Riot said AP Kog will get nerfs if he's ever strong

Rebonack··3 votes·429 views

Marksmen Kog is a mess right now since the itemization changes have not been kind to him (compounded by all the other inexplicable nerfs he ate).

And all the other hyper carries are doing pretty great right now. Jinx, Twitch, Vayne. So given that the game is apparently being kind to late game scalers at the moment, you would think that would favor Kog, right?

Right!?

But nope. The only Marksmen he out-performs is Kalista, and she was intentionally dumpstered until she gets some kind of remake. He's also down in the bottom five least played champions, keeping Urgot and Galio company.

Riot said they think this current form of Kog is 'a healthy form' for him. But I flatly disagree. I've been saying for years that Kog's kit is being pulled in three different directions and he needs at least a partial remake to focus him. The problem only became really distinct with the release of Jinx, since she does basically everything he does better with the exception of %HP. So Vayne is the better tank buster, Jinx is the better long range auto-attacker, and Ezreal (and Corki, and Varus) all do the long range poke deal better.

So basically Kog does a shitty job of three different things, while also being the most vulnerable Marksmen (or Mage, if you roll that way) in the game.

The state Kog is in right now?

Not healthy.

He's in the same boat as Urgot and Galio. Parts of his kit have to be intentionally nerfed to prevent them from being abused. He has a non-existant play rate. His base model looks absolutely dreadful and totally out of touch with all the other Void beasties. The guy needs a full VGU, or at the very least some major touchups.

And might I offer a suggestion to any Rioters that might be in here? If Kog ever does get any attention, focus on his resist shredding. Let him be the resist eating Marksmen. A new Passive and a remade Q (and a remade R if you're getting really ambitious) would do it. It fits with his acid theme. It's something no one else really does aside from Trundle. And best of all it would fit perfectly with the niche Riot keeps saying they want Kog to fill, as the glue that holds low damage high utility teams together.

So come on, Riot. Throw us a bone here. You've jerked around Kog players for a year now. You've ignored our voices when we've warned you what dumping all of Kog's kit power into W would result in. We just want to provide some input on our favorite champ. Talk to us.

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paperbIade1 votes

where did riot said that

Rebonack1 votes

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where did riot said that

Over in the most recent talk with the playtesters thread.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Link it or it's bullshit.

Rebonack1 votes

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Link it or it's bullshit.

There are more polite ways to request information. But sure, why not?

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Kog'Maw is supposed to be a spellweaving ADC similarly to Corki & Lucian, but he's supposed to scale hard.

From what I understand AP Kog is not something that is loved by designers because he's pretty much the definition of unhealthy when he's strong, so if he gets too overbearing I would expect nerfs.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Okay thank you.

Very Hard Engage1 votes

lets punish a whole build because people can consecutively land skill shot after skill shot because it takes 5 hits to kill anyone with 0 mr.....

that was all the issue, anyone who went ap kog clearly had the skill to pull it off and they deserve it, all while still maintaining a 50-50 win rate because it still gets insta gibbed.

Big Lincoln1 votes

riot is retards nothing we can do

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