Don't pick vayne top and tell the jungler to play a tank. I play assassin junglers, and I would sooner lose than pick a tank to appease you. I don't care about ranking up, unlike 95% of this community I realize that I'm not an LCS diamond pro and never will be. I am content with mid gold. If you harass me about this matter, you will be muted, blocked, and reported.
KillerKell18 votesIf you don't care about Ranking Up... get out of Ranked. That's the PURPOSE of Ranked.
So now the Top has to play what you want, even if they pick before you and already had a Non-Tank selected? Because, apparently, you are the only one that matters?
So you simply refuse to synergize or strategize with your team because you are feeling just fine where you are at?
Which sums up a major part of the toxicity in League... people who simply refuse to look at this as a Team Game. It's all about them and getting what they want.
TSwift Is Sexy2 votesYour first point is completely valid. The other two are not. He isn't telling the top laner to play anything, so where'd you get that from? He can play whatever jungle he wants to play. If the top laner is so worried about "team comps" in a low elo game, then he can select a tank. The point OP is making is don't pick a shitty non-team pick and except someone else to play what you want them to play. Pretty simple concept that I'm not sure how you missed.
Stangen182 voteswell op also said no matter what he doesn't play tanks and only assassins and he doesn't care about team comp so hes just as bad as the top laner who went vayne. Agreed on the point if you don't care about rank then stop playing it. Those types of players ruin it for people who are actually trying to climb,
KillerKell2 voteswell op also said no matter what he doesn't play tanks and only assassins and he doesn't care about team comp so hes just as bad as the top laner who went vayne. Agreed on the point if you don't care about rank then stop playing it. Those types of players ruin it for people who are actually trying to climb,
Yet some how we don't understand what the OP was saying.
This is the exact point, he's as bad if not worse than the Top Vayne... because he still had the opportunity to do what was best for the Team even if Vayne didn't.
ZephyrDrake1 votesYet some how we don't understand what the OP was saying.
This is the exact point, he's as bad if not worse than the Top Vayne... because he still had the opportunity to do what was best for the Team even if Vayne didn't.
"best for the team" are you even reading what the OP said? he literally says he ONLY plays assassin junglers and that he doesn't care about anything else. He is literally saying that he does not give a damn about climbing and would rather lose than to actually attempt to work with his team. It doesn't matter what the top lane went, he could have gone tank and mid an assassin and OP would still have picked an assassin just because that's the only thing he wants to play. Sorry but actually learn to understand what people are saying instead of bashing others for the wrong reasons entirely. The OP does not care about climbing, he does not care about being a teamplayer, he does not care about even attempting to listen to what his team is saying, all he cares about is himself and nothing more and whoever says otherwise then he will pretty much just ignore them.
I would rather play the same 3 supports every single game but if my team actually needs a different type of support then i will do my best to actually help the team. If i can't then i will simply decline instead of making it into a tantrum like the OP is doing. Because apparently the only thing that matters is what he wants and nothing else
KillerKell1 votes"best for the team" are you even reading what the OP said? he literally says he ONLY plays assassin junglers and that he doesn't care about anything else. He is literally saying that he does not give a damn about climbing and would rather lose than to actually attempt to work with his team. It doesn't matter what the top lane went, he could have gone tank and mid an assassin and OP would still have picked an assassin just because that's the only thing he wants to play. Sorry but actually learn to understand what people are saying instead of bashing others for the wrong reasons entirely. The OP does not care about climbing, he does not care about being a teamplayer, he does not care about even attempting to listen to what his team is saying, all he cares about is himself and nothing more and whoever says otherwise then he will pretty much just ignore them.
I would rather play the same 3 supports every single game but if my team actually needs a different type of support then i will do my best to actually help the team. If i can't then i will simply decline instead of making it into a tantrum like the OP is doing. Because apparently the only thing that matters is what he wants and nothing else
You do realize we are in agreement, right?
