Can Janna's title be changed to something besides "The Storm's Fury"?

Spice POWAH·Jan 20, 2017·168 votes·5,500 views

It's always bothered me that her title is this, considering there's nothing furious or anything about her.

Gameplay wise, she plays defensively, and Lore-wise she mostly protects people.

Can it be changed to "The Storm's Grace" or something that fits with her character better?

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Bunb0tJan 20, 201748 votes

Janna, the Windspeaker

And as an added bonus, it ties into te mastery ala Ivern and Greenfathers gift mastery

mr Boombastic787Jan 20, 20176 votes

Maybe she's not the Windspeaker but the Windspeaker's blessing.

I feel sad because I was going to say that she could be the Windspeaker when I read the post and then I saw that you where first.

Hyrum GraffJan 22, 20175 votes

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Maybe she's not the Windspeaker but the Windspeaker's blessing.

I feel sad because I was going to say that she could be the Windspeaker when I read the post and then I saw that you where first.

Having her title be the exact same thing as the mastery would be confusing.

mr Boombastic787Jan 26, 20171 votes

Yeah I Think "the Windspeaker" is a better title

resumedJan 20, 20172 votes

i was thinking the exact same thing as i clicked on the thread the icon even LOOKS like it could be her

Over InnsmouthJan 20, 201733 votes

Janna: The Storms Fucking of Melee Champions.

A little wordy, but I think it fits.

Auz the RipperJan 20, 20179 votes

The tides' a little salt, aye?

Over InnsmouthJan 20, 201721 votes

My blood is 65% salt.

That's not a reference to me playing League of Legends, I just eat really badly.

Ionian VulpixJan 21, 201710 votes

~~The wind breaker~~

The Gale's Blessing?

Onkel MalteJan 20, 20179 votes

She needs something guardian-ish, spirit-ish and wind-ish.

"Janna, The Sky's Spirit"

rtbf225618241Jan 20, 20174 votes

Really sick of the Spirit shit though.

The Blue RajahJan 20, 20176 votes

Eh... it's kinda generic, don't you think?

The OasisJan 21, 201717 votes

Janna: The Last Airbender Janna: The Long-winded Woman Janna White: Gale's Killer Janna: Someone Close a Window Janna: Craftsman of Runeterra's Tiniest Tornados.

OurLestradeJan 20, 20176 votes

As long as it's not another "The Something of Place" name, getting a bit tired of those.

Chembaron YamadaJan 21, 20173 votes

You don't think "the howling storm of zaun" would be great? :^)

ZaghyrJan 21, 20176 votes

I have wanted this for so long, but I would rather have "The Storm's Embrace" considering how her winds 'embrace' her allies (passive, shield, ult) and her enemies (auto's, q, w).

OleandervineJan 20, 20175 votes

I don't think "Storm's" anything fits her at all. She's not really associated with storms, other than that she'll occasionally cause one if she's fickle or someone upsets her. I think "Whispering Gale" would probably fit her better.

rtbf225618241Jan 25, 20171 votes

Because tornadoes, knockback wind explosions and an Eye of The Storm shield are very not stormy...plus Forecast Janna is literally broadcasting from a hurricane.

Bladerunner7777Jan 21, 20174 votes

"Janna, the easiest way to get to Diamond"

Faceroll TacticsJan 20, 20173 votes

As I said on my post that got no traffic and was posted yesterday saying the exact same thing (not salty though)

Janna, the Tranquil Tempest

Spice POWAHJan 20, 20172 votes

Yeah, the boards can be fickle sometimes. I would have commented on it but I don't normally browse Story, but the title has been bothering me ever since I read her first lore. I figured that this is the perfect time to change her title, since she just got a lore rewrite.

Entheos GeonJan 21, 20173 votes

Janna, The Sheltering Sky

RozzetaJan 20, 20172 votes

Nothing furious? Tell that to Yasuo's elder.

LightIsMyPathJan 21, 20171 votes

Why would JANNA have killed a Ionian elder??

Chembaron YamadaJan 21, 20171 votes

Well, he got killed by a wind blade and it wasn't Yasuo. Janna is able to control wind. Coincidence?

notice me Sin piJan 21, 20175 votes

yes, coincidence

rtbf225618241Jan 21, 20172 votes

She summons tornadoes, a shield literally called Eye of The Storm and her ultimate knocks people away.

Why would you change the title? Cuz she's a fairy spirit with 0 aggression? Well maybe remove her kit and rework her into a new champion then while you're at it because that doesn't fit either.

Or..her lore is just horrible now and remove that instead. Both are unlikely outcomes.

Chembaron YamadaJan 21, 20172 votes

I like the new idea of her being a spirit which got empowered by the prays of the people.

rtbf225618241Jan 21, 20172 votes

You like the idea that she is now a near-non-existent champion that is non-self sufficient and is worthless in lore.

