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What is so difficult about understanding the value of a fair playing field?

KING ATTILA··119 votes·3,213 views

IDGAF what rank you are, if you got there playing Solo, or if you're a boosted animal...

Dynamic Queue does not provide a fair playing field.

Dynamic Queue provides random elements that go beyond the elements involved in Solo Queue.

Solo Queue matchmaking is simple: You and 4 other randies of similar skill level must work together to beat the other team of 5 randies of similar skill level.
Right there. Fair game. Winning or losing is dependent on how well each undividual performs by themself AND with their teammates. That system most accurately represents your actual skill level. Also, NCS (New Champ Select) would have made Solo Queue much better.

Dynamic Queue? Oh. I see there's a plat player or two with gold players. Oh hey, there's a Gold one player on a team of Silver 5's. They must be trying to boost their low elo friends. Better hope the trio on your team will coordinate well enough with the 2 randies to beat the enemy 4 man and random.

See how ridiculous that sounds? It's beyond irritating.

I can't wrap my head around how ANYONE thinks Dynamic Queue is a better system when it comes to ranked integrity.
Just because you can win with your 4 buddies and count on your highest ranked friend to lead the team, doesn't mean that your skill as a player has improved jack shit; your new rank means nothing when it's your higher ranked buddy telling you what to do at all stages of the game. I know this because my 4 buddies that I've played with win the most games when they are queued with me and we are in the same room, hands down. When they play without me, their win rate drops hardcore.

Dynamic Queue has ruined the competitiveness of this game in favor of some stupid fallacious "feel good with your friends" bullshit. Shit, Dynamic Queue has caused the most stress and tension between me and my friends because mmr is on the line.
Games are fun when we play normals, but ranked is bullshit.

The South Koreans especially want Solo Queue back because they undertand the importance of your actual skill, not the skill of friendships lol. Keep in mind that the competitive gaming scene in South Korea is very strong, and League is dying there because there is no competitive incentive in League, since Riot took that away.

Pro players are boosting scrubs on their videos to purposefully exploit Dynamic Queue...because the system is shit.

You've done fucked up, Riot. Admit your fatal mistake, and FIX IT!

I will keep making posts.

I will keep commenting and upvoting Solo Queue posts.

We want Solo Queue!

72 Comments

The Deckowner27 votes

EVEN IF boosting does not exist in dynamic queue, the amount of trio+two solo vs 5 solo and other combinations makes the game extremely unfair even when both team.have exact the same skill level.

Also being able to reach the same rank as a solo player by playing with buddies on voice chat is retarded in the beginning.

Pierce The Veal2 votes

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EVEN IF boosting does not exist in dynamic queue, the amount of trio+two solo vs 5 solo and other combinations makes the game extremely unfair even when both team.have exact the same skill level.

Also being able to reach the same rank as a solo player by playing with buddies on voice chat is retarded in the beginning.

Duo queue was a thing before too, but still, I get where you're going with this.

Vistha Kai2 votes

Yeah, it was a thing before and even THAT was bad.

Not as bad as now, though.

Getting camped simply because your lane opponent was in a duo wasn't that common, since most duos wanted to go bot lane in the first place. Now, I get camped by 2 or 3 people every other game on average. That quite literally never happened to me since I started playing in December 2012... until Boosted Queue came around.

YJRBqwXJcS15 votes

I made a thread saying riot realizes their game is dying which is why they are pushing this friendship shit, yet I get downvoted.

A majority of the people in this section are stupid. They will disagree to something them agree to the same thing

Dextix LT12 votes

Hey, there are different people on the boards.

redfeenix10 votes

Having a fair playing field is not one of Riots design's philosphy.

A new player has so many huge disadvantages compared to a lvl 30, in terms of runes, masteries, summoners, etc.

From the first game you play Riot has made sure to stack the deck against you. New players / Solo Players are not playing the game correctly, so they should be disadvantaged.

Dextix LT7 votes

Can new players play ranked?

Also what is the "Correct" way to play the game?

There is a "correct" way to play the game?

If that is the "Correct" way why are we allowed to solo in the first place?

redfeenix1 votes

What are you talking about. No one mentioned anything about a how to play the game correctly. We're talking about how to play fairly.

Dextix LT6 votes

**Solo Players are not playing the game correctly, so they should be disadvantaged. **

What is this then?

redfeenix3 votes

Oops sorry I made that post in s drunken state last night... takebacks ?

Vistha Kai3 votes

By Riot's logic the correct way to play their game, is to play with friends, be it level 1 normal or Diamond ELO ranked.

Apparently.

redfeenix8 votes

Dude ranks mean nothing this season. They really fuxked up. We should try to annull this season ...

