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Fix the troll problem

DrtyTrolls··3 votes·595 views

Ok, Riot I've been playing for 4 seasons off and on. But the troll problem is just getting completely out of hand. Why, well all the good players you dean "toxic" are getting banned or quitting because they are usually try hards that actually want to rank up (aka like me). And get reported when we get 1-2 trolls per game so we end up voicing it in chat.

Here is an idea for a system to detect int feeding. (because reporting them int feeding clearly doesn't work)

  • an easy way to do this would be to run a script to see time of death vs re-spawn time . Example: troll mid decides to int feed so he keeps running down lane and dying. death timer is 15 seconds, takes additional 15 seconds to make it back to lane, then dies in 5 seconds. If you write a script to calculate "death times" and how many times this occurs it would be very easy to label that player a "troll" and dish out punishment.

Course there are many other ways to troll but 1 step at a time would be a start.

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Dragfin3 votes

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Ok, Riot I've been playing for 4 seasons off and on. But the troll problem is just getting completely out of hand. Why, well all the good players you dean "toxic" are getting banned or quitting because they are usually try hards that actually want to rank up (aka like me). And get reported when we get 1-2 trolls per game so we end up voicing it in chat.

Here is an idea for a system to detect int feeding. (because reporting them int feeding clearly doesn't work)

  • an easy way to do this would be to run a script to see time of death vs re-spawn time . Example: troll mid decides to int feed so he keeps running down lane and dying. death timer is 15 seconds, takes additional 15 seconds to make it back to lane, then dies in 5 seconds. If you write a script to calculate "death times" and how many times this occurs it would be very easy to label that player a "troll" and dish out punishment.

Course there are many other ways to troll but 1 step at a time would be a start.

You are not the problem, Riots horrible reporting system is and they aren't going to change it unfortunately.

I will not tell you to mute them, or report them, or to stop saying things to them so you won't get reported.

I am not like these idiots who think that this will solve all your problems.

I agree with you 100% because I experience the same things that you do, as do many of us.

Riot may not have a game to fix if they allow this crap to continue much longer.

DrtyTrolls2 votes

I agree, more and more of the decent players are leaving due to this issue. Why i believe it has only gotten worse over the years. And in my experience it is the decent players that spend money on skins,etc etc. I love league and the gameplay but I am sick of Riots "dont care" attitude when its comes to trolls and I will celebrate the day they shut down their servers for good.

Dragfin1 votes

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I agree, more and more of the decent players are leaving due to this issue. Why i believe it has only gotten worse over the years. And in my experience it is the decent players that spend money on skins,etc etc. I love league and the gameplay but I am sick of Riots "dont care" attitude when its comes to trolls and I will celebrate the day they shut down their servers for good.

Yeah, unfortunately that is where it is probably heading.

Rysophage2 votes

Riot dosen't care about trolls they only care about people who get angry at them. so you get banned :D

DrtyTrolls2 votes

You couldnt be more right, sadly.

Rysophage2 votes

Yeah im not trying to be an asshole or anything that was sincere. Like, from riot's side, i understand that it can be hard to implement ways to stop say, champion select trolling, and inten feeding, but banning people because they get mad at the game...which is the thing that's making them mad and it's riot's fault for a REALLY BAD RANKED SYSTEM, is insulting frankly.

Jubbinaut1 votes

Did you know, they recently implemented an intentional-feeder-detection system? Last I heard, it was tuned way down while they made sure everything was working properly, but it seems to be going smoothly, and they should be bringing it up to full speed soon, if they haven't already.

Did you know that Riot considers every from of griefing to be toxic behavior, and therefore punishable?

I've noticed that players who tend towards retaliatory toxicity have a habit of assuming that Riot only believes chat to be toxic. This isn't the case. Any action intended to negatively impact the other players of the game - verbal or non-verbal - is considered toxic. This includes Intentional Feeding, troll picks/builds, and various forms of griefing. One notable case I saw in the Tribunal involved a "support Trundle" player, who went out of his way to bait his team into ambushes, as well as block kills and escapes with his pillar - last I saw, he received a 2-week ban for the behavior.

DrtyTrolls1 votes

I haven't heard of them implementing any int feed detection system. I have reported many a troll, lot of times i take screen shots or record the match and make tickets in hopes they will be banned. But a majority of the time i will check lolking to see if they are still playing and sure enough they are playing everyday.

Jubbinaut2 votes

Recent quotes from Lyte on the subject:

From 17 days ago:

We're already working on having the new Reform System learn about in-game behaviors like trolling and intentional feeding. There's already a couple systems in the background that ban for these behaviors and running tests, and Player Support manually reviews reports for these behaviors for the time being.

16 days ago:

Player Support reviews Intentional Feeding reports and bans them manually, and we have a system that is trying to learn about intentional feeding and banning them too. It's just not updated in the new Instant Feedback system, so you won't get Report Feedback about Intentional Feeding yet.

13 days ago:

Actually, we're going to be testing Intentional Feeding Detection in the new Instant Feedback System very soon.

8 days ago:

Intentional Feeding is being integrated into the new Reform System pretty soon, so the speeds on those types of reports will increase pretty dramatically.

Rereading his recent posts on the matter, I may have misunderstood those from earlier. In retrospect, it looks like he was referring to PBE tests of the system having been implemented, and it'll be rolled into live soon - which isn't what I claimed earlier. I was mistaken in my assumptions there, and I'm sorry for the misinformation.

Nevertheless, it seems clear to me that Riot is no more accepting of non-verbal toxicity than they are of verbal toxicity. I have a couple theories on why we hear more about the latter, but I don't suspect you're interested in my thought exercises.

DrtyTrolls1 votes

Well I am glad they are at least "claiming" to be working on something. even if it was an easy detection like if you go 0/10+ you have to play 2 normal games before going back to ranked but it stacks. So if you come back and instantly go 0/10+ again you have to do 4 more. ANYTHING at this point would be nice.

Jubbinaut1 votes

Honestly? It's not that easy a thing to automate detection of, without a bunch of false positives. A player who's being stomped in lane because his opponent is that much better may very well seem to walk out and die immediately - not because he's trying to die, but because he's trying to farm up enough to be useful, and can't do so safely.

Regardless, they are working on it. It should be on Live by the next patch.

DrtyTrolls1 votes

Course its not that easy, but something simple like this could be added along with the "death clock" if you go 0/5 in 6 min when you've only been "alive" for 2 minutes of the game is a pretty solid indicator that you be a troll. And until they did get the system working with marginal error small punishments like stackable normal games would be a great start. Because i have been unfortunate enough to have a troll on my team and then que right back up and bam guess whos back....ugh.

EL HAMSTERO2 votes

it doesn't matter what riot puts in. trolls will find a way around it. you cant make people try to win. if they want to troll they are going to find a way to do it.

Jubbinaut2 votes

No, but you can discourage it. The point isn't to force everyone to play nice, it's to ensure that there are meaningful consequences for not playing nice.

Just like players will always rage over something. You can't make them speak politely, but you can ensure that there are meaningful consequences for the behavior.

HotShotZZ1 votes

well I'm pretty much going to quit over this issue I'm just done with the garbage you have to deal with when playing this game and have asked Riot to delete my account so even if friends want me to play i can just say nope my account was deleted, Their system of catching toxic players is alright but the problem is it happens WAY after the fact you get punished for being a good player you stay in the game you get trolled and your stuck getting the loss its like RIOT is trolling you

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