Okay.

Chembaron YamadaJan 21, 201710 votes

"Worthless in lore" while she saved a whole city when that catastrophe happened. Meanwhile we have champions like Caitlyn, who is basically really just an ordinary sheriff. Or Graves, who is just a criminal with a big gun.

Just because she got her powers because people were believing in her as a goddess doesn't automatically make her worthless. It means her actual source of her power has a weakness, if people stop believing in her she will get weakened. There is nothing wrong with that, at least in my opinion.

The old story was a child with magical powers and there were not even an explanation how she got them. She just had them and these powers "transformed" her into that elvish looking appearence.

Yes, I think the new story has more depth and I was really satisfied reading it. Opinions are different, if you dislike it, it's fine for me. I prefer the new version.

Oakleaf RangerJan 21, 20172 votes

I love her new lore. I hated her old lore and found it very unbelievable. Some chick just learns enough about wind magic that she transforms/ascends into a wind being. Like that alone might have been believable but then you realize she is from Zaun and dresses like a forest/nature spirit. You think someone like that would live in one of most polluted areas in the world? Or dress a little more sensible for her environment? How did she move for 5 minutes and not be covered in grime? Sure she can have some sort of aura like in her current lore but seeing this person in Zaun would piss me off (oh look the skank that never has to breath the same air as we do or touch the same filthy floor). Her new one makes the concept of a wind being living in a polluted area much acceptable. Especially with how the events unfold to create the situation.

rtbf225618241Jan 21, 20171 votes

This is more of a mistake on the designer's part for making her near-half nude. Not her lore. I always liked Victorious Janna because THAT should be her Classic splash art. Personally, while i liked the previous splash for her beauty, you can't deny that outfit is stupidly revealing and unfitting as it ridicules her personality. Plus the fucking /joke..

Oakleaf RangerJan 22, 20172 votes

I didn't have problem with the look and joke. I liked but then I read her lore and was like uhhh. For me it wa like mixing water and oil. Just not gonna work. Then I read the new lore and was delighted to see a story and bio was well done and believable.

rtbf225618241Jan 22, 20171 votes

"I didn't have a problem that her visual depiction is slutty and her joke a literal sex reference and i like the shallow retarded lore without a background for her own past."

You didn't specify or say why. You just said "The old lore is bad the new one is good."

Goes to say what kind of people am i arguing against here.

Oakleaf RangerJan 22, 20171 votes

I was just giving my opinion. I don't really care about looks as long as the character design fits the theme and personality. Old lore didn't really do that for me because her design didn't mesh well with her home/environment. New lore fixed that in a wonderful way. Jokes are jokes. They can be crude, childish, simple, and/or dry. As long it's not out of place for character than I don't see a problem. Everyone has their own type of humor just like a fleshed out characters can. It fits her well for me ( it's a wind/air joke, what more can I ask for?). I'm fine with it being a more adult oriented joke though. Just cause you don't like that though doesn't mean all the jokes in game need to made around your sense of humor. But hey I didn't really want to write an essay either so...

Just goes to show that's what you have to do though to make a point to your kind of people who for being all uppity can't read between the lines or try to view a point from another perspective.

rtbf225618241Jan 22, 20171 votes

The fact that i have to write an essay to your shorter reply already shows how much is wrong with it..

I was just giving my opinion. I don't really care about looks as long as the character design fits the theme and personality.

That sentence contradicts itself ridiculously. The theme and personality is IN THE CHARACTER'S LOOKS. Why do you think people cried when Fiora's splash got changed, genius? Janna's looks also used to be the main thing people argued against me with by the way so she couldn't be anything more than a whore since her in-game and splash doesn't add up.

I can't get over that stupid sentence, it makes NO SENSE whatsoever. You don't care what Jinx would look like as long as it fits? You wouldn't care what Ahri would look like as long as it fits? Or Garen? Darius? Vel'Koz? Lee Sin?? Teemo?? They all have looks based on their personalities.

The visuals are ALWAYS the first impression of a character.

. They can be crude, childish, simple, and/or dry. As long it's not out of place for character than I don't see a problem.

First of all: Out of place? Ofcourse it's fucking out of place, how does this joke fit her? The second one that references her VO before the current one is at least somewhat witty.

This sex joke itself is not really anything. It's so literal and childish it feels like an insult towards Janna. "Yes it's true, for only 2.95 a minute, i'll do dirty stuff to you." -"Uhm..o-ok. then." like how is that a joke?

It's (in a way) mocking those call-services and cheap advertisements but that's nowhere near as far as most players think. They see near a-half naked hot girl with a pole to dance around. I swear to god, it infuriates me so much to think that's what people think fits her. People clearly are more shallow than i first thought.

