Give east coast players an advantage since we have to deal with crippling ping.

Op2cyjUvuN·Oct 7, 2014·66 votes·8,785 views

I have played on high Diamond on NA and LAN (if you think my s4/s3 Diamond wasn't legit... then my s2 Diamond should suffice).

Even though in LAN the skill of players are worse, having a ping drop from 135 to 37 is massive. Not only is CSing, animation canceling, dodging skillshots, hitting skillshots, and walljumps are all easier... it also makes the game much smoother and fun.

I understand you are either too lazy or greedy to give us a viable server, but the least you can do is even out the playing field in some way.

Take a look at this image: http://i.imgur.com/5OCTGvh.jpg

From both a personal experience, and from information that is available, it is obvious that if you live on the west coast... you have an advantage.

You cannot call yourself a competitive game until the majority of your population isn't struggling with third world pings.

Give us a gold advantage, or add a turn rate onto west coast players.

(BTW LoL in China has 27 servers across just that single country)

121 Comments

OyddAWqJ5rOct 7, 201412 votes

LOL. Ping high bonus gold plox

CommandShockwaveOct 7, 201411 votes

Give us a gold advantage, or add a turn rate onto west coast players.

You really don't understand how this stuff works, do you...

Not only is it a TERRIBLE idea (lets make everyone have less fun, so we don't have to be alone!) , but it would be virtually impossible to even implement into the game.

Ruining the game feel for the entire other side of the continent is not how anyone with half a brain would address this problem.

Op2cyjUvuNOct 7, 201410 votes

Give us a gold advantage, or add a turn rate onto west coast players.

You really don't understand how this stuff works, do you...

Not only is it a TERRIBLE idea (lets make everyone have less fun, so we don't have to be alone!) , but it would be virtually impossible to even implement into the game.

Ruining the game feel for the entire other side of the continent is not how anyone with half a brain would address this problem.

You can find a players location based off IP.

Adding a built in 100ms delay would just give everybody a even playing field.

If 100ms would ruin the game for west coasters, then why do people from the east play it?

You just want your freelo.

CommandShockwaveOct 7, 201410 votes

Wait, it's I See Stars...

I feel silly for taking this thread seriously. Bye.

Rock RockburghOct 24, 20141 votes

Is this guy well-known, then? The general concept seems clear enough to me, even if some of his suggestions are a bit extreme.

CommandShockwaveOct 24, 20141 votes

Is this guy well-known, then? The general concept seems clear enough to me, even if some of his suggestions are a bit extreme.

He was permanently banned for drop-hacking, and tried to make a massive deal about it, even after being shut-down publicly by reds multiple times.

MjaxonOct 7, 20143 votes

Ruining the game feel for the entire other side of the continent is not how anyone with half a brain would address this problem.

It's worked for Riot so far.

ZaikyoOct 8, 20143 votes

While I agree with you that OP is an idiot making a troll suggestion, I have to point out...the "game feel" is already pretty dumb for half the continent. It's getting worse as time goes passes too, which makes it all the more awesome. In 2010, I'd expect to see around 80-90 ping at any given time on any given day. Now, If I'm at 130 I'm lucky, as it tends to sit around 150. I'm only living in Ohio...it's not like I'm that far away.

Imagine, just for a moment, that Riot moves the servers to East coast for the next 4 years. The outrage, that would cause.

Jack PetersonOct 7, 20148 votes

I saw them talk about this but is it ever happening? Maybe s5? Im about to hit gold and in now way do I blame my high 95-110 ping for being low elo, Im just curious to see if it would actually make a big difference in my play with lower ping.

Dragonbone SofaOct 8, 20142 votes

Sure, it can make a noticeable difference, but if youre not high diamond there are probably WAAAY more things you could improve to get better instead of blaming ping for your lack of elo. but now that i reread your comment thats exactly what you said. lol

DehornOct 7, 20145 votes

im gold 4 with 110 ping. by that image i estimate my true rank to be diamond 5 50lp.

I rly suckOct 7, 20145 votes

Plat 4 with 106 ping. It isn't fun...

Jesus is SaviorOct 7, 201421 votes

Plat 4 with 106 ping. It isn't fun...

dat feel when you hear your zhonya button click, and then see a gray screen

SintobusOct 7, 20144 votes

When it goes on cooldown but the client shows it's not on cooldown for everything thats a clutch active.

clickheadOct 7, 20145 votes

Plat 5 with 115 ping. Oooooh Canada!

SoulsieOct 8, 20147 votes

Plat 5 with 115 ping. Oooooh Canada!

