We are not the LCS

omnicron007·2/14/2018, 9:56:13 AM·182 votes·7,394 views

This post is in response to this tweet ^

We are not the LCS. Baron in solo queue is already a game changer. I've won and lost too many games to count from missed baron smites. We don't have perfect comps, we don't all have the same game strategy, we don't all have the same playstyle, etc. Games will be over even quicker than they already are, and the losing team won't feel like they really lost, or that they had any chance to execute strategy or make a comeback.

You will kill all forms of strategy for the players who just want to kill a couple of hours after work and play a video game - which is what this is. A video game. Some of us don't care about watching BIG PLAYS in the LCS, or seeing Bjergsen press R on Malzahar. Are you willing to fuck over the players in response to the LCS?

If so, I suggest you get your priorities straight.

170 Comments

BeatzBoyFTW2/14/2018, 10:10:54 AM59 votes

They should have separate balances between public servers & LCS.

Teridax682/14/2018, 12:13:44 PM56 votes

The issue I take with this change, and overall the changes that have been made to accelerate the closing of games, is that from what I've seen they actually have the opposite effect in pro play. Hyper-snowbally environments may cause most games to end sooner, but in pro games that level of risk is unacceptable, so teams have resorted to farming safely until they can safely farm no longer. Loading Baron and Dragon with even more fight-closing power risks making pro players play far more conservatively around these objectives, since the stakes around controlling them would be raised, and so would the punishment for attempting a capture and getting caught at a disadvantage.

Håppy2/14/2018, 10:03:48 AM33 votes

They've been LCS prioritized for years now.

LVL99 Helper TK2/14/2018, 11:07:56 AM31 votes

this change is not going to make LCS better. It will make LCS worse, because it's a shitty fucking change.

TWITCHTV ERONATE2/14/2018, 2:10:53 PM25 votes

Not like baron empowered sieges weren't strong enough already...

jeez and i thought baron buff was too strong for its risks before this change

THE D1C2/14/2018, 11:20:11 AM24 votes

Good news is now games will last 22 minutes now.

“Whoa, whoa slow down, why end at 18 mins I want to see how hard we can smash them with the new baron buff”

nosafterburn2/14/2018, 2:49:38 PM22 votes

You know what I would like to see a baron buff do? empower my own turrets when I'm near them. This way of we are behind and happen to steal the buff we can get a better defense and still be able to catch up and push for a greater comeback.

Barcid2/14/2018, 5:23:59 PM11 votes

Fuck you.

Not you the OP, I mean Riot. Those changes are fucking asinine stupidity on a level unreal, no other way to put it it's that outlandish.

This either makes it so teams that are behind can take baron intelligently for comeback potential,

#OR (and with far more frequency)

This will let the team that's already 5k gold ahead from snowballing down every tower force the rest of the game through brute force. 300% increased damage to turrets? And the minions are even more durable? Fuck you.

Sohleks2/14/2018, 1:29:41 PM11 votes

Baron is rarely given over in close games.

I'm just worried that they make baron push so unstoppable it'll just make baron phase pretty much just a slow surrendering of towers. Just sounds like a worse game to me. You'll have to be a dumbass to get caught while having baron if they make baron unstoppable. They might really be going over board buffing minions and stats together. Oh and don't forget elder dragon. That one makes sense to me though.

Here's a thing. Maybe Riot should stop continuously making late game champions the best in high elo/comp play because " muh winrates." They always justify nerfing champs not like them because of solo queue and shorter game times. But as the games get shorter they allow late game champions to win harder than ever if they ever get the lead with those same snowball mechanics.

TouchpadExpert2/14/2018, 1:30:41 PM8 votes

I've shared this sentiment for years. Riot is prioritizing the 1% elite over the casual player and then forcing everyone else to watch the highlight reel saying "If they can do it, so can you!" I'm not that good, I never will be that good and I have no interest in getting to that level. I just wanted a game where I can blow off some steam, mess around and not feel like I have to compete to be the best in the world.

The most fun I have ever had in this game was in the Co-op mode where I could mess around, tell jokes and play the game the way I wanted to play it. I think initially this was League of Legends' intention but with the lure of Esports money they corrupted these intentions and now League is this big flashy jumbled mess that it is today.

Schenix2/14/2018, 3:19:27 PM7 votes

I would be fine with this if they buffed the actual elder and baron to be tougher to take down tbh.