There is nothing you said here that I haven't already said in this very thread as well.
My point was that another poster claimed I didn't even read the OP and that the OP wasn't Toxic and that I simply didn't understand what the OP meant and that Vayne was at fault.
I never said Vayne wasn't at fault, nor that Vayne wasn't Toxic. I simply said the OP was Toxic and at fault as well.
Your stance agrees with my stance, which is what I was pointing out. I was also pointing out that others would suggest we didn't know what the OP was meaning, and therefore we'd be wrong in our stance.
KillerKell4 votes[{quoted}](name=TSwift Is Sexy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TIAdwKrN,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-05-24T19:42:33.024+0000)
Your first point is completely valid. The other two are not. He isn't telling the top laner to play anything, so where'd you get that from? He can play whatever jungle he wants to play. If the top laner is so worried about "team comps" in a low elo game, then he can select a tank. The point OP is making is don't pick a shitty non-team pick and except someone else to play what you want them to play. Pretty simple concept that I'm not sure how you missed.
Not every Comp requires a Top Lane Tank... is the point. So no, if the Top Laner is worried about Team Comp their only viable option isn't a Tank.
Which is the point.
And what if Mid went Assassin instead of Mage? Assassins are horrid at Team Fighting and great at Single Target Elimination. OP wants to be Jungle Assassin... but you already have Mid Assassin. So Top goes Ryze so you have an AP Mage to work with, but who despite building Defensively still isn't a Front Line Tank. Support went Soraka for Poke and Heals.
So you have a Team with no tank yet, and with an Assassin already.
And OP still says to hell with everyone, he's an Assassin Jungle. Period. Don't even talk to him about it. He's not changing, kiss his ass, even if it destroys the Comp and is a direct cause of the loss. Because he's cool where he's at in Ranked.
That's a toxic stance, any way you paint it.
TSwift Is Sexy2 votesSo what you're saying is that it's "toxic" for OP to say he is playing an assassin jg but there is nothing wrong with the top laner doing the same thing.
In what world does that make sense?
KillerKell3 votes[{quoted}](name=TSwift Is Sexy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TIAdwKrN,comment-id=0002000000010000,timestamp=2016-05-24T20:11:36.126+0000)
So what you're saying is that it's "toxic" for OP to say he is playing an assassin jg but there is nothing wrong with the top laner doing the same thing.
In what world does that make sense?
What I am saying is his stance on he doesn't care if it causes a loss, and to hell with trying to be a Team Player because he wants it his way and that's the only way it will happen is Toxic.
How does that NOT make sense?
Nor did I say the Top Lane wasn't also at fault... but if the Top Lane picks before the Jungle, then the Top Lane has Priority on the Champion and Type, just not the Lane.
At this point, the Team can choose to work together and adjust things as they go... or they can refuse to be a team and fail.
He says he's 100% cool with simply failing instead of working as a Team. Yeah, that's Toxic.
Now if he is picking before Top and goes Assassin, and Top still goes Assassin, then that's Top being equally Toxic for not adjusting to the Needs of the Team.
Obviously, since Vayne requested that Jungle go Tank, Vayne had already picked and thus had Priority.
So yes, the stance of "I'm not changing for anyone regardless, we'll just eat a Loss" is pretty Toxic. Then to try to shift the blame on the Player who had Priority in Pick Order is just silly.
OP had the opportunity to cover the weakness of the Team, and chose not to. That was HIS decision. He should (and does) own Responsibility for that. As he said, he'd rather lose (so again, he DOES accept Responsibility for his Action).
That's absolutely a Toxic Stance. It doesn't exclude that Vayne Top from being Toxic, I never said it did. There can be more than 1 Toxic on a Team, after all. But this discussion isn't really about what Vayne did... it's how the OP responded to what Vayne did. He is responsible for his response.