I'm fine with it being a more adult oriented joke though. Just cause you don't like that though doesn't mean all the jokes in game need to made around your sense of humor. But hey I didn't really want to write an essay either so...

Second, yeah you're fine with it as you've made clear already obviously. And i didn't say it has to be centered around my humor, i said it shouldn't be directly insulting and destroying a character's background. Most people don't even know her previous lore and won't know the new one either seeing as how boring and stupid it is. You don't need to say "That's your opinion." cuz first - no shit, and second - that's also a fact. I've yet to meet a single person who knows Janna's prev. lore.

Just goes to show that's what you have to do though to make a point to your kind of people who for being all uppity can't read between the lines or try to view a point from another perspective.

Between the lines?? Read what between the lines? Did you just come up with that to bring an empty point against me that you can't even understand? There are no metaphors in Janna's story other than "I'm very generous."

The fact that you're telling me i can't find another perspective when one of my complaints was that there are no other perspectives except the people of Zaun's (Like for example, Janna's own perspective) already shows how much attention you've been paying.

I'm expecting you to just run away at this point.

Oakleaf RangerJan 23, 20171 votes

Let me first clarify when I say to look at this from another perspective. When I say that, I mean you should look at it from someone who sees her joke for what it is, a joke. But more on that later. When I say the theme and personality should be on based a character's design, I say that because I believe Janna's old lore didn't live up to this. A character's appearance can be beautiful or ugly. It doesn't matter as long it falls in line with their personality and theme. She is a being who utilizes wind. I imagine someone like that prefer loose fitting clothes or with their skin being able to feel the wind/air around. At the very least they would prefer that over wearing heavy clothing or being cover head to toe. Being from Zaun was what made part of her theme or "character design" feel out of place. She just looks too out of place for city full of metal, pollution, and grime. Her old lore didnt really give a good explanation for it and but her new one does. First off she isn't even originally from Zaun so now there is good reason to not necessarily look as if she is from there. What makes you think she too revealing? Is it because she isn't Ahri or Evelyn that Janna is forbidden to have any sex appeal? Where is it said that she can't? I'm not saying she should or can't have any but you give the impression she just can't. You understand the purpose of jokes right? They exist poke fun at things. They shouldn't be viewed as serious aspect of the champion saying it or true reflection of the champion. The joke is not as literal as you initially as say it is you even point that out. I wouldn't even say it supposed to poke fun at those call service either (you could make an argument for it I guess but it would pretty hard IMO). The point of the joke is when pay a person to leave you "breathless", you would expect it be pleasurable. Unless of course the person you are paying can control air/ wind and literally leave you breathless. Tada I just taught you what double meaning is. By your logic though Swain is ruined as a character since the leader of tough and powerful nation breaks character by making chicken noises when you do his jokes in bird form. God forbid that a joke can poke fun at the champion itself. Someone call the joke police because Swain's own joke makes fun of him. Guess the new Warwick is a failure in your eyes since the dark anti hero is willing to do anything for Warwick snack. Sorry if the jokes weren't simple enough for you to get by yourself. Riot should make a conscious effort to dumb down their jokes for you though. But at least you met a person who also knows old Janna's lore now. we are obviously among the few who know her long lost lore that only Riot and us know about.

rtbf225618241Jan 23, 20171 votes

No shit it's a joke. It literally functions under the binding for /joke. I know it's meant to be a joke. You said "They can be crude, childish, simple, and/or dry. As long it's not out of place for character than I don't see a problem."

Well what if i told you it's all of those and out of place? It's what many people i've talked to on Janna's identity that has gotten them to assume she's just a slut. Some even bring examples of her joke being a valid point as if Summoner's Rift is canon anymore.

So you think for an element-oriented champion they have to originate from a valid geographical location? You do realize that Janna learned Wind magic and propably is descended from Wind mages? That's her bloodline. She was taught the harsh reality of life in Zaun, where poverty and innocent people live side by side. By that you could also say that she belongs to fucking Ionia as that's the "China of League" with natural forests and 0 pollution everywhere aligned with tradition ofcourse. It's too predictable. I don't like that trait Ionia has to be honest but whatever. At least the champions are unique. Zaun is filled with fucked up stuff and terrible law enforcement. But instead of seeking to right her home, she works as a half time janitor there. Like seriously, what the hell?

Where did you take it that she is not originally from Zaun?

Is it because she isn't Ahri or Evelyn that Janna is forbidden to have any sex appeal? Where is it said that she can't?