I feel ya. Ontario represent! You east coasters think you got it so rough, try being NORTHeast.

RysterOct 7, 20145 votes

If you are going to use stats, use recent stats, not all time.

In the past month, the average ping for challengers is 67 ping. And seeing that there are so many challengers who are pro players living in CA, there must be people above that line with ~100 ping who have made it into challenger to even out the average to 67.

I understand it sucks having a small amount of extra ping, but it is not holding anyone back from being challenger if they are good enough.

http://www.elophant.com/league-of-legends/charts/tier?region=na&period=month

NeroUSOct 7, 201411 votes

#1 Most of the pros are from the west coast because they have an advantage on the ladders and so are more easily drafted to pro teams

#2 Faker would still be challenger if he lived in NY; however, given two equally skilled players, it is possible that the one that lived on the West Coast would be Challenger and the one on the East Coast would be D1

ChargeItDownMidOct 7, 20145 votes

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RysterOct 7, 20143 votes

1 month of stats is enough imo. It shows what it is like now, in Challenger, and not what it was. It is possible now to get into challenger with east coast ping.

I also believe All Time stats are being skewed by something, seeing it is a full 30 ping below any monthly stat I have seen so far. Last month, I remember looking at the average monthly ping and it was around 80.

Either way, it is still possible to get into Challenger if you are good enough, ping is a very small factor. Especially if you are used to your ping.

I Main SwainOct 7, 20145 votes

I understand you are either too lazy or greedy to give us a viable server, but the least you can do is even out the playing field in some way.

I wish I could downvote this to infinity just because of that statement. you realize how ignorant that is? you realize that riot is working, and has said CONSTANTLY that they are working, towards fixing this problem, and yet you people act like they are sitting back laughing. just as bad, you act as if their entire staff is responsible for working on this problem. they have various teams for various projects, it would take a god to have all the knowledge and skill to do everything that their company does alone.

and btw, 100 ping is not bad. 200+ ping is bad. I play with between 60-140 ping every game (below that is unheard of here so don't act like its something everyone has) and I don't have problems almost at all. you remember when they used to show the ping of everyone in loading? you remember how 100 was still in the green? you know why that is? because its really not bad. I will listen to people complain about stuff like this when they play games with 2 fps (and yes I have had to do that, got a quadrakill the last time).

raging aside, (sry im just pissed that this is all ive been seeing for the past couple weeks) just be patient, its not like they aren't working on it. and don't act like theyre just lazy, horrible people because you aren't getting what you want yet.

Op2cyjUvuNOct 7, 201410 votes

I understand you are either too lazy or greedy to give us a viable server, but the least you can do is even out the playing field in some way.

I wish I could downvote this to infinity just because of that statement. you realize how ignorant that is? you realize that riot is working, and has said CONSTANTLY that they are working, towards fixing this problem, and yet you people act like they are sitting back laughing. just as bad, you act as if their entire staff is responsible for working on this problem. they have various teams for various projects, it would take a god to have all the knowledge and skill to do everything that their company does alone.

and btw, 100 ping is not bad. 200+ ping is bad. I play with between 60-140 ping every game (below that is unheard of here so don't act like its something everyone has) and I don't have problems almost at all. you remember when they used to show the ping of everyone in loading? you remember how 100 was still in the green? you know why that is? because its really not bad. I will listen to people complain about stuff like this when they play games with 2 fps (and yes I have had to do that, got a quadrakill the last time).

raging aside, (sry im just pissed that this is all ive been seeing for the past couple weeks) just be patient, its not like they aren't working on it. and don't act like theyre just lazy, horrible people because you aren't getting what you want yet.

They said they were working on it back in 2009, it has been 5 years. This is not something that has just come up, people have been begging for this for so many years and we just get ignored.

100 ping is bad, most games will not let you join a game with a ping over 100. I also get 53 ping on both Dota and CS, so 60 ping is not "unheard of". The ping being green has nothing to do with it being good it not, of course Riot is going to make you think it is good by giving you a color that looks good.

I would rather have 60 ping and a solid 25fps than what I have now (130ping and 300+fps).

pap pap BIIIIIIDOct 8, 20141 votes

Slurp! Slurp! How's Riot's manmilk, you limpwrist?

I Main SwainOct 8, 20143 votes

that is probably the weirdest and creepiest thing ive ever heard anybody say. please just go back under the bridge and scare children.

