Tahm?!?

DrtyTrolls·Jul 7, 2015·2 votes·1,107 views

Does everyone else think this champ looks more useless then Bard? I have watched several gameplay videos of him and i have no clue what Riot was thinking when they made this champ or his kit.

28 Comments

LuggJul 7, 20157 votes

How can you even think he would be worthless? Tahm has the potential to be the best support in the game. He can literally save his ADC from death with one of his normal abilities, has ranged poke with a slow/stun, can snag the enemy and run under tower to spit them out basically guaranteeing a kill, he is very tanky, and he can take his ADC across the map to do ganks.

And you say he's useless.

DrtyTrollsJul 7, 20151 votes

clearly you have 0 clue how is abilities work.

LuggJul 8, 20152 votes

And you do? Clearly you are living up to your name.

Meep ManJul 7, 20152 votes

He looks really well balanced to me. Great, UNIQUE strengths and clear defined weaknesses. His W is actually really powerful, especially ever since they reduced the CD to 14/13/12/11/10 seconds from 18/16/14/12/10 seconds.

Darth Pixy MisaJul 7, 20151 votes

Why was their objective a tank with no cc? Mordekaiser already does this.

DrCyanideJul 7, 20153 votes

Why is a slow, stun, and the ability to remove an enemy from the fight considered "no cc"?

DrtyTrollsJul 7, 20151 votes

With a useless ult as well. If it was global, or simi global it would be one thing but you can walk the max range faster then it takes to cast it.

DisasterSolaJul 7, 20151 votes

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With a useless ult as well. If it was global, or simi global it would be one thing but you can walk the max range faster then it takes to cast it.

What? Do... do you happen to be a middleschooler? It has an instant cast time, you CHOOSE, at any time within 15 seconds, to go to the location.

DrtyTrollsJul 7, 20151 votes

Yup, 30 yrs old and in middle-school. You caught me. lol

It has a longer range at max lvl. But how many ranked games last until you can max your ult? Also, 15 total seconds so 1 of 2 things is gonna happen.

you tell your buddy "hey jump in" and they mess around like everyone does until almost full time goes by therefor losing enemy.
you say screw it and insta cast and go alone only to find 3 enemy's waiting and you get gang banged. (rem u have to hit someone 3 times to stun) so unlike TF who can gold card stun and kill with burst you have to survive hitting them 3 times BEFORE you can stun.

DisasterSolaJul 7, 20151 votes

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Yup, 30 yrs old and in middle-school. You caught me. lol

It has a longer range at max lvl. But how many ranked games last until you can max your ult? Also, 15 total seconds so 1 of 2 things is gonna happen.

you tell your buddy "hey jump in" and they mess around like everyone does until almost full time goes by therefor losing enemy.

you say screw it and insta cast and go alone only to find 3 enemy's waiting and you get gang banged. (rem u have to hit someone 3 times to stun) so unlike TF who can gold card stun and kill with burst you have to survive hitting them 3 times BEFORE you can stun.

Why are you waiting for people to get to you?
Why are you randomly ulting into a group of enemies?
you reach level 18 in most games that go on for 35 minutes or more, unless youre not CSing.

The middleschool comment was because of the general... stupidity of your reasoning. "i saw it so its true" or "I saw someone be bad as tom". I watched loleaks play tom as some hoshposh AP bruiser. hardly used W and didnt even level it.

Tom has very high stalling potential and very high kill potential; he can take carries OUT of the fight, or give an ally time for cooldowns to come back. He is very much a utility HP tank; he benefits from 300 or so AP and 3000+HP; an amount easily obtained with ROA , rylais, and zhonyas. His stalling comes into play once he gets a good amount of CDR, and becomes capable of Q-Q-AA-W loops.

DrtyTrollsJul 7, 20151 votes

You must be a very low elo player. Most higher ranked games do not last until you hit 18. But I'm guessing you're probably one of those "bard is best champ NA" people also.

DisasterSolaJul 7, 20151 votes

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You must be a very low elo player. Most higher ranked games do not last until you hit 18. But I'm guessing you're probably one of those "bard is best champ NA" people also.

No, but unlike you ive actually played tom in a semi-competitive setting and more or less know his strengths enough to play him reliably. Hes very much so a "top lane support" type champion. He is meant to remove threats, kill off the front line, and secure kills, as well as set up fights.

You have no idea how satisfying it is for you to TP with your initiator and flank the enemy team who was seiging a midlane turret. Of course, since you have no experience and have only watched gameplay of people who have no idea how to play or adapt to champions who are far from the norm, you would think hes "crap"; Tom is a very different champion and has very specific duties to perform regardless of role.

DrtyTrollsJul 7, 20151 votes

LMFAO, playing promos or Bronze5-4 is not competitive play, sorry. But I guess watching PROFESSIONAL players play Tahm and talk about mechanics is not a valid source. I mean they just make a living playing league winning tournaments.

DisasterSolaJul 8, 20151 votes

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LMFAO, playing promos or Bronze5-4 is not competitive play, sorry. But I guess watching PROFESSIONAL players play Tahm and talk about mechanics is not a valid source. I mean they just make a living playing league winning tournaments.