WHAT?? How the fuck is that a reason to justify...that...point? The fuck? Ahri and Evelynn are ridiculously sexualized aswell. At least Ahri has a reason. Evelynn is literally a BDSM joke. Don't even try to argue against it, everyone that has commented on her splash has taken that as a damn joke. Janna's sex appeal is through the roof because of her wearing a few shreds of paper around her private parts and that's pretty much it. Tempest Janna is even more revealing. Have you seen the Star Guardian skin? That outfit makes her look like a chinese sex doll. Well whatever, this isn't about skins. Her joke isn't helping at all either as you may have noticed.

Also as a side note, most of League's champions are sexualized regardless of gender. That's a bad thing overall. Not just about Janna.

Tada I just taught you what double meaning is!

You have clearly skipped every time i've said "Janna is perceived as a slut for this very joke and her outfit." completely. Her seductive voice and appearance TOTALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT HER LITTLE PUN. It's what she is perceived as, and i don't care whose fault it is, Riot came up with that shit joke and here's the consequence. Putting up warnings doesn't make everyone cautious either. Ta-da. i just taught you how the general community prefers literal context over subtle one. In other words - easier to understand things. They side with that.

No shit i get the pun! Nobody cares about that though.

Swain has a way stronger identity than Janna. In-fact, you can't compare Janna's identity to anyone right now because it's in complete ruins and extremely weak. She doesn't have anything you can attach to other than "I'm a good girl." You can actually understand what Swain is like and sort-of assume his background just by reading the first lines from his lore. You can't understand jack shit about Janna's personal and i mean PERSONAL - Her OWN lore not a little pipeline event in Zaun or a woman having a bad day lore. Her own lore! That explains the what, where and why. Not just where and "magic".

Let's take Azir for example. He has pigeon jokes but his voice, his manner of movement and his whole background + abilities dwarf that. Because his joke is tasteful and well placed. He's not going "Hmm yea...you totally make Shurima rise with that level of skill.." with a moaning voice (Idk i made it up in like 1 minute).

It's out of place and stupid. The pun is insignificant next to the joke it's aligned with.

we are obviously among the few who know her long lost lore that only Riot and us know about.

Making fun of me won't accomplish anything. If you do know her previous lore then congrats, you are one of the very few that i know who do then. Feel special already? Good. Anyway, i already made my point so i don't need to address your mockery of dumbing down jokes for my sake as if that's what i was implying at when i literally said:

First of all: Out of place? Ofcourse it's fucking out of place, how does this joke fit her? The second one that references her VO before the current one is at least somewhat witty.

This sex joke itself is not really anything. It's so literal and childish it feels like an insult towards Janna. "Yes it's true, for only 2.95 a minute, i'll do dirty stuff to you." -"Uhm..o-ok. then." like how is that a joke?

But you go ahead and forget about that. It'll certainly improve your side of the argument. Mhm.

And since you ignored some of my points overlooking them completely from my previous reply i am going to assume you'll do it again.

Oakleaf RangerJan 23, 20171 votes

Oh I did I throw in some personal attacks in there? I'm sorry, I tend to do that when someone throws shade into their arguments, something a saint like you would never do. If her joke created the image of a slut in the minds of those people, well that's on them. Not my fault they can't or aren't willing to see the joke for what it really is. I think its a well written that also doesn't overshadow/break her character. None of the jokes in the game break a champion's character since none of them are meant to be taken seriously. Its a joke about wind. To believe that is ludicrous even if that character isn't as fleshed out as Swain or Azir. Jokes are about as canon as Graves vaping. To say Janna is a slut/whore because of her joke is being ignorant. I don't even know how you could take someone seriously after telling you she is a whore because of her joke. A person capable of wind magic can very likely leave you "breathless" in a bad way. You say the joke isn't witty yet I do. If you don't think a joke with a double meaning isn't witting then what is? Well if that isn't along her theme then please tell me what it is. Since apparently the wind lady saying a wind joke doesn't fit.

FYI, if you hadn't realized it yet I liked the pun. But according to you I must be the only one.

I think a wind mage from Zaun would at look the part. Not a one piece of hextech is on her. Her look has leaves no impression of being from Zaun. That what I really hated about her old lore. At first glance you would think she originated from Ionia or Freljord. Her NEW LORE has her coming into existence from belief/prayer from those who sailed the waters asking for protection. So now I don't have any qualms about her not looking as if she is from Zaun. It may be her base of operations as of now but she didn't start off there.

I don't have an issue with her look or any of the other league champions. If they want to be easy on the eyes then whatever. No skins off my bones, as long it doesn't overshadow their character (which none of them do). Janna at least looked the part even if it didn't appear as from Zaun based on her old lore. She has clothes where it matters and presents herself in a magic windy way. If you want more that's fine, but you cant say she doesn't at least look the part already. Do you have evidence that the league community views her as whore? I get the impression that its more of a meme/gag than what people actually think of her. Your going to have show me something that proves that the league community prefer literal over subtle content, otherwise this what they call "talking out your ass".