TSwift Is Sexy3 votesWhat I am saying is his stance on he doesn't care if it causes a loss, and to hell with trying to be a Team Player because he wants it his way and that's the only way it will happen is Toxic.
How does that NOT make sense?
It doesn't make sense because it's exactly what the rest of his team is doing. Like when they pick squishy top and jg and then tell the support "tanky support".
Nor did I say the Top Lane wasn't also at fault... but if the Top Lane picks before the Jungle, then the Top Lane has Priority on the Champion and Type, just not the Lane.
And did the top laner ask what the jg was playing? No. He doesn't have priority over anything.
At this point, the Team can choose to work together and adjust things as they go... or they can refuse to be a team and fail.
He says he's 100% cool with simply failing instead of working as a Team. Yeah, that's Toxic.
Now if he is picking before Top and goes Assassin, and Top still goes Assassin, then that's Top being equally Toxic for not adjusting to the Needs of the Team.
What's with people throwing around this "toxic" buzzword? It loses meaning when you call everything toxic.
OP had the opportunity to cover the weakness of the Team, and chose not to. That was HIS decision. He should (and does) own Responsibility for that. As he said, he'd rather lose (so again, he DOES accept Responsibility for his Action).
The rest of the team had the responsibility to cover their own weakness.
Not to mention you're missing the most important part. At his elo, champion skill completely shits on "team comp". Him playing a champion that he is skilled with that doesn't fit YOUR desired team comp gives you a far better chance at winning that him playing a champion he is inexperienced with because YOU want him to play it. If YOU'RE so worried about having a tank on your team, play a tanky top. It's actually quite simple.
IreliaCarrlesU1 votes[{quoted}](name=TSwift Is Sexy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TIAdwKrN,comment-id=000200000001000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-24T20:31:35.120+0000)
It doesn't make sense because it's exactly what the rest of his team is doing. Like when they pick squishy top and jg and then tell the support "tanky support".
And did the top laner ask what the jg was playing? No. He doesn't have priority over anything.
What's with people throwing around this "toxic" buzzword? It loses meaning when you call everything toxic.
The rest of the team had the responsibility to cover their own weakness.
toxicity hasn't lost its meaning.
people like this op, and people who accept this behavior are so desensitized to toxicity that they can no longer understand it, or dicern what is and isn't toxic behavior, this is why player-based tribunal isn't here anymore.
this post is a lot, of excuses, stuff that doesn't at all validate the ops way of thinking. if anything it gives insight into how a toxic player might process a situation, "constantly rationalizing as though in argument with everything, always finding a reason that thier wrong was somehow okay".
Being frank, it was both saddening and exciting, i was saddened to see another of these posts, yet excited to have more evidence to support my notions about toxic players and how they think.
KillerKell1 votes[{quoted}](name=TSwift Is Sexy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TIAdwKrN,comment-id=000200000001000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-24T20:31:35.120+0000)
It doesn't make sense because it's exactly what the rest of his team is doing. Like when they pick squishy top and jg and then tell the support "tanky support".
And did the top laner ask what the jg was playing? No. He doesn't have priority over anything.
What's with people throwing around this "toxic" buzzword? It loses meaning when you call everything toxic.
The rest of the team had the responsibility to cover their own weakness.
Not to mention you're missing the most important part. At his elo, champion skill completely shits on "team comp". Him playing a champion that he is skilled with that doesn't fit YOUR desired team comp gives you a far better chance at winning that him playing a champion he is inexperienced with because YOU want him to play it. If YOU'RE so worried about having a tank on your team, play a tanky top. It's actually quite simple.
The first Pick has to pick something, yes? Each Pick should build off the Previous, is the point. So if Top picks before Jungle then Top gets to chose if they are going to be the Team Tank or not. If after 5 Picks you find yourself with No Tank... well, I hope you guys discussed your Comp (again, not all Comps require a Tank).