HipsterVegetaOct 7, 20145 votes

I don't understand the toxicity in this thread. Honestly all the East Coast players are asking for is Equality. Would you pick a handicap if you had the choice between on or not? You can get to challenger or wherever you want no matter where you live (Give or take if you are trying to play on NA from EU or something haha) but still why would anyone want a disadvantage in a competitive game? All I am saying is that there should be a server on the East Coast to compensate. It isn't an obscene proposition. I don't feel Riot is greedy or anything of the sort I just would like to point out that for the past few years they have been trying to address the issue from their end in Cali when just adding an East Coast server would solve most of the issues.

EtriehOct 7, 20144 votes

This is the single most stupid idea ive ever heard. Anything under 100 ping is no delay btw, so 80 and 30 is pretty much no different. Stop feeling entitled to shit.

Op2cyjUvuNOct 7, 201420 votes

This is the single most stupid idea ive ever heard. Anything under 100 ping is no delay btw, so 80 and 30 is pretty much no different. Stop feeling entitled to shit.

100 ping is a 100ms delay.

Do you not understand how ping works?

EtriehOct 7, 20143 votes

This is the single most stupid idea ive ever heard. Anything under 100 ping is no delay btw, so 80 and 30 is pretty much no different. Stop feeling entitled to shit.

100 ping is a 100ms delay.

Do you not understand how ping works?

Thatz why people sit here at 30 ping, 80 ping and 50 ping and dont feel anything? You need to learn about ping yourself. The effects only appear over 100.

Op2cyjUvuNOct 7, 201410 votes

This is the single most stupid idea ive ever heard. Anything under 100 ping is no delay btw, so 80 and 30 is pretty much no different. Stop feeling entitled to shit.

100 ping is a 100ms delay.

Do you not understand how ping works?

Thatz why people sit here at 30 ping, 80 ping and 50 ping and dont feel anything? You need to learn about ping yourself. The effects only appear over 100.

Okay, start up a League game and hold Control + F. Look up at the top right. Notice how it says "Ping (ms): xx". That is the ping you have to the server.

The ping is the time it takes for you to send a packet from the server, and for you to receive the same packet.

10 ping is 10ms delay 50 ping is 50ms delay 1000 ping is 1 second delay and so forth.

If "ping doesn't matter", why would it be so bad to just add a 100ms delay to west coast users, I mean you guys say it would be impossible to notice a difference.

EtriehOct 7, 20143 votes

This is the single most stupid idea ive ever heard. Anything under 100 ping is no delay btw, so 80 and 30 is pretty much no different. Stop feeling entitled to shit.

100 ping is a 100ms delay.

Do you not understand how ping works?

Thatz why people sit here at 30 ping, 80 ping and 50 ping and dont feel anything? You need to learn about ping yourself. The effects only appear over 100.

Okay, start up a League game and hold Control + F. Look up at the top right. Notice how it says "Ping (ms): xx". That is the ping you have to the server.

The ping is the time it takes for you to send a packet from the server, and for you to receive the same packet.

10 ping is 10ms delay 50 ping is 50ms delay 1000 ping is 1 second delay and so forth.

If "ping doesn't matter", why would it be so bad to just add a 100ms delay to west coast users, I mean you guys say it would be impossible to notice a difference.

You obviously dont understand how miniscule the difference is and how much ping it requires to even feel the effects... i played a 80 forever, got a better connection, play at 20 and felt literally no difference. We only notice it when there is enough time between input and action.

Op2cyjUvuNOct 7, 20146 votes

This is the single most stupid idea ive ever heard. Anything under 100 ping is no delay btw, so 80 and 30 is pretty much no different. Stop feeling entitled to shit.

100 ping is a 100ms delay.

Do you not understand how ping works?

Thatz why people sit here at 30 ping, 80 ping and 50 ping and dont feel anything? You need to learn about ping yourself. The effects only appear over 100.

Okay, start up a League game and hold Control + F. Look up at the top right. Notice how it says "Ping (ms): xx". That is the ping you have to the server.

The ping is the time it takes for you to send a packet from the server, and for you to receive the same packet.

10 ping is 10ms delay 50 ping is 50ms delay 1000 ping is 1 second delay and so forth.

If "ping doesn't matter", why would it be so bad to just add a 100ms delay to west coast users, I mean you guys say it would be impossible to notice a difference.

You obviously dont understand how miniscule the difference is and how much ping it requires to even feel the effects... i played a 80 forever, got a better connection, play at 20 and felt literally no difference. We only notice it when there is enough time between input and action.

Average human reaction time is 230ms.

TIL a 45% increase in reaction time is "no different".

And I love how you just confirmed you were a west coasting, you just want to keep your disgusting advantage.

