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So Sej was nerfed...but now some reverted....i still don't get riot...

OmManiPadmeHum·3/18/2015, 8:28:26 PM·2 votes·937 views

Ok, so here is the new PBE about sej:

Sejuani Permafrost (E) damage reverted back to 60/90/120/150/180 from 60/95/130/165/200 [Note: E's damage has been reverted back to live values. Her W and E changes remain.]

does that "Note" make sense?

wasn't the original nerf to E the damage, but then it says that her changes on E still remain...

So am I reading this and basically the skill that is really only used as a slow is now staying the same (never really used it as a nuke or any sort of damage), but they are still nerfing her W and R?

I seriously don't get this nerf still. What on Sej has changed in the last 6 months other than the new jungle item? That should ring a bell on what the problem ACTUALLY is. Quit nerfing the fun parts of sej. Her R is hard enough to hit anyway. Slow ass animation and if their flash is up, bye bye ult for a couple mins. Even WITH the current 90% slow, it doesn't last forever. Against a sej, if I was that much of a threat, buy a flipping QSS.

time to find a new jungler while rito guts this one.

16 Comments

thinking man3/18/2015, 8:30:12 PM3 votes

How are slight damage nerfs "nerfing the fun part?"

Why would you nerf a jungle item because one champion is broken with it?

Ser Garland3/18/2015, 8:37:54 PM1 votes

Sounds like Riot just took away her compensation buffs. Her nerfs were to her W.

Sacklet3/18/2015, 8:40:43 PM1 votes

u r probably just bad

Stacona3/18/2015, 8:41:07 PM1 votes

The PBE notes means W and R changes are still the nerfs- not W and E

60-180 is the current LIVe value, 60-200 was a buff on PBE - Sejuani was obviously still really strong and does not need any compensations so just VERY small balance tweeks to help her be in a better spot - overall, the pig rider will still be very strong and further balancing will be CONSIDERED in the future

her ultimate is not hard to hit and the slow nerf does not do much for missing her ultimate since you can just apply perma frost anyways

KevGatz3/18/2015, 8:44:10 PM1 votes

She was already strong before the new item which makes her stronger hence the slight nerfs (or in crazy land "gutting"). They even said in the patchnotes that with the changes and new item they would most likely need to adjust some tank jungles and specifically pointed to Sej as one of them.

Uiru3/18/2015, 9:04:57 PM1 votes

The "compensation buff" to her second maxed skill is now gone. Fantastic. Guess this is just the beginning. ~Uiru

GaleWinUnleashed3/18/2015, 9:11:17 PM1 votes

That's a typo by Moobeat, not a mistake on Riot's part. He's corrected that note by now.

And this is not even close to a gutting. Sejuani is losing 2% max health damage from her W on-hit. The aoe portion of W remains unchanged.

R's slow is being lowered from 90% to 30%. Keep in mind that this slow is only applied if she misses the skillshot. The effects when actually hitting a champion with R are completely unchanged.

These are very small changes in the grand scheme of things. She's losing a small portion of her upfront damage, but her overall damage output will be largely unaffected. The R slow change is because it was incredibly forgiving before; you could miss and still get pretty much the same effect. Now it actually makes a difference.

TeemoJenkins3/19/2015, 6:12:02 PM1 votes

Why in the name of all that is pink and fluffy are PBE balance changes being put in GamePlay and Balance instead of the PBE forum? What's the freaking point of discussing a change if you aren't actually testing it? All it does is create false drama / hope. i.e. Darius Buff, Kat Nerfs.