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/jUGUHOze-please-dont-release-ranked-borders-for-this-season

notmebuthim7 votes

Riot is caught in between giving solo players what they want, and forcing everyone in what they want. It seems like Riots end goal is to have everyone in premades of 5. Other wise, having a ranked plat form of duo's, trio's, quad's, and 5's playing along with random solo players makes no sense at all.

Godhri6 votes

Games are noticeably harder, but I wouldn't call it more stressful. That sucks that it is stressing you and your friends.

Mirkhail5 votes

The problem are not the fact that premade of different play ranked because they will face another premade, if both teams have the same number of premade with an average mmr it's theoretically a fair environment. The rng was in solo q too, duo que, smurf, troll, afk were in sq too. The problem of dq is that it allow to reduce the rng aspect for the premade and so they have an advantage over the players who group solo.

KING ATTILA8 votes

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The problem are not the fact that premade of different play ranked because they will face another premade, if both teams have the same number of premade with an average mmr it's theoretically a fair environment. The rng was in solo q too, duo que, smurf, troll, afk were in sq too. The problem of dq is that it allow to reduce the rng aspect for the premade and so they have an advantage over the players who group solo.

NCS would have greatly improved Solo Queue.

OxyPoro12 votes

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The problem are not the fact that premade of different play ranked because they will face another premade, if both teams have the same number of premade with an average mmr it's theoretically a fair environment. The rng was in solo q too, duo que, smurf, troll, afk were in sq too. The problem of dq is that it allow to reduce the rng aspect for the premade and so they have an advantage over the players who group solo.

The new soloQ that Riot promised but never delivered was supposed to be the true SoloQ without premades, the other issues would have been more or less been fixed with NCS. Instead with we get this obligatory, unfair and uncompetitive mixed Q bullshit that nearly never mirror match setups and thus leads onesided stomps that are boring when you're on the winning team and frustrating when you're on the recieving end.

Blanchimont8 votes

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The new soloQ that Riot promised but never delivered was supposed to be the true SoloQ without premades, the other issues would have been more or less been fixed with NCS. Instead with get this obligatory, unfair and uncompetitive mixed Q bullshit that nearly never mirror match setups and thus leads onesided stomps that are boring when you're on the winning team and frustrating when you're on the recieving end.

Don't forget they bailed on Lyte's promise to return Solo Queue yet brought back Ranked 5s despite the fact that it would break apart their Dynamic Queue anyways.

sphinxthelion75 votes

Yup.

Lirik4 votes

soloQ or go home Rito

Eunson3 votes

Thinking they're waiting for next season to shake off this failure of theirs without admitting it...only problem is it might be too late.

KING ATTILA1 votes

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Thinking they're waiting for next season to shake off this failure of theirs without admitting it...only problem is it might be too late.

I'll be happy if we get Solo Queue with NCS by next season.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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IDGAF what rank you are, if you got there playing Solo, or if you're a boosted animal...

Stopped there.

Insulting people isn't a good way to get them on your side, and, while I'm not a dynamic queue player, I don't condone your behavior towards other players, regardless of how much skill of their own they used to get to a rank.

KING ATTILA4 votes

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Oakleaf Ranger3 votes

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Punkkee3 votes

what the hell he didnt insult anyone what so ever

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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what the hell he didnt insult anyone what so ever

Calling people boosted animals isn't insulting?

Punkkee4 votes

In what way did he call anyone a boosted animal? Did he target a group of people and call them that? He said: IDGAF what rank you are, if you got there playing Solo, or if you're a boosted animal... Reread the entire thing, and think carefully. He is saying that regardless of rank or how people got to that rank, dynamic queue has changed everything. How many types of ways are there to get to a rank? Dynamic, Solo, and boosting. On the internet, a boosted person is called a boosted animal. It's like saying the statement: "America is full of a wide variety of people. White, Black, Chinese, Mexican and others" is racist because the word black is in it and calling people black is an insult therefore the speaker should be disregarded

Pierce The Veal1 votes

..... Arguing against your fallacious analogy would require me to use a well used analogy, which in this case would further require me to reference slurs that I would rather not mention, that, furthermore, could get me banned. I see that civil discourse is not appreciated on the boards, while fighting back is punishable, as such: have a good day, bye.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Well, and stay with me here. ITS A TEAM GAME. The Browns playing the Steelers twice a year isn't fair and yet they still do it. You get better by failing, yes that might sound weird, but its the truth. Playing against people who are better than you, will make you better. So ya that G1 has a easy lane phase but if his S5 buddy gets crushed that still makes the game harder for the G1. Its a team game that is meant to be played as such, which is why they brought out DQ. Sure it has its problems but so did SoloQ, I used to read shit bashing on it years ago as well. People just need something to complain about. This isn't a perfect world, adapt or die out.