EtriehOct 7, 20144 votes

2 buddies of mine on east coast have 60-70 ping... they play fine. My friend with 110 ping just hit diamond. Ping doesnt = skill so pull your head out of your ass.

Op2cyjUvuNOct 7, 201415 votes

2 buddies of mine on east coast have 60-70 ping... they play fine. My friend with 110 ping just hit diamond. Ping doesnt = skill so pull your head out of your ass.

Did I say you could not hit diamond if you were on east coast? No I did not.

I said west coast has a distinct advantage, and your comment is 100% irrelevant.

EtriehOct 7, 20141 votes

2 buddies of mine on east coast have 60-70 ping... they play fine. My friend with 110 ping just hit diamond. Ping doesnt = skill so pull your head out of your ass.

This is the single most stupid idea ive ever heard. Anything under 100 ping is no delay btw, so 80 and 30 is pretty much no different. Stop feeling entitled to shit.

100 ping is a 100ms delay.

Do you not understand how ping works?

Thatz why people sit here at 30 ping, 80 ping and 50 ping and dont feel anything? You need to learn about ping yourself. The effects only appear over 100.

Okay, start up a League game and hold Control + F. Look up at the top right. Notice how it says "Ping (ms): xx". That is the ping you have to the server.

The ping is the time it takes for you to send a packet from the server, and for you to receive the same packet.

10 ping is 10ms delay 50 ping is 50ms delay 1000 ping is 1 second delay and so forth.

If "ping doesn't matter", why would it be so bad to just add a 100ms delay to west coast users, I mean you guys say it would be impossible to notice a difference.

You obviously dont understand how miniscule the difference is and how much ping it requires to even feel the effects... i played a 80 forever, got a better connection, play at 20 and felt literally no difference. We only notice it when there is enough time between input and action.

Average human reaction time is 230ms.

TIL a 45% increase in reaction time is "no different".

And I love how you just confirmed you were a west coasting, you just want to keep your disgusting advantage.

Btw Riot wont give us absurd amounts of ping or give you some sort of stupid compensation Sry brosky

Op2cyjUvuNOct 7, 20147 votes

2 buddies of mine on east coast have 60-70 ping... they play fine. My friend with 110 ping just hit diamond. Ping doesnt = skill so pull your head out of your ass.

This is the single most stupid idea ive ever heard. Anything under 100 ping is no delay btw, so 80 and 30 is pretty much no different. Stop feeling entitled to shit.

100 ping is a 100ms delay.

Do you not understand how ping works?

Thatz why people sit here at 30 ping, 80 ping and 50 ping and dont feel anything? You need to learn about ping yourself. The effects only appear over 100.

Okay, start up a League game and hold Control + F. Look up at the top right. Notice how it says "Ping (ms): xx". That is the ping you have to the server.

The ping is the time it takes for you to send a packet from the server, and for you to receive the same packet.

10 ping is 10ms delay 50 ping is 50ms delay 1000 ping is 1 second delay and so forth.

If "ping doesn't matter", why would it be so bad to just add a 100ms delay to west coast users, I mean you guys say it would be impossible to notice a difference.

You obviously dont understand how miniscule the difference is and how much ping it requires to even feel the effects... i played a 80 forever, got a better connection, play at 20 and felt literally no difference. We only notice it when there is enough time between input and action.

Average human reaction time is 230ms.

TIL a 45% increase in reaction time is "no different".

And I love how you just confirmed you were a west coasting, you just want to keep your disgusting advantage.

Btw Riot wont give us absurd amounts of ping or give you some sort of stupid compensation Sry brosky

I have half the west coasters saying 100ms is not noticeable and the other half saying it's unplayable.

lmao

Jarl Log RegnusOct 8, 20141 votes

You clearly don't understand this at all. 30 ms ping time means it takes 30 ms from the server to you, and then 30 ms back to the server, so 60 ms travel time in addition to your reaction time. 100 ms ping time means 200 ms total travel time in addition to your reaction time.

Now, 60 ms is nothing compared to 200 ms.

FiorinolOct 8, 20143 votes

You clearly don't understand this at all. 30 ms ping time means it takes 30 ms from the server to you, and then 30 ms back to the server, so 60 ms travel time in addition to your reaction time. 100 ms ping time means 200 ms total travel time in addition to your reaction time.

Now, 60 ms is nothing compared to 200 ms.

Actually, you are wrong, ping measures roundtrip time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ping_(networking_utility)

I Main SwainOct 7, 20142 votes

it is literally 1/10 second delay. I will eat a brick before I believe that is causing serious issues.

do you not understand how ping works?