"Yes it's true, for only 2.95 a minute, i'll do dirty stuff to you."

Your right that is bad and unfunny joke. Glad you didn't change the joke from what it really is to suit your opinion.

Oakleaf RangerJan 24, 20171 votes

The first refers to your rudeness whenever you addresses me in your arguements. You didn't see me taking pot shots at you at the start. Having a difference of opinion is fine but being impolite isn't. The rioter in question who "confirmed"that graves vapes is also a well known jokester. Until something more concrete is revealed about him vaping, I wouldn't take it seriously. Where did you pull out that 52? Jokes can be clever but whether they are in good taste or not is something different. Sexual jokes tend to walk a fine line between being in good taste or bad. In this case I think it was okay. It had build up and a double meaning. Not just two words with almost no choices for interpretation. Oh hey the moon lady is making moon jokes. But the wind lady making winds jokes that has a sexual aspect to it is bad? By your standards though Swain's and Warwicks joke are bad and break character. The only thing different is that what breaks their character doesn't have anything sexually involved. Ekko isn't augmented either but he doesn't stand out of place in Zaun. He has "tech" on his personal. His appearance matched that of Zaun which old Janna lore didn't explain why she got a free pass. Your right that we don't know the exact beginning of Janna but we do know she was there before Zaun existed as shown in her new lore. In fact she appeared and helped those who where caught in the explosion that lead to the creation of Zaun. You didn't defeat anything. Before Zaun it was pretty much implied/hinted that she just spent her time helping water faring folk and bringing trouble to those with ill intentions. You agree she looks the part maybe it is too skimpy but I don't expect s person who wields wind power to be too keen on the clothes part. You think it's too little and I think it's fine. At this point it's just personal preference on how they want to depict her. I think they did fine but you think it was over done. I don't think it's right to compare Janna and MF like that. Your only point on her being a whore is on a optional joke while MF has a quite few lines than just a joke. Not really a fair comparison. Did you even read into the star guardian lore? She was leader but ended up losing being separated from her old team. Now she serves as a mentor for her new team. It is mentioned though she wanted to step down after whatever happened between her old team which is why isn't currently a leader and just a person to look to when in need of someone who may have previous experience. The skin was pretty good but keep in mind she wasn't the focus of the star guardian skins. Otherwise her skin would have had more work done to it. Honestly you shouldn't have even linked that since all I got was the impression of Sharjo laying it into you. Like I said earlier that's really what just is just a gag/meme. As it is can't become more than that unless something is changed to support that joke in more a serious light. I haven't really said anything about skins cause I find that irrelevant to this. Reason being that skins exist to show champions in different and unique ways (or just for sake of having different ways to personalize a champion to each players taste). The irony isn't real because that's warping the one an okay joke to bad. Also my standards vary for jokes just depends on how I feel usually. But I enjoy simple to long and witty to an occasional pun.

Also here is a link to a video that is an exaggerated impression I have of you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XARMbTEGVDk I don't really even want to go at this point I'm just moving now.

HexaDecimelJan 24, 20172 votes

Lol, do you seriously have nothing better to do then to go back through four month's worth of posts just to find a likely accurate comment to get all butt hurt about?

rtbf225618241Jan 25, 20171 votes

This reply from you is so empty i didn't even get a notification.

And i was going back to it to copy the link for this other guy here. I just glanced over the comments for a second and saw your nice little joke fitting for someone below 15. Honestly, i can't believe some Mod didn't notice that.

Also, i wasn't talking to you in the first place. Don't think you can invade random sections and come after me or something like that just to mock me.

rtbf225618241Jan 26, 20171 votes

You should start spacing because this wall of text didn't even show up in the notifications for some reason and it's hard to read. Also the point of view you're taking is very infuritating for me since it portrays her as something cruelly less and far from the person i see her as and i've seen this happen 50+ times now and i'm tired of explaining this.

I don't have to be especially polite against people who support defiling someone i have/had a connection with. I'm not breaking any rules as long as i don't trip over anything actually offensive. I have had a warning before for doing that so i know better.

Pretty much every Rioter who interacts with the Community is in some way aside from Service reports is a jokester. It's not a valid argument. He is also in Narrative and those guys have all the power in the world to morph the lore into a Disney Park playground if they wanted to. The canoness of the vape thing was also confirmed somewhere more recent but i can't remember it.

Where did you pull out that 52?

I literally gave you a link. [Here](http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/ZdvPk9TW-oh-look-star-guardian-skins-what-janna-

is-portrayed-as-a-badass-veteran-in-it-maybe).