When you literally say you don't care if your direct decisions cause your team to lose... that's Toxic. That is possibly what Vayne did. It's absolutely what OP said he did. Toxic is Toxic, and disregarding the impact of your decisions on the Team so you can have 'your way' is Toxic.
Yes, if he picks before some one he DOES have Priority. The only thing you are promised is your ROLE. So if Top has 2nd Pick and Jungle has 4th, Top absolutely has Priority over the TYPE of Top Lane he will choose. Because it's on HIS Pick. For instance, some Champions are well known to play Multiple Lanes. We've had Games where the same Champion was selected as the "Wanted Champion" for Multiple Roles. Now, the one picking ABOVE the other has Priority. Usually it ends up rather civil, with an actual discussion to get the greatest advantage. Like "Nah, I can just go Garen Top, so you go ahead and take Jax in the Jungle. Jax gets Banned/Picked High a lot, want me to secure him and trade him to you for Garen?" Which is how it should be. What OP is saying is to hell with the Team, he's doing his own thing 100% of the time, everyone else be damned.
You are right, Champion Skill is what should matter most. You can Out Play, I agree 100%. So why is he complaining about some one playing Vayne Top then? But if it turns out the reason you lose is because of your Comp, that no one would agree on and thus everyone did their own thing... then don't complain or blame others. But the problem with that is, OP already stated he's cool taking the Loss. That's an Issue, especially since it's Ranked. He's perfectly fine tanking the team so he can do his own thing... THAT IS TOXIC. Now, if it doesn't Tank the Team... Not Toxic. If he and Vayne go around smashing everything (doesn't sound like they did or he wouldn't be here complaining) then they obviously helped the Team.
TSwift Is Sexy1 votes
- Yes, if he picks before some one he DOES have Priority. The only thing you are promised is your ROLE. So if Top has 2nd Pick and Jungle has 4th, Top absolutely has Priority over the TYPE of Top Lane he will choose. Because it's on HIS Pick. For instance, some Champions are well known to play Multiple Lanes. We've had Games where the same Champion was selected as the "Wanted Champion" for Multiple Roles. Now, the one picking ABOVE the other has Priority. Usually it ends up rather civil, with an actual discussion to get the greatest advantage. Like "Nah, I can just go Garen Top, so you go ahead and take Jax in the Jungle. Jax gets Banned/Picked High a lot, want me to secure him and trade him to you for Garen?" Which is how it should be. What OP is saying is to hell with the Team, he's doing his own thing 100% of the time, everyone else be damned.
No. There isn't any priority over the type of champ you pick. There is no enforced meta saying you have to have X number of X type of champ. So him picking an LCSBIGPLAY champ top in no way makes it so that the jungler has to pick a tanky jungler to compensate. That is what I'm saying. And yes, OP is saying. But he can play whatever he wants. Literally. There is nothing that says the team has to like it.
- You are right, Champion Skill is what should matter most. You can Out Play, I agree 100%. So why is he complaining about some one playing Vayne Top then? But if it turns out the reason you lose is because of your Comp, that no one would agree on and thus everyone did their own thing... then don't complain or blame others. But the problem with that is, OP already stated he's cool taking the Loss. That's an Issue, especially since it's Ranked. He's perfectly fine tanking the team so he can do his own thing... THAT IS TOXIC. Now, if it doesn't Tank the Team... Not Toxic. If he and Vayne go around smashing everything (doesn't sound like they did or he wouldn't be here complaining) then they obviously helped the Team.
I don't think OP was necessarily bitching about Vayne top...at least with this post. I think he was saying that if you want to pick a stupid squishy champ top, then you don't get to tell your teammates what they have to play.
KillerKell1 votes[{quoted}](name=TSwift Is Sexy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TIAdwKrN,comment-id=00020000000100000000000000010000,timestamp=2016-05-24T21:15:05.148+0000)
No. There isn't any priority over the type of champ you pick. There is no enforced meta saying you have to have X number of X type of champ. So him picking an LCSBIGPLAY champ top in no way makes it so that the jungler has to pick a tanky jungler to compensate. That is what I'm saying. And yes, OP is saying. But he can play whatever he wants. Literally. There is nothing that says the team has to like it.
