Should Fiora be allowed to do % max hp true damage, have 300+ AD, and 3k HP with 3 items

IAMS4T4N·Feb 1, 2016·3 votes·578 views

she went 0/3 in lane, then got and carried the game by snowballing out of control when her team set her up for 1 kill

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Woook3rFeb 1, 20163 votes

the number of champions that can go 0/3 in lane and then carry the game is much larger than just fiora.

IAMS4T4NFeb 1, 20162 votes

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the number of champions that can go 0/3 in lane and then carry the game is much larger than just fiora.

but i can counterbuild them

Woook3rFeb 1, 20161 votes

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but i can counterbuild them

u need annie to deal with her i guess. Or try a champ that can build ryalias and just slow her all game. She can still dash, but if she misses a dash in because you slowed her then she doesnt get the reset.

Critmaster GarenFeb 1, 20163 votes

should vayne be allowed to get 12% off her w every 3 auto attacks, including her e, and the auto attack resets from her q? even against semi tanky targets like bruisers she deals 50% of her damage in true damage right now.

its really a lot easer and less risky for her to get that damage than for fiora.

also, those 3 items dont give fiora 300+ ad. this should give her around 200 ad, maybe a little bit above.

IAMS4T4NFeb 1, 20161 votes

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should vayne be allowed to get 12% off her w every 3 auto attacks, including her e, and the auto attack resets from her q? even against semi tanky targets like bruisers she deals 50% of her damage in true damage right now.

its really a lot easer and less risky for her to get that damage than for fiora.

also, those 3 items dont give fiora 300+ ad. this should give her around 200 ad, maybe a little bit above.

vayne doesn't have an as/ms slow, an aoe heal, and the riposte fiora has.

oh and last time i checked vaynes true damage doesn't scale with her ad

Critmaster GarenFeb 1, 20161 votes

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vayne doesn't have an as/ms slow, an aoe heal, and the riposte fiora has.

oh and last time i checked vaynes true damage doesn't scale with her ad

no, vaynes true damage doesnt scale with her ad and she just gets it on her fucking auto attacks which are easier to apply since theyre ranged. no need for complicated positioning and keeping track of where her passive spawned in a 5v5 teamfight when everything is overloaded with particles.

also no. she doesnt need to build ad to deal the same true damage as fiora. she just has to rank up w. youre absolutely right.

this isnt even exaggerated. vayne deals an absurd amount of damage right now. the only reason she hasnt rework skarner level winrate right now, is because the game is so heavily early game focused and ends very soon.

DeathBurstFeb 1, 20161 votes

It scales with her AS, Fiora's True Damage doesn't. They scale differently, but they both scale...

(I'm not taking side in this debate... Just wanted to correct the technical details...)

Critmaster GarenFeb 1, 20161 votes

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It scales with her AS, Fiora's True Damage doesn't. They scale differently, but they both scale...

(I'm not taking side in this debate... Just wanted to correct the technical details...)

just pissed at the champion. at least you can qss fioras ult or hit her with a slow to prevent her from getting the damage. locking her up is also easier since she has to get into melee one way or another and its easier to stay out of her range. you can hug a wall and hide the vital in a spot she cant reach.

with vayne you can only really blow her up with assassins before she knows what happens, or youre fucked because she starts going invisible, kiting and self peeling.

i still dont understand why they make certain lategame hypercarries like vayne and jinx able to 1v1 and self peel so well, while others like twitch and kog need the protection of their team to do anything. thats how its supposed to work imo.

DeathBurstFeb 1, 20161 votes

Once again, not taking side...

Twitch isn't a late-game hyper-carry since the Marksmen Roster Update. He's supposed to be played as an opportunistic assassin-y marksman.

Kog'maw's damage is much higher than even Vayne or Jinx. And Jinx "self-peel" is very conditional... You can blink over it, dodge it, rush at her before it can arm, etc.

Vayne does have good self-peel/dueling power, but she is much less safe than Jinx in team-fights, with a much shorter aa range.

Critmaster GarenFeb 1, 20161 votes

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Once again, not taking side...

Twitch isn't a late-game hyper-carry since the Marksmen Roster Update. He's supposed to be played as an opportunistic assassin-y marksman.

Kog'maw's damage is much higher than even Vayne or Jinx. And Jinx "self-peel" is very conditional... You can blink over it, dodge it, rush at her before it can arm, etc.

Vayne does have good self-peel/dueling power, but she is much less safe than Jinx in team-fights, with a much shorter aa range.

jinx self peel has multiple components. the ghost on her passive (insanely easy to trigger by assists with aoe rockets), her mines, the 70% slow on her q.

you can flash one of those, but not all 3.

and vayne might be less safe than jinx, but she has so much item indpendent damage in her kit for an adc, its just stupid. this basically guarantees that she scales heavy into lategame with 1 or 2 completed items.

and even though shes a little bit less safe than jinx, she still really very safe due to her mobility, e and stealth.

IAMS4T4NFeb 1, 20161 votes

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jinx self peel has multiple components. the ghost on her passive (insanely easy to trigger by assists with aoe rockets), her mines, the 70% slow on her q.

you can flash one of those, but not all 3.

and vayne might be less safe than jinx, but she has so much item indpendent damage in her kit for an adc, its just stupid. this basically guarantees that she scales heavy into lategame with 1 or 2 completed items.

and even though shes a little bit less safe than jinx, she still really very safe due to her mobility, e and stealth.

you're obviously drunk, you need to go to bed

Critmaster GarenFeb 1, 20161 votes

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you're obviously drunk, you need to go to bed

ive played both champions. and theyre stupidly easy to carry with. i know what im talking about.

jinx is like he new irelia. she just has too much of everything in her kit.

vayne has so much reliable damage in her kit, that you could build her with 1 or 2 attack speed items and the rest bruiser. youd still have a giant impact on the game.

70ad steroid on her r, 12% true damage on her ult. combine that with the artificial attack speed increase from her q and its impossible to not deal a load of damage with her.

IAMS4T4NFeb 1, 20161 votes

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ive played both champions. and theyre stupidly easy to carry with. i know what im talking about.

jinx is like he new irelia. she just has too much of everything in her kit.

vayne has so much reliable damage in her kit, that you could build her with 1 or 2 attack speed items and the rest bruiser. youd still have a giant impact on the game.

70ad steroid on her r, 12% true damage on her ult. combine that with the artificial attack speed increase from her q and its impossible to not deal a load of damage with her.

when did we start talking about adcs lol

Critmaster GarenFeb 1, 20161 votes

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when did we start talking about adcs lol

i was drawing a comparison between fiora and vayne. with vayne being much worse than what fiora has in terms of true damage.

KrugLyfeFeb 1, 20162 votes

Yes she should because if she didn't she would be way underpowered.

Juggernaut628Feb 1, 20161 votes

Welcome to League of Legends!

Cowgirl EdFeb 1, 20161 votes

No she should not be allowed. Ignore all other posts saying otherwise

Zero Skill TankFeb 1, 20161 votes

I just got completely rekted by fiora who than proceeded to carry a game and my team didn't even flame me for that and when LoL community doesn't flame you for ruining a game you know something is wrong.

VeraskaFeb 1, 20161 votes

To me fiora should be made of glass, she has the option to mitigate an insane amount of damage and she has the target neutrality to make it so she doesn't have to dive to succeed,

If yasuo and fizz aren't allowed to build tanky and succeed then why is fiora?