Jokes can be clever but whether they are in good taste or not is something different.

Clever and taste can mean the same thing by the way depending on the viewpoint.

Sexual jokes tend to walk a fine line between being in good taste or bad. In this case I think it was okay. It had build up and a double meaning.

Where is the build up exactly? Do you know what build up means? The joke had no climax (no pun intended at all) and i already explained how double meaning doesn't turn the joke automatically into a genius-level great idea. Most sex jokes have double meanings. It's a hint at something sexual by using an otherwise harmless saying. "Do you want to..come inside?" Or, "I'll get your blood going from the cold." See? It has double meaning based on context but it's always a dirty joke regardless. Doesn't make it decent and is pretty insulting towards the character. Unless it's MF ofcourse.. in case you haven't noticed, i don't like her in-game lines at all (Or Eve but she fits given she's a walking joke thematically.) but that's another thread.

Oh hey the moon lady is making moon jokes. But the wind lady making winds jokes that has a sexual aspect to it is bad? By your standards though Swain's and Warwicks joke are bad and break character. The only thing different is that what breaks their character doesn't have anything sexually involved.

Again you oversimplify it to make it sound bad. Anything in the whole League can be made to sound the way you want if you oversimplify it.

"Aatrox is op, he has free attack speed out of just using abilities once, his ult drains life and increase as and attack range. His W doubles on low health, bloodthirster+botrk+essence reaver+hydra! Has a gap closer! A slow! And A FREE GA! He becomes unkillable!" except it's not true at all and he is useless in a literal 1v1 lane called Top Lane. Well not exactly but much better in the Jungle.

Diana makes a joke.. In case you didn't notice, it sparks some emotion into her character because her previous lore had issues with showing her humanity outside of anger. Most readers (again) thought she was evil for killing the Solari elders. Except that her sense of justice and how they would defile her body and gut her for trying to just enlighten and willingly stay in blindness intentionally overcame her rationale. To make it more clear to you, imagine if someone you cared a lot about was sentenced to death against all evidence in the courtroom and the execution would happen instantly. Would you hold back? Nope.

Janna's joke is irrelevant and stupidly out of place. It holds no purpose other than to try and make a snarky comment. It succeeds in being a joke but portrays a false picture many have told me is canon. The link is up there.

It's not that champions can't have sex jokes, it's that the sex joke shouldn't be slapped on a character that is almost half-nude, her lore is open to interpretation because she apparently "used her wits" to survive as one of the guys from the post said that she basically fucked a lot of men to get money or something. The joke reinforces that false image.

I mean look at Eve. I know i said she's a walking joke but that's not because of her lore or lines. It's solely because of the outfit. I can picture her with normal clothes and the joke would make sense because of the delivery and her voice. It works well without compromising her. Plus, she's propably evil anyway (i think) so it fits the aggressive theme.

Ekko isn't augmented either but he doesn't stand out of place in Zaun. He has "tech" on his personal.

The only difference is that it's attached to him. What the hell does that have anything to do with being augmented? You're nitpicking a small detail in my sentence structure to make this ooint last one more reply. Any Hextech related crap is not something that is nessecary. And i already told you that Janna learned it from Wind mages. Idk where but i assume Piltover since that's where she ended up. Her lore made it very clear in the first line already. How can you miss that?

These comments are so long. I swear to god it's not worth propably but i have something downloading in the background fortunately.

Your right that we don't know the exact beginning of Janna but we do know she was there before Zaun existed as shown in her new lore. In fact she appeared and helped those who where caught in the explosion that lead to the creation of Zaun. You didn't defeat anything. Before Zaun it was pretty much implied/hinted that she just spent her time helping water faring folk and bringing trouble to those with ill intentions.

We don't even know that. We just know she came to be when fishermen started praying to her (when exactly?) and it's not confirmed she was even sentient before she turned into a woman. Idk it's so confusing to think about it cuz nothing about her background is confirmed and deriving "hints" from it isn't proving anything. It's not obvious enough. By the time she helped clean up that mess with the explosion she had already lived long enough to gain enough adroration for her transformation to happen. We don't know how long that took.

Mind i say "bringing trouble to those with ill intentions" sounds very gentle. Meaning she propably has very light fighting abilities. The in-game Janna is Seasons old, it's propably not canon to the lore Janna now.

You agree she looks the part maybe it is too skimpy but I don't expect s person who wields wind power to be too keen on the clothes part.

As you've propably noticed, this argument is mainly about her lore which prompted it to be "appropriate" when it never was before and it still looks disgustingly revealing. I don't care what's the excuse.

Did you even read into the star guardian lore? She was leader but ended up losing being separated from her old team. Now she serves as a mentor for her new team. It is mentioned though she wanted to step down after whatever happened between her old team which is why isn't currently a leader and just a person to look to when in need of someone who may have previous experience.