I don't think OP was necessarily bitching about Vayne top...at least with this post. I think he was saying that if you want to pick a stupid squishy champ top, then you don't get to tell your teammates what they have to play.
So in this case, Top has Priority and takes what basically amounts to a Ranged Assassin. Jungle follows by taking an Assassin. So if they lose because of this, as Top had Priority Pick, logic follows that FOR THE TEAM Jungle should have covered the weakness and been a Tank (as in this isolated case he failed to carry as the Assassin... likely because the Team had not Tank so they sucked in team fights with 2 Assassins and no Tanks to lock down or peel for them).
That's what I mean by Priority. Top, in this case, is picking BEFORE Jungle... so Top gets the Priority on what Champion, and thus what Style to play. She chose a Ranged Basic Attack Assassin. It's on her team to either (1) adjust Comp for the good of the Team or (2) maintain their Selection and Out Play. OP tried 2, it didn't work... therefore he's partially at fault for the Loss (which he accepts).
TSwift Is Sexy1 votesInstead of blaming the team for not selecting the comp to fit, maybe the Vayne shouldn't have picked Vayne when the team said they weren't going to play that comp?
You cannot tell someone else what to pick. So if you ask what they are playing and they say an assassin jg, and you pick Vayne anyway, then you cannot bitch about them "not picking for a team comp". You can only blame yourself for picking a dumb champ.
Her picking Vayne top in no way puts anything "on her team" to pick a comp around her. As a player, I can play whatever I want. If your champion requires a certain composition, and it's not what I want to play, then it's on YOU to pick a different champion. Not for you to tell the rest of the team what to play. Because then it's all about what YOU (1 player) wants...and the other 4 have to adjust. Nope.
KillerKell1 votes[{quoted}](name=TSwift Is Sexy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TIAdwKrN,comment-id=0002000000010000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-24T21:54:59.017+0000)
Instead of blaming the team for not selecting the comp to fit, maybe the Vayne shouldn't have picked Vayne when the team said they weren't going to play that comp?
You cannot tell someone else what to pick. So if you ask what they are playing and they say an assassin jg, and you pick Vayne anyway, then you cannot bitch about them "not picking for a team comp". You can only blame yourself for picking a dumb champ.
Her picking Vayne top in no way puts anything "on her team" to pick a comp around her. As a player, I can play whatever I want. If your champion requires a certain composition, and it's not what I want to play, then it's on YOU to pick a different champion. Not for you to tell the rest of the team what to play. Because then it's all about what YOU (1 player) wants...and the other 4 have to adjust. Nope.
When did the Team say they weren't going to play that comp? OP never said that, either. Every shows what Champion they want, so their Team doesn't ban it. He doesn't tell us what discussion took place during that time.
Now, should Vayne have TOLD him to play Tank? No. But she should have REQUESTED it, and a discussion should have ensued. Which could simply be "I feel it's best for the team if I play my Best Champion". Okay, cool... now we agree we aren't going for a Comp, but for an Out Play Scenario. At least now we all know what we'll be lacking, and that we should avoid team fights and emphasize on Picks Plays and Mobility.
But from the sound of it, they didn't alter their play to fit their Out Play Comp, and fell on their faces.
It comes down to Communication. Vayne was absolutely right to engage in Comp Conversation (though not right to demand). OP was equally right to say his best champ would be better than trying to be a square peg into a round hole. But not right to say he'll take a loss rather than to 'appease' some one. It isn't about that 'some one', it's about the Team.
He turned it into a 'I'm not doing it BECAUSE you TOLD me to do it" deal. Even if it was the right course of action.
