Can we do something about flat MPen?

Spice POWAH·Nov 29, 2016·3 votes·1,136 views

I don't get why there are now 4 Lethality items ( ) which can scale into late game well, but now only 2 items for flat MPen? (technically 3 but it's on a unique passive so... ) I just don't understand why options for Magic Pen are so...rare compared to Armor pen (both Lethality and % pen), or at least why magic pen can't scale into late game when anyone who builds AD has several options to negate it, with still giving a surplus of MR.

Barring Runes, masteries and abilities, a mage can have a total of 30 Flat Pen and 35% Pen, and some champs don't even build Liandry's. meanwhile There's 6 full items that give Armor Pen of any type.

17 Comments

RivuoNov 29, 20161 votes

A normal AD champ starts with 0 flat armor pen.

A normal AP champ starts with about 8. Its easier to get magicpen then it is to get armor pen.

Lord dom is 45% of_** bonus **_armor. item 3135 is 35% Magic pen. Period. Bonus and starting...

Thats why late game when the void staffs come through, Most of AP champs will melt through tanks as opposed to bruisers/anything that doesnt have a lord dom.

There is no reason to say magic pen is weak... Literally no reason

Spice POWAHNov 29, 20161 votes

Why would an AP champ start with 8 magic pen? Runes? Besides, this is mostly about how it's weird that AP champs only get 2 items for Flat Pen when that 30 pen is negated by several AD items.

RivuoNov 29, 20161 votes

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Why would an AP champ start with 8 magic pen? Runes? Besides, this is mostly about how it's weird that AP champs only get 2 items for Flat Pen when that 30 pen is negated by several AD items.

Masteries for a standard AP champ is 8 magic pen...

And void staff is better than lord dom in every possible way.

Spice POWAHNov 29, 20161 votes

If an AP champ goes TLD, they get 3 Mpen at the start, if they don't want 45% cdr. if they go DFT they'll get 7% MPen.

Lord Dom also has a damage amp.

RivuoNov 29, 20161 votes

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If an AP champ goes TLD, they get 3 Mpen at the start, if they don't want 45% cdr. if they go DFT they'll get 7% MPen.

Lord Dom also has a damage amp.

3 mpen + 8 from masteries = 11 mpen right off the bat.

Void staff giving 80 ap is better than lord dom giving 50

Spice POWAHNov 29, 20161 votes

...Where is that other 8 from...

when that 3 IS from masteries?

RivuoNov 30, 20161 votes

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...Where is that other 8 from...

when that 3 IS from masteries?

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Spice POWAHDec 1, 20161 votes

ok then, it is from runes... could have pointed that out 3 comments ago, since I asked if it was runes

Lao Fu the TigerNov 29, 20161 votes

Wait.. Do Sorc Shoes really not stack with Liandry's? I thought it did.

ShadòwNov 29, 20161 votes

they do stack

only item 3136 and item 3151 won't

RivuoNov 29, 20161 votes

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Wait.. Do Sorc Shoes really not stack with Liandry's? I thought it did.

It does..

Lao Fu the TigerNov 29, 20161 votes

Right! Okay. I was thinking the third item was something else.

Just ignore me, I'm a bit braindead with finals week. X___________x

RivuoNov 29, 20161 votes

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Right! Okay. I was thinking the third item was something else.

Just ignore me, I'm a bit braindead with finals week. X___________x

Its fine.. I question a lot of stuff too that i shouldve known

Spice POWAHNov 29, 20161 votes

Sorc shoes do stack, but Liandry's and Guise don't stack.

ShadòwNov 29, 20161 votes

Barring Runes, masteries and abilities, a mage can have a total of 30 Flat Pen and 35% Pen

item 3020 item 3135

Critmaster GarenNov 29, 20161 votes

mr in the game is lower than armor. much lower.

a good chunk of champions doesnt even have scaling mr, though everyone has scaling armor. flat magic pen is hence more effective, and this game doesnt need more.