To be fair, that lore i actually liked a lot because it puts my ideals on her character far better than her own lore has so far. I didn't like the skin's own appearance.

Honestly you shouldn't have even linked that since all I got was the impression of Sharjo laying it into you.

Sharjo? You mean the guy who basically said "She's not slutty at all." and then left? Or the upvotes he got? Because neither matter at all. He didn't support his claim and left after the 2 comments plus the upvotes are from the others, most of which don't even have the mental capacity to tackle the conversation without some form of an insult or provokation.

Like I said earlier that's really what just is just a gag/meme. As it is can't become more than that unless something is changed to support that joke in more a serious light.

If you're referring to Janna's joke then i already explained why it's inappropriate a number of times. You're making it sound harmless when the harm's already been done.

If it's something else you're talking about then do specify.

Reason being that skins exist to show champions in different and unique ways (or just for sake of having different ways to personalize a champion to each players taste).

A skin is also a permanent mark on a champion which portrays the champion in a different way. It doesn't mean you can do whatever the fuck you want with it cuz it's not canon. You're still using a champion and influencing them by having players look at it, use it and get the whole expierence from it.

The irony isn't real because that's warping the one an okay joke to bad.

I don't really even want to go at this point I'm just moving now.

I don't know what you are referring to or talking about at this point. Seriously you need to learn how to use quotation marks to surround what i said in boxes so it would be easier to read. Otherwise i'll start writing the same way you do. With a huge wall of fucking text. If you don't know how then press enter to at least use spacing. Jesus.

Also here is a link to a video that is an exaggerated impression I have of you.

Really? A comparison to a feminazi? I am not addressing some tiny details and blowing them out of proportion. I am demanding respect and care for a champion i loved for a long time and she gets squashed. That's a severe exxaggeration.

rtbf225618241Jan 26, 20171 votes

Where did you pull out that 52?

I literally gave you a link. The thread has like 53 downvotes and a ton of people in the comments, if you dig through eventually, that you'll see making up claims that really pushed the line between morality and my anger for them to be honest because i was a lot angrier when i was doing that thread.

is-portrayed-as-a-badass-veteran-in-it-maybe).

Jokes can be clever but whether they are in good taste or not is something different.

Clever and taste can mean the same thing by the way depending on the viewpoint.

Sexual jokes tend to walk a fine line between being in good taste or bad. In this case I think it was okay. It had build up and a double meaning.

Oh hey the moon lady is making moon jokes. But the wind lady making winds jokes that has a sexual aspect to it is bad? By your standards though Swain's and Warwicks joke are bad and break character. The only thing different is that what breaks their character doesn't have anything sexually involved.

Again you oversimplify it to make it sound bad. Anything in the whole League can be made to sound the way you want if you oversimplify it.

Ekko isn't augmented either but he doesn't stand out of place in Zaun. He has "tech" on his personal.

These comments are so long. I swear to god it's not worth propably but i have something downloading in the background fortunately.

Your right that we don't know the exact beginning of Janna but we do know she was there before Zaun existed as shown in her new lore. In fact she appeared and helped those who where caught in the explosion that lead to the creation of Zaun. You didn't defeat anything. Before Zaun it was pretty much implied/hinted that she just spent her time helping water faring folk and bringing trouble to those with ill intentions.

You agree she looks the part maybe it is too skimpy but I don't expect s person who wields wind power to be too keen on the clothes part.

Did you even read into the star guardian lore? She was leader but ended up losing being separated from her old team. Now she serves as a mentor for her new team. It is mentioned though she wanted to step down after whatever happened between her old team which is why isn't currently a leader and just a person to look to when in need of someone who may have previous experience.

To be fair, that lore i actually liked a lot because it puts my ideals on her character far better than her own lore has so far. I didn't like the skin's own appearance.

Honestly you shouldn't have even linked that since all I got was the impression of Sharjo laying it into you.

Like I said earlier that's really what just is just a gag/meme. As it is can't become more than that unless something is changed to support that joke in more a serious light.

If you're referring to Janna's joke then i already explained why it's inappropriate a number of times. You're making it sound harmless when the harm's already been done.

If it's something else you're talking about then do specify.

Reason being that skins exist to show champions in different and unique ways (or just for sake of having different ways to personalize a champion to each players taste).

The irony isn't real because that's warping the one an okay joke to bad.

I don't really even want to go at this point I'm just moving now.

Also here is a link to a video that is an exaggerated impression I have of you.

rtbf225618241Jan 21, 20172 votes

She barely saved anything. And that was worthless in lore as in comparison to every other champion's lore. It's so minor what she did noone will ever hear nor care about it. For all we know, a single area in Zaun was affected. Beyond that, noone even knows or remembers her. Noone has ever mentioned Janna outside of..her own lore.