These things have to be considered. Don't do it because you were told to... consider doing it because it might be the best option. And after considering, if you still feel it isn't, do what you feel IS best for the Team.
He can't change Vayne's Pick... it's already happened. All he can do is his best for the team at the current point, his Pick.
LordGeovanni1 votestop doesnt want to be the team tank they also cant force anyone else intot he position either no matter how potientally good for the team
LordGeovanni1 votesHe doesnt want to play a tank don't play a tank your top laner cant tell you what to play they can suggest but you are free to ignore the fuk out of it . Now if he doesnt care about ranking up he should get the fuck out of ranked. You dont even have to care about ranking up but you should be trying to do the best you can and if you land in a better elo then good. If the top laner or who ever didnt pick a tnak and knew the team needed one they can suggest but shouldnt harass you to pick a tank.
EMeta1 votesYou don't need a tank to win, so it's not throwing the match to cause your team not to have one. You probably do need players playing champs they're decent at to win.
Personally, I'm crap at assassins and decent with tanks. If the opposite were true (like it may be with the OP), then my team would be much better off playing with a kha that I'm good with than a sej that I'm not. It's the same reason counter-picking lanes is questionable in bronze through plat. Players playing one of the champs they excel with makes a lot more difference than someone who has a slightly higher win rate over hundreds of games.
Similarly, you don't need a late-game champ on your team to win, so it's not throwing the match if your entire team spikes early or mid. It does change your team's win conditions, but so does every other choice (how much the jungler farms vs. ganks, how much mid roams or top tp-ganks, if you start with a lane-swap, if you prioritize towers over dragons, etc.). Same thing with team comp. There have certainly been plenty of professional matches where coaches have determined that a tankless strategy was their best bet going forward.
All this is not to say that you should completely ignore your team's requests/preferences/needs. You do have to work together. (Please don't play jungle Xerath in ranked without having several games of exceptional performance on it in norms.) But given that your choice is halfway decent at her role, play who you want and are good with.
KillerKell1 votesSometimes you don't need a tank to Win. And some times your team falls completely apart because you have no tank.
Which is why these things should be discussed.
Sometimes you can simply Outplay... but trusting all 5 Members to Outplay is a large task, especially when 2 go Assassin with no Tank to cover for them in a Team Fight.
So now they have to try to flank, while the Enemy just rolls over the Mid and ADC because there is nothing protecting them... then 2 Assassins are all that is left alive against a full Team that likely has the Tank/CC needed to deal with them.
I do agree one should play their best Champion, but if you look and say "Crap, my best Champion doesn't have what it needs from this Team to work"... then it's not going to be a good game anyway. Might as well try to salvage the game instead of forcing a square peg into a round hole at that point.
But my major concern was how the OP said "I'm not playing a Tank to APPEASE you". It has literally nothing to do with appeasing the Vayne, it has everything to do with doing what is best for the team. But he won't even consider that, because he feels it will be seen as appeasing the Vayne. That's hubris. The fact he then layers on that he'd 'rather lose' than appease the Vayne is where it begins to get Toxic.
Once Team Fights start, Assassins simply need Tanks to take the focus so the Assassin can find the right spot to go after a Carry. Without that front line, the only option for the Assassin is to Flank. Except they have no Front Line to keep their Mage and ADC safe while buying time to Flank as again they have no Tank. So while it's 3v5 and these 2 Assassins are looking for the way in, their Team is getting rail roaded... after which 2 Assassins aren't destroying 5 Enemy that stay grouped to push.
It was a bad plan. Which is part of the point... there was no Plan. So of course it was bad.
AramsAreBest1 votesUnfortunately normal games are nowhere near as competitive as ranked is.
omnicron0071 votes
If you don't care about Ranking Up... get out of Ranked. That's the PURPOSE of Ranked.
So now the Top has to play what you want, even if they pick before you and already had a Non-Tank selected? Because, apparently, you are the only one that matters?