PhDs Nuts4 votes

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Well, and stay with me here. ITS A TEAM GAME. The Browns playing the Steelers twice a year isn't fair and yet they still do it. You get better by failing, yes that might sound weird, but its the truth. Playing against people who are better than you, will make you better. So ya that G1 has a easy lane phase but if his S5 buddy gets crushed that still makes the game harder for the G1. Its a team game that is meant to be played as such, which is why they brought out DQ. Sure it has its problems but so did SoloQ, I used to read shit bashing on it years ago as well. People just need something to complain about. This isn't a perfect world, adapt or die out.

People bitched about soloQ problems because those were the only problems we knew. It wasn't unfair to have to queue up with a team of solos to beat another team of solos, but it was frustrating when you got the trolls/AFKs/etc that decided the game without skill mattering.

Most of the queue specific complaining I saw was about duos in the queue anyway. DQ made that worse. The rest of the complaining was about pick order making it hard to reliably get your role. New champ select would have fixed that.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Idk man, I think the idea of DQ is way better than SoloQ. Who cares what your SoloQ rank is in a team oriented game. SoloQ basically puts the idea of solo mindedness into the game. This isn't Call of Duty, you need to play for your team the best way to do that is with a team of people you trust. Win or Lose you don't turn on each other, you practice and get better. You can't do that with SoloQ. I feel most people who complain about DQ are people with no friends to play with. It's like we need some way to bring these people together to make them a team.

KING ATTILA4 votes

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Idk man, I think the idea of DQ is way better than SoloQ. Who cares what your SoloQ rank is in a team oriented game. SoloQ basically puts the idea of solo mindedness into the game. This isn't Call of Duty, you need to play for your team the best way to do that is with a team of people you trust. Win or Lose you don't turn on each other, you practice and get better. You can't do that with SoloQ. I feel most people who complain about DQ are people with no friends to play with. It's like we need some way to bring these people together to make them a team.

We've said it once, we'll say it a million times; DQ did not magically make teamwork anymore important/relevant than Solo Queue did. You still needed to cooperate with the 4 other Solo players to win. Teamwork has always been a necessary element for victory. DQ just simply punishes you for playing by yourself. If people want to play with friends and make up a team, go play normals. Go play Ranked 5's.

Shit, TSM and Cloud9 can play ranked in Dynamic Queue against an incomplete team of solos and premades....because that's fair according to your logic, right? Don't ruin the Solo Player ranked experience just because you want to feel righteous and tell us how to enjoy the game or how to make ranked meaningful. "Lol fuck you if you wanna play without friends hahaha"

MrHaZeYo1 votes

I think you missed the point, ITS A TEAM GAME. If you hate it, go play something else lol.

KING ATTILA3 votes

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I think you missed the point, ITS A TEAM GAME. If you hate it, go play something else lol.

No. You are the one missing the point, peasant.

It's always been a team game before Dynamic Queue was ever concepted.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Oh my bad Kid. Your right it has always been a team game, so why are crying like a child when they make it better to play with your friends as a team? SoloQ litterally proves nothing.

KING ATTILA4 votes

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Oh my bad Kid. Your right it has always been a team game, so why are crying like a child when they make it better to play with your friends as a team? SoloQ litterally proves nothing.

Such strawman. Excellent thought out points. Calls me kid, much cry like child. So proven wrong 10/10.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Says the kid who just called me a peasant? lol, I mean your comment had no more of a point than mine, so are you a strawman too?

KING ATTILA4 votes

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Says the kid who just called me a peasant? lol, I mean your comment had no more of a point than mine, so are you a strawman too?

But peasant is ironic because King is in my screen name.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Are you really a king though or just self entitled dude behind his computer? But fair enough. I said kid cause your obviously younger than I am. (hence the Mr)

KING ATTILA2 votes

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Are you really a king though or just self entitled dude behind his computer? But fair enough. I said kid cause your obviously younger than I am. (hence the Mr)

Of course not. And if you are older than 24 you can call me kid.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

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KING ATTILA1 votes

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27

27 it is then

Mistress Madoka1 votes

I'm getting sorta tired of these "omg DynaQ sucks" or "Omg give us soloQ"

KING ATTILA3 votes

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I'm getting sorta tired of these "omg DynaQ sucks" or "Omg give us soloQ"

Riot spawned this debacle.

Mistress Madoka1 votes

Even so, there's another way around it. I like to refer to it as Khazix 'ing the system

(Consume and adapt. Mostly the Latter)

KING ATTILA5 votes

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Even so, there's another way around it. I like to refer to it as Khazix 'ing the system

(Consume and adapt. Mostly the Latter)

Maybe Riot should adapt to the demands and concerns of their playerbase/consumers.

LatetotheRace3 votes

You know, I could eat shit and somehow merge with it. Or I could not...

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