Caitlyn? You do know, Jhin is coming to Piltover and Rioters explicitly stated that Caitlyn and Vi will be involved. She's also a highly liked character because of the Cait-Vi-Jinx triangle.

And Graves? Graves got a whole freaking event dedicated to him with a compelling backstory plus he is heading to Piltover with TF so what the heck is this comparison? He and TF have like the most extended lores right now.

Just because she got her powers because people were believing in her as a goddess doesn't automatically make her worthless. It means her actual source of her power has a weakness, if people stop believing in her she will get weakened. There is nothing wrong with that, at least in my opinion.

Well yes but exactly how many such stupidly easy weaknesses do other champions have? Think about let's say Xerath. What is constraining him? Is he shackled behind worship? Nope. He just does whatever the fuck he wants. Or Brand, whose lore is so weird, i'd assume he's a fire elemental spirit or something and he isn't tied to anything. He also can do whatever the fuck he wants. Janna can be killed by not praising her. It's as simple as that. So imagine if she was forgotten, she would become non-existent and weak as hell with nothing to do about it but die out. Doing nothing kills her presence completely. Literally.

The old story was a child with magical powers and there were not even an explanation how she got them. She just had them and these powers "transformed" her into that elvish looking appearence.

First of all, that elvish looking appearance was not her original splash art. That's not the Janna in the previous lore. It was a setup for this spirit bullshit.

Second, having talent for magic she learned. It was explained easily in a couple sentences. It did say "She virtually became an avatar of air overnight." but it said "virtually" as in comparison to others who learned wind magic. She was just very talented and it was said she learned from teachers.

I feel like you haven't even read the previous lore or just don't care and come making false claims.

The previous Janna lore literally starts like this:

"There are those sorcerers who give themselves over to the primal powers of nature, forgoing the learned practice of magic. Such a sorceress is Janna, who first learned magic as an orphan growing up amidst the chaos that is the city-state of Zaun. ...!"

The new story has no depth whatsoever, it is THERE where she has no background, no motivation other than being pure goodness incarnate somehow (unexplained), her powers coming from nowhere, her very existence being questionable as she's some random spirit from some random source which we will propably never find out, her humanity lost and her identity with it. Plus, she's such an under the radar character now that she will never have any expansion on her lore, and no influence among perhaps even Zaun given how useless she is aside from helping small groups of people like that is super cool compared to whatever the fuck Taliyah for example is doing. That means she has no potential to become anything more either. She will remain this superstitious fairy that will "poof" in and out of Zaun to say Hi and hug people then go away forever as she can't develop further beyond that due to being neutral as hell.

Chembaron YamadaJan 21, 20178 votes

I mentioned Caitlyn and Graves not because I say they have no lore. But you call Janna "useless aside from helping small groups of people" (nice opinion btw, you seem like a great philanthropist), because she has no power if no one believes in her. Graves literally has no power in runeterra, he is just an ordinary guy with a weapon. Caitlyn is a normal person, too.

Janna on the other hand is a spirit with control over wind. She has actual power. Conditional power, that's right, but at least she has some.

They just reworked Janna's lore, but to say she didn't get mentioned outside of it is wrong. She gets mentioned several times in the new Zaun stories. Meanwhile we have characters like Bard, who LITERALLY never get mentioned in any lore. He doesn't even have an own, we just know he is an astral being caring for balance. We have absolutely no clue what he did in all this time, all we got is a cinematic with a stone and we still have no clue what that was about. You are pretty exaggerating when it comes to Janna in this term.

She has lore, she saved a big part of the city, people are worshipping her for what she did. How can you say she didn't have an impact?

And many champions have really easy weaknesses. Many don't have any power at all, so you don't have to find a weakness.

Ekko for example has a really easy weakness, too. Take away his Z-drive and he is nothing more than a teenager with intelligence above average.

Illaoi has no own power as well. All she is doing is borrowing the power of her god, Nakagaborous. Without that god, Illaoi is actually just a woman with some muscles.

And you don't have an idea of Janna's motivation.... Really? People asking for her help was why she was born. Her motivation to help people (which fits her role as a support) comes from her very existence. If she doesn't help people, if she doesn't have an impact at all, people wouldn't worship her. She will get forgotten and die, like you described. Seems like a motivation for me.

xxxDogmanxxxJan 21, 20172 votes

She's called the Storm's Fury because she tilts the hell out of her teammates whenever she ults the 12hp enemy MissFortune away RIGHT AFTER HER TEAMMATES JUST DASHED ON THE FUCKER. Fuck you, Janna.