So you simply refuse to synergize or strategize with your team because you are feeling just fine where you are at?
Which sums up a major part of the toxicity in League... people who simply refuse to look at this as a Team Game. It's all about them and getting what they want.
I am ranking up just fine without playing a tank.
Top lane can play whatever they want, I do not care.
Yes. I will always play my best on whichever champion I choose.
KillerKell1 votes
I am ranking up just fine without playing a tank.
Top lane can play whatever they want, I do not care.
Yes. I will always play my best on whichever champion I choose.
Those are all good things. Like I said, you never blamed Top for making their choice and took responsibility for not filling a weakness.
The only part I have an issue with is you blatantly state you are more than willing to take a Loss, even if it's your direct action (or in this case with Vayne, reaction) that causes it.
Simply saying, if the combination of Vayne and You BOTH choosing to not Tank for the Team lead to the Loss, then you're both responsible for that. So is anyone else picking after you did, assuming there was anyone. That's Toxic.
Now, I agree it is Toxic in RESPONSE to Toxicity... but it makes it no less Toxic.
You should play what you are best at, with the understanding that if your team is lacking something that makes Winning more difficult and you lose, your choice had a negative impact on your Team. The thing I like about you is you are honest enough to be willing to accept that. Most would make excuses and pawn it off, I can absolutely admire that you don't do that.
But that doesn't make the situation you described any less Toxic. And to be completely fair, that's a level of Toxicity I can deal with as long as it does expand further into flaming, ranting and being unwilling to help others (to include that Vayne Top). You do say you do your best on what ever Champion you choose... I take you at your word (as I have on everything you've posted) so I'll assume your Toxicity pretty much stops at your sticking point in Champ Select.
Believe me, I'd rather take your form of limited Toxicity than the other forms that are out there. You at least can be worked with once the Game starts.
Ralanr4 votesFuck whoever went Vayne top.
Swiftstrike44 votesI am tired of people thinking Top lane vayne is a thing.
jusho13 votesIf you don't care about Ranking Up... get out of Ranked. That's the PURPOSE of Ranked
FioraWillCarry2 votesI'm not picking a tank top only to have bot lane feed and I can't carry because our only carries are pure shit and underfed. No fuck that. I'm going Kayle top, you can dodge if you want.
jusho12 votesI'm not picking a tank top only to have bot lane feed and I can't carry because our only carries are pure shit and underfed. No fuck that. I'm going Kayle top, you can dodge if you want.
If you don't care about Ranking Up... get out of Ranked. That's the PURPOSE of Ranked
AramsAreBest1 votesUnfortunately it does not work like that. Ranked is the only game mode which offers a competitive atmosphere. No where has riot said that the purpose of ranked is to climb, in fact I would say they would disagree with that statement.
FioraWillCarry1 votesIf you don't care about Ranking Up... get out of Ranked. That's the PURPOSE of Ranked
The only way I know of "Ranking Up" in Bronze is by carrying. If I'm forced to play top, bet your ass I'm playing a carry. Tanks cannot carry reliably.
Gimpy892 votesplay a tank.
IreliaCarrlesU2 votesdon't play ranked.
you either arent ready, or a casual.
DREADN0UGHT1 votesfilthy casuals amiright?
Bhagswag2 votesGood. People forget that this game belongs just as much to every single player. No player should tell others what to do, and no play should be obligated to play how some other player tells them to play.
As long as you're not breaking any rules set by the ToS and Riot, you can play however the damn well you want.
IreliaCarrlesU1 votesGood. People forget that this game belongs just as much to every single player. No player should tell others what to do, and no play should be obligated to play how some other player tells them to play.
As long as you're not breaking any rules set by the ToS and Riot, you can play however the damn well you want.
you must not play ranked, ranked players know that adapting for the team is essential, and that we cant always be the carry. this dude was being selfish, and toxic about being selfish.
Bhagswag2 votesIt's still a game. He can play however he wants to play as long as he doesn't break the rules.