Op2cyjUvuNOct 7, 20149 votes

it is literally 1/10 second delay. I will eat a brick before I believe that is causing serious issues.

do you not understand how ping works?

The average human reaction time is 230ms. So you are saying a 45% increase in reaction time is not a "serious issue".

PigCheeseOct 7, 20142 votes

also more then the probglem with direct ping issues there's usually a lot of packet loss with it as well I use to average 200 ping or more every game and I sometimes had a lot more issues with 70-100 ping then when I had several games with 800 ping because I had packet loss in the games with 70 ping and no packet loss with the 800 ping. So if you add your reaction time plus ping and then random packet loss everywhere you get tons of issues. I think there is a huge differnce between 10-50 ping 70-120 ping and 120-220 ping and then if you add that it pisses you off and when it's already easy to get mad at your team and go on tilt it really makes the game less fun.

Also I've seen a stream of a pro player talking about how huge the differnce between korean internet which is litterally single digit ping like 4-12 and there 50 or so ping and how laggy they think 100 ping is then come tell me how little 100 ping is. The thing about ping is 1) the delay can't even really be completly noticed because you click somewhere to walk and then some guy shoots the skill shot and you don't even see that the skill shot is going where your going until the delay is ended and then you've already walked into the skill shot. 2) you can press a button like actives and it won't go last game I had to press my tp on about 30 times and on 5 differnt structures in my base and several minions for the game to notice and start tping. I was lower mid bot lane and my guy walked almost to my base before it would go off to the point that tping any later would have been stupid since I would be able to almost walk there just as fast. 3) lag spikes. When you go 10/0 in lane with tristinia and then every single teamfight when the j4 and fiddlesticks ult from out of view and then that causes you to lag for 5 seconds every single teamfight it gets pretty old and makes you lose tons of games.

BearticOct 7, 20143 votes

That feeling when you can't hit a ryze q,w, or e at max range cuz they are in range on you screen but by the time it regisers they are out of range. same with bork, i can never use bork with 120 ping. they are always out of range

Sona GodOct 7, 20143 votes

I am a player who is Gold 5 and living in Florida. I exist at 120 ping roughly.
Sure, 12/100ths of a second is "nothing"... however you forget how this whole thing works.
Server says "oh thing coming at you" (120ms) you recognize and start to move (200ms?) the server recognizes that you moved (120ms)

so... that little ping makes your response time about half a second... compared to Mr. West Coast with 30 ping... who can respond in quarter of a second.

CharrendOct 7, 20142 votes

Oh I guess you're unbanned now huh.

On that note, I agree completely, 120-150 ping constantly is a big issue.

ADC BardOct 7, 20142 votes

inb4 someone links that thing Commando Yi posted on GD proving that Riot are the opposite of greedy.

D1rtFarmerOct 8, 20142 votes

So for all those claiming this is an excuse to play poorly. Is that graph a coincidence? Just so happens the better your connection the higher your rank?... thats like playing call of duty with lag. Not to mention.. If you're getting beat by somebody of equal skill level And their reaction time is crippled by a delay. Perhaps You should be making excuses about your skill level. Only winning cause you play handicapped opponents.. sounds Interesting

BlazinHot6Oct 9, 20142 votes

Everyone here is entitled to their opinion on this server issue. Personally, I refuse to buy RP from Riot until my ping is below 80ms. I have a serious gaming PC and 35MB/s internet connection, so the issue falls on them. Im also as far east as you can get in the continental US.

TavaraOct 8, 20141 votes

I'm in central US with 106 ping all the time. There's no reason a gaming server for NA should be on the west coast. That's a terrible idea. There needs to be a server in central US, somewhere like Dallas, TX. This would make the most fair pings for the most of NA. It's better to have east and west coast players with an average of 80 ping and central players with lets say a 45 ping average than to screw over the central and east coast players. This will bring the overall combined ping down by a considerable amount for each match instead of giving all advantages to west side players and gradually disadvantaging players as you get further east. No location will be perfect for everyone, as ping != distance.. but putting the server in a location central to the players is a basic concept I figured RIOT would understand. Why isn't this taken care of, despite the game being out for so many years and being so popular?

KinjishiOct 8, 20142 votes

"There needs to be a server in central US, somewhere like Dallas, TX. This would make the most fair pings for the most of NA."

Oh, then people will just complain about how Dallas and South Central US get the best ping instead of the West Coast. People will always find something to gripe about.

TavaraOct 8, 20141 votes

That's true, but it would still be the most logical location to host a server because it means on average lower pings for everyone than the current situation.