away, while if u ever even try to get close you take a bubble to the face.. sounds fair..

Troll for TrumpJan 15, 20181 votes

If you're that close, she'd probably already be dead.

CrazFight Jan 15, 20182 votes

I actually used to play TONS of akali, she was my go to mid/top champ. After the e change tho, I stopped playing her. It just felt like a fucking awful change. I just simply can't play her anymore after that change.

Hexs FortuneJan 15, 20181 votes

Lets just call it what it is, the changes give opponents more time to react to her combo pure and simple.

I believe it is warranted as she is right now the poster child for champs that are frustrating to play against . Further changes will come if needed.

xelakerJan 15, 20181 votes

Can't react to anything if I'm asleep...

RexxieeJan 15, 20181 votes

As annoying as zoe is, the poke/1 shot is literally all she does, so if she couldnt do that she would be fairly useless.

And they did nerf her decently already, they removed the least counterplay 1 shot combo she had Q Q into R at last second, now you have to R way earlier which telegraphs that shes going to try to 1 shot you.

CHODES AND LOADSJan 15, 20184 votes

As annoying as zoe is, the poke/1 shot is literally all she does, so if she couldnt do that she would be fairly useless.

because her design is complete garbage

OleandervineJan 15, 20182 votes

I agree with this. People have claimed she was designed well, but when you have a gimmick so critical to the well being of the kit, so ingrained to the point that touching any part of it causes complete collapse, you have a BADLY DESIGNED KIT. Sure, CertainlyT knows how to make some fun gimmicks, but it's like 90% of the time if he's left on his own, his kits end up like this and someone else needs to rework them. Zoe's W is the biggest pot hole in her entire kit. Because it doesn't really do anything, but has a massive potential to everything, it leaves all the power to be funneled into her Q and E and R. Considering that R is basically just another way to make Q operate, this leaves all of her power into Q and E. This is not good, because stripping a kit of all it's versatility by having so intensely tunneled into 2 ability cripples everything around the kit. W needs to be a real ability that actually does something. Power needs to be divested from Q and E and channeled into W so that she has more than 1 tool at her disposal. I don't care if it's as simple as just an active effect that's the small speed burst and the shooty bubbles like when she uses a Summoner or item active, just SOMETHING to give concrete power to so that the rest of her can be balanced properly.

FireDrizzleJan 15, 20181 votes

Her E is too easy to land, Morg Q is actually hard to land.

xelakerJan 15, 20181 votes

eh give or take on this. I'd say they are relatively close, except morg isn't gonna one shot anything that isn't a tank (in general, super fed morgs aside)