KillerKell1 votesIt's still a game. He can play however he wants to play as long as he doesn't break the rules.
Like playing Malphite ADC, right? That's cool. No worries. Shouldn't be an issue, especially since it was Last Pick and all, and I was showing Caitlyn before picking Malphite.
I mean, I'm not breaking any Rules.
I am screwing over my entire team, though. And likely netting us a Loss.
But hey, who cares... it's only Ranked.
Forgot to mention, I simply don't engage on Champions. You know, I just don't trust my play yet. So instead I just focus on hitting Minions. What, my team is in a 4v5? Man, I'd love to help, but that just isn't how I play.
But it's not breaking any rules... so it's all good, right?
/sarcasm
Bhagswag1 votesDid he break the ToS? Did he say mean things in chat? Does he owe you anything?
It's a game; he can play however he wants if he doesn't break the rules. I don't wanna keep repeating myself.
IreliaCarrlesU1 votesIt's still a game. He can play however he wants to play as long as he doesn't break the rules.
thats was a normal is for, you dont ignore what your team needs and do your own thing in professional basketball, soccer, hockey, volleyball, football, kickball, baseball, dodge-ball, or rugby.
Lol is a sport, an Esport, and ranked is its professional ladder. if he wants to do whatever and ignore his team, and cause the 4 other people JUST AS IMPORTANT AS HIM to lose then do it in a normal.
there no excuse for it in ranked, this dude needs to grow up or get out of ranked.
AlwaysByMySide2 votesDon't pick vayne top and tell the jungler to play a tank. I play assassin junglers, and I would sooner lose than pick a tank to appease you. I don't care about ranking up, unlike 95% of this community I realize that I'm not an LCS diamond pro and never will be. I am content with mid gold. If you harass me about this matter, you will be muted, blocked, and reported.
No one cares about you being a sensitive fragile flower in ranked. Don't make threads about it.
BluePolarizer1 votesstay gold.
aaronautumn1 votesplay a tank
Çhåryzård1 votesGo whoever you want but if your team loses because nobody wanted to play a tank and the other team had tanks don't complain about it. Not saying you did complain about it, just saying in general.
PhDs Nuts1 votesOP must have been a delight in old soloQ.
"I don't care that you pick first, I'm playing jungle. I don't care if I rank up or not."
Athenes Lulu1 votesDon't tell me what to do, if you do I will tell on your mom because my feelings are hurt and OMG I GET TO DO WHAT I WANT XD!!!!!!
Come on, at least have a better excuse.
AramsAreBest2 votesKeyboard warrior cancerous Lulu reporting for duty.
Swiftstrike41 votesAt low Elos comps do not matter too much. You just play your best champion.
DeathBurst1 votesI kinda agree with you, but there are better ways to put it...
What is wrong is taking whatever you want and force all the other people in your team to play around you. So sure, picking Vayne Top and harassing the jungler for picking a Tank is not cool. But saying "I'll take an Assassin Jungle and f*ck you all" is... exactly the same thing?
Of course, is the Support mains Sona and Nami, the Top mains Vayne and Teemo and the Jungle mains Elise and Nocturne, someone's gotta make a concession. The good way to do it is to discuss and ask politely, not to camp on your positions...
Mandang01 votesSince everyone's hung up on the aggression in the OP, I'll restate his (valid) point:
If you pick an ADC top, a lane where most players expect a tank, don't get mad when your jungle does the same thing. (and vice versa)
CerealBoxOfDoom1 votesDon't pick vayne top and tell the jungler to play a tank. I play assassin junglers, and I would sooner lose than pick a tank to appease you. I don't care about ranking up, unlike 95% of this community I realize that I'm not an LCS diamond pro and never will be. I am content with mid gold. If you harass me about this matter, you will be muted, blocked, and reported.
you mean youre content with not being a team player and you have a tiny champion pool