Nymzo2/14/2018, 2:08:51 PM6 votes

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You will kill all forms of strategy for the players who just want to kill a couple of hours after work and play a video game

Strategy in League of Legends? You are a funny one.

Blåbæret2/14/2018, 11:34:09 PM6 votes

Let them prioritize LCS. Watch the game die and their revenue with it.

There are other games out there.

Get Ogre Here2/14/2018, 11:59:29 AM5 votes

Recently in like one of my level 15 games this Ashe got bot tower then she ran up top and starting pinging the top laner and support back and when we were like "wtf are you doing?" she was like "Omfg you're supposed to go bot so me and support can get top tower!" and we were like "this isn't the fucking lcs..." and she was flaming us calling us bronze noobs. In level 15 blind pick. : ^)

greekvandaL2/14/2018, 12:59:47 PM5 votes

Guess i have to go back to Jungling again so i can work around baron strats again. Way to go diversity lmfao.

MalrothDragonia2/14/2018, 3:52:21 PM4 votes

you realize these buffs are only for games that go past 40 min right? Like, regular Baron is mostly the same? it already scaled at 27:30, but that power wasn't enough for longer games where it was easier to mitigate and so wasn't helping to close out games. Follow that red tracker if you want to know why they did this, it's not just for 'LCS big plays'.

oortoomeebreesuu2/14/2018, 3:16:02 PM4 votes

Remember when the game was simple and dragon just gave global gold? Remember how there were literally dozens of dragon fights per game? Now, we'll just get the ONE fight at super Elder, cuz the first elder isn't worth losing the game over right, gotta hold out for that second one.

Corrupt Bliss2/14/2018, 6:32:39 PM4 votes

What do Baron or Dragon calls have to do with us not being in the LCS, or being in the LCS for that matter? I personally love the idea or Baron and Elder Dragon. IMO Elder Dragon deserves the duration and buff. Currently, I watch players (both pro and chill) only go for infernal or mountain drakes. With the Elder Dragon buffs players and teams will want to be more proactive on their objective control and consciously think to themselves "Am I going to want to face their team with Elder Dragon?" It adds more diversity and depth to game play, while still allowing individual skill expression.

Baron is an interesting objective, and can often times turn the tables for the under dog team, or even help the winning team close out a difficult victory.

In all I think these buffs are warranted and fun, I can't wait to see the effect they will have when they go live (even after any number tuning).

Daunt2/14/2018, 1:08:18 PM4 votes

I don't disagree with the buffs to the Baron buff but i think they should make him harder to kill if he's gonna reward you so much for it.

ISLAMICWARRIOR992/15/2018, 8:14:33 AM4 votes

Yes lets balance the game around casual players rather than the people who play it a ton and do it for a living. I guess we should change the NFL rules too so casual players can have more success than the professionals lmao.

cheerfothebeer2/14/2018, 10:47:13 PM3 votes

{quoted}

This post is in response to this tweet ^

We are not the LCS. Baron in solo queue is already a game changer. I've won and lost too many games to count from missed baron smites. We don't have perfect comps, we don't all have the same game strategy, we don't all have the same playstyle, etc. Games will be over even quicker than they already are, and the losing team won't feel like they really lost, or that they had any chance to execute strategy or make a comeback.

You will kill all forms of strategy for the players who just want to kill a couple of hours after work and play a video game - which is what this is. A video game. Some of us don't care about watching BIG PLAYS in the LCS, or seeing Bjergsen press R on Malzahar. Are you willing to fuck over the players in response to the LCS?

If so, I suggest you get your priorities straight.

Preach brother. As soon as one of those geniuses at Riot can finally realized that solo Q and LCS should be handled differently we will be in a better place. Priorities please.

Leaf on Bush2/14/2018, 9:39:42 PM3 votes

Baron is less of a game changer in soloQ than in LCS because of baron pushes that are just sloppy or non-existent so enemy teams often get way more breathing room than they deserve. Also you don't need a perfect team comp to use a baron buff. I don't see any issue. It might have a minor effect on game lengths, but I personally prefer when games that are already won just fucking end instead of turning into a clown fiesta.

This has nothing to do with "lcs big plays" whatever that is even supposed to mean and it certainly won't "kill all forms of strategy". if anything it's going to make all strategies that rely on baron buff more effective.

AdeBug2/14/2018, 8:38:53 PM2 votes

IF this goes through, what I hope to see is team mates actually pushing with the buff instead of being baited into a 3v5 or smth and losing their buff for no reason.