Garen offers no counterplay

MMM Monster kill·Aug 17, 2019·1 votes·1,145 views

He can flash + Q on you, E and then just ult you and kill you.

YOu can't cc him cause you're silenced, you can't flash cause you're silenced, you can't dash away cause you're silenced.

But there's one thing that you can do, you can hope that "R" on his keyboard somehow stopped working right at the moment when he was s about to ult you.

14 Comments

giannishannibalAug 17, 20193 votes

Flash has 600 second cooldown. Apart from that death you can kite him , stun him root him. Also if you build item 3076 or item 3123 or item 3165 early combined with item 3047 you have made Garens day for the first 20 min a nightmare.

As for counterpicks they are Teemo (if he time it he can blind Garen Q and half of his damage is gone), any range top laner (kennen,jayce,gnar) and mage picks like vladimir, karma, lissandra. Quin quite fit there as she can simply E away from garen and simply roam to other lanes to get ahead.

Furthermore, a good riven or renecton or jax can simply deny him his Q then turn around and all in for a short trade and walk out. There is fiora that can parry either his Q or his ult and her ult deal true damage too and heal her.

Finally there picks that simply will deny him any interraction and won be able to kill garen unless enemy jungler helps like poppy, maokai, malphite tha simply build defensive and garen cant make them stay and fight him for long.

MMM Monster killAug 17, 20192 votes

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Flash has 600 second cooldown. Apart from that death you can kite him , stun him root him. Also if you build or or early combined with you have made Garens day for the first 20 min a nightmare.

As for counterpicks they are Teemo (if he time it he can blind Garen Q and half of his damage is gone), any range top laner (kennen,jayce,gnar) and mage picks like vladimir, karma, lissandra. Quin quite fit there as she can simply E away from garen and simply roam to other lanes to get ahead.

Furthermore, a good riven or renecton or jax can simply deny him his Q then turn around and all in for a short trade and walk out. There is fiora that can parry either his Q or his ult and her ult deal true damage too and heal her.

Finally there picks that simply will deny him any interraction and won be able to kill garen unless enemy jungler helps like poppy, maokai, malphite tha simply build defensive and garen cant make them stay and fight him for long.

build item 3076 on adc or mid laner? good luck with that

BladeSteelAug 17, 20193 votes

You ignored the or. Good luck with not trying to learn.

Polaris IAug 17, 20192 votes

Flash has s 300 second cd and why would you build gw? His heal only works out of combat

ThisName1sDumbAug 18, 20191 votes

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Flash has s 300 second cd and why would you build gw? His heal only works out of combat

Yeah I was going to say the same things lol. Almost everything he said other than counterpicks was wrong :P

Daddy AntsAug 17, 20192 votes

Garen no counterplay?

Hahahahaahahaha you serious?

MMM Monster killAug 17, 20191 votes

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Garen no counterplay?

Hahahahaahahaha you serious?

tell me what can adc do if garen flashes + Q on him. He can't flash cause he's silenced, can't cc him cause he's silenced, can't dash away cause he's silence and garen will just Q+E+R. booom dead.

Polaris IAug 17, 20192 votes

Good positioning? Vision? Realize flash has a long cd? Don’t be sitting in the front?

enshineAug 17, 20192 votes

at this point i'm convinced it's just b8

Darkdemon653Aug 17, 20191 votes

I guess it's a good thing this is a team game.

GayrensTariAug 18, 20191 votes

Garen OP he doesn't even need mana suckers

bewarefeedingAug 18, 20191 votes

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

SEKAIAug 18, 20191 votes

If you mean counterplay as specifically in the moment to moment play interaction, then no, not really. It's because his play style is mostly 1-dimensional, so he has lacking counterplay because he can't do many things besides running at you in the first place. For what it is, a no-counterplay born from a 1-dimensial-ness of a champ is a hell of a lot healthier than some champs that have no counterplay because they do so much shit with their absurdly overloaded kit that just overwhelm the opponent, if you get what I mean.

Garen can also be built against. Sort of. Or at least you can stack HP and get Ninja Tabi and hope for the best.

But then again with champs like Garen, they are usually very vulnerable to counterpicking. And that is very indeed the case for him. He has a lot of counterpick to deal with. You have 2 ways to counterpick against him:

You either pull out better duelist like Yorick or Morde or Darius etc (One of his biggest counter is ironically Darius, a champion that came about as a Garen rip-off, due to the former's ability to completely deny Garen's healing as well as possessing a better ulti than the latter's) into his face and roll him over,
Or you pick someone with range and he just roll over in defeat.This is due to Garen being one of the champs that suffer the most against kiting, as he has no reliable gapcloser and methods of sticking with people (Darius for instance, also wins this front by having 2 CCs as opposed to Garen's 1, and one of them is a pull).