Semi competitive is playing normals with gold MMR, something thats fairly common on PBE. "Professional" I watched sneaky. one of the top 3 ADCs in the NA LCS, complain that blitzcrank is shit while playing him in the mid lane.

DrtyTrollsJul 8, 20151 votes

I'm not talking about blitz, and did you seriously say playing "normal's" is competitive. lol get back to me when you have real mmr and a rank.

DisasterSolaJul 8, 20151 votes

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I'm not talking about blitz, and did you seriously say playing "normal's" is competitive. lol get back to me when you have real mmr and a rank.

Clearly someone needs to go back to remedial reading; Semi competitive is a far cry from competitive. Maybe you should apply for PBE and see if you cant get some hands on experience before following the sheeple?

DrtyTrollsJul 9, 20151 votes

Let me know when you "get good" and can actually get a decent rank scrub. lol, no go back to your normal games.

DrCyanideJul 7, 20151 votes

... Unless the Wiki is lying, the fully upgraded range is longer than Twisted Fate's ultimate range. If I'm reading this right, he can choose to go and then arrive as fast as Twisted Fate can too, he simply has the option of waiting 15 seconds for someone to get to him to join him.

Shroom JunkieJul 7, 20151 votes

Ew no. Tahm looks great. He does a shit load of damage, especially when building offensive, he can save anyone on his team whether playing support or not, he has a fucking Skarner ult if he can hit someone 3 times(granted he gets slowed but still, might as well be a charm that makes them untargettable for the time, he has a stun, and can't forget the most important thing,

HE HAS A TOP HAT.

DrtyTrollsJul 7, 20151 votes

lol, idk. You have to hit someone 3 times to do anything useful and his ult takes a year to cast. I've just seen to much game play already to have any high hopes for this champ.

Shroom JunkieJul 7, 20151 votes

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lol, idk. You have to hit someone 3 times to do anything useful and his ult takes a year to cast. I've just seen to much game play already to have any high hopes for this champ.

You can still slow them with your W which also procs your passive, meaning you can then go on to hitting them three times and devour them. Plus, you don't have to hit your team mate to devour them, and his ult is more for transfer around the map rather than instant mobility. Pretty sure it gets canceled if he takes damage anyway so its not supposed to be used as an escape.

Plus, he's an amazing meat shield, and because you'll be in the middle of the fight to hit people they'll instead attack you rather than the squishies or otherwise get eaten and/or stunned, so it directs attention away from them while you soak up your initial late-game probably 5000 or so health then double it with your E, or if you don't have to, heal up a lot of it after the fight.

LoLKiruJul 7, 20151 votes

The only problem I see Tahm having, is his passive being next to useless on anyone ranged (unless they changed it recently, haven't kept up with it)

He'd have to hit you with his tongue 4 times in a row to apply his passive (because god knows he won't get into melee range against anyone ranged lol; he's basically Garen in that regard without the speed boost), and if 7 seconds pass without him hitting you with it, he has to do it ALL OVER AGAIN.

Likewise, due to how his passive works (triggering it consumes all the marks and you need to reapply it) I don't think he'll be able to realistically use devour on anyone ranged either (simply because even IF he stuns them with his tongue, he needs to walk up; auto them 3 times, and then W them, all before his stun ends and they go back to kiting him)

KarKzzJul 7, 20151 votes

Likewise, due to how his passive works (triggering it consumes all the marks and you need to reapply it)

It was a bug, marks doesn't reset. Also, Tahm Kench can activate Devour during Tongue Lash to devour minions or monsters from a distance.

Don't forget that is tongue is a 70% slow. But he will be pretty strong with a marskman that have cc / speedboost (Ashe, sivir, jinx, ...)

As a jungle, he got his laner's cc to help him gank a lane, and his ult that allow him to decals quickly to the botlane with his midlaner.

As a solo laner ? he will dish good damage, and will be pretty tanky, but he won't be able to get kills easily.

LoLKiruJul 7, 20151 votes

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It was a bug, marks doesn't reset.

Oh, that makes it significantly better for him. Though he'd still have to walk up into melee range to devour you.

(Basically my main worry is that he doesn't have any real way to use his passive on ranged opponents, given that it requires him to be spot on with his tongue multiple times in a row to even get the stun. I'd imagine being an immobile melee would make it relatively hard if not impossible in some cases, to apply his passive with autos)

KarKzzJul 7, 20151 votes

Yeah, but he need weaknesses. ! He will be WAY stronger in team. He is not a soloQ champion.

BeatzBoyFTWJul 8, 20151 votes

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Does everyone else think this champ looks more useless then Bard? I have watched several gameplay videos of him and i have no clue what Riot was thinking when they made this champ or his kit.

You don't just watch. You play. Just like how students can't memorise math just by reading instead of writing the workings out.

Apparently, you're the one who doesn't know the extent of Tahm's potential.

CrossetteJul 9, 20151 votes

You need to not suck at everything. Same when playing Bard.

DrtyTrollsJul 9, 20151 votes

says the kid who doesn't even play ranked, let me know when you actually figure out how "good" players play champs. scrub