Like the title says :) this is a new account BTW. I got my secondary last game and had to lane against an 
. Cancer playing into her with Wukong. But so is playing into...
….basically the entire top meta.
Xavanic4 votesAll of those champs (minus aatrox/viktor) have reasonable counterplay, illoai has been weak for over a season, you just have to learn to play against her Edit: for the people that don't believe me Darius - Scales very poorly without gold, build a bit of sustain and armor and he cant win trades anymore, don't try to duel after 2 though, as dueling is where he thrives, BUT, if he's trying to Q you, e onto him and duel, esp before 6 because once he misses that axe head hit, he loses most of his dmg Garen - Literally does nothing after the laning phase, just don't feed him so he doesn't scale enough to one shot the adc, if he tries to engage W Urgot - Press w and walk away whenever he wants to trade and uses his stuff, afterwards engage Kled - Trade with him until he's about to dismount, (don't intentionally dismount him though) wait for cooldowns, kill him Ornn - Just kill him before 4 and he will start to fall behind Sion - Just e out of his Q Mundo - let him push and get an early gank, he has no escapes and his health costs are high Irelia - scales VERY poorly without gold, so she will try to fight whenever possible, W on her shield thing then engage once its down, beware of her 6 all in Illoai - Literally....just build a vampiric scepter and avoid her E, if she keeps poking with Q watch her mana, once its below 60, engage on her Only champs without reasonable counterplay are aatrox and viktor
Solo Q Memes4 votesI left out that I one trick Wukong. Try playing Wukong into any of those champions and let me know how you do.
Xavanic2 votes[{quoted}](name=Solo Q Memes,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RvInA9qu,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-11-04T06:42:05.055+0000)
I left out that I one trick Wukong. Try playing Wukong into any of those champions and let me know how you do.
um....you don't play into them? you play around them, most of these champs are very easy to avoid, plus tbh, wukong is more of a mid laner now then anything, and you have 2 games on wukong.....if you were a one trick you would barely have anything else
Solo Q Memes6 votesI did say this is a new account right? I tried playing different things on this account but I am actually a one trick... its not hard to understand.
Xavanic2 votes[{quoted}](name=Solo Q Memes,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RvInA9qu,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-04T07:06:17.094+0000)
I did say this is a new account right? I tried playing different things on this account but I am actually a one trick... its not hard to understand.
I find it a tad bit hard to believe your a one trick, otherwise you would know how to win wukongs bad match-ups which clearly you do not, since your complaining here
Sharpest glasses1 votesyou did 4/8 the one time you played Wukong (almost sure it was pre nerf). Not sure how your pov is revelant.
Solo Q Memes1 votesFor the most part I know how to play against Wukong's match ups. My other account is in Gold. But Wukong inherently loses lane to most match ups. Even if my jungler camps, It is hard to win lane. My strategy to win those match ups is to play safe and fuck shit up in team fights. Or roam if my lane is frozen or something. It's just frustrating that there is no other out.
Xavanic1 votes[{quoted}](name=Solo Q Memes,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RvInA9qu,comment-id=000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-11-05T04:43:35.169+0000)
For the most part I know how to play against Wukong's match ups. My other account is in Gold. But Wukong inherently loses lane to most match ups. Even if my jungler camps, It is hard to win lane. My strategy to win those match ups is to play safe and fuck shit up in team fights. Or roam if my lane is frozen or something. It's just frustrating that there is no other out.
that makes alot more sense, but A) why make a new account? B) there are reasonable ways to lane against most of those laners (minus aatrox, he was a big mistake on riots part)
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Xavanic1 votes[{quoted}](name=option paralysis,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RvInA9qu,comment-id=00000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-11-04T09:01:43.182+0000)
that guy is silver 2 with a 43% win rate. dont listen to him lol wukong top is trash as fuck, you lose literally 99% of match ups. play him mid if you're lower elo. you can bitch slap a lot of silvers and golds like that. take insipiration secondary with free bots and timewarp tonic and start with corrupting.
Hey just and fyi I'm not trying to start a fight please don't try to abuse me while breaking rules, would hate so see someone get banned over something so petty. "No belittling or shaming a player for their champion pool, rank, playstyle, or match history." I try to avoid breaking said rules so should you, additionally my rank is low because i generally don't like ranked, its overly stressful which is not what a video game is supposed to be (typically because toxic players are so common in this day and age)
option paralysis1 votesHey just and fyi I'm not trying to start a fight please don't try to abuse me while breaking rules, would hate so see someone get banned over something so petty. "No belittling or shaming a player for their champion pool, rank, playstyle, or match history." I try to avoid breaking said rules so should you, additionally my rank is low because i generally don't like ranked, its overly stressful which is not what a video game is supposed to be (typically because toxic players are so common in this day and age)
rofl dude, you reported my post. you were the one who was acting so smug and smart talking about match ups and stuff, like you know what you are talking about. don't get offended when someone calls you out then.
Xavanic1 votes[{quoted}](name=option paralysis,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RvInA9qu,comment-id=0000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-11-05T08:38:20.384+0000)
rofl dude, you reported my post. you were the one who was acting so smug and smart talking about match ups and stuff, like you know what you are talking about. don't get offended when someone calls you out then.
yeah I do know, understanding the game and playing the game are 2 different things, rank shaming isn't allowed on the boards period, If i had the time and patience i could easily climb to plat, possibly diamond, but i prefer to stay in the elo where i don't need to practice the game on a daily basis to stay decent, I play many other games and wasting so much time on such a mediocre quality game to maintain a rank at this point (league is a cash grab at this point, if they cared about the playerbase damage would be overall nerfed) yeah I just don't see it happening, please stop trying to start shit that you can't finish, i only brought up the fact that one tricks should be able to lane EVEN against their counters, since your champion knowledge vs theirs is far superior, as a one trick typically has hundreds if not thousands of games on that one champion, and laning against most of those champs have very clear weaknesses with the exception of aatrox (and i guess viktor, with tank viktor being so strong rn)
Happy Love Pile3 votesAnd? Champions change positions. Remember how Corki got moved to a mid laner and not an adc? Adapt. If wu is better jungle, take his jungle. It's that simple
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And? Champions change positions. Remember how Corki got moved to a mid laner and not an adc? Adapt. If wu is better jungle, take his jungle. It's that simple
play wu jungle vs. graves/camille/jax/rengar/lee/etc. and come back and tell me he's better jungle.
Happy Love Pile1 votesThat makes sense, they're the best in their role at the moment. That's how it works, that's what META is. People will figure out what is best in the role and why, then play it. Why would anyone choose Wukong over Lee? All Wukong has is either his gimmicky 1 shot, and his R, which is probably the only decently designed thing about him. He's just a simple stat check champion all game. He either kills his opponent in 1 rotation, or he dies doing so. There's no room for outplay potential with him, except possibly his W
Noor Sakata2 votesEven before the nerfs , Wukong could never compete with any Top laner , to be honest , the only champion I could play against as Wukong was cancer picks such as 
when she was popular and making Top laners rage quit , Wukong was good against her m thought that was his only good match ups
against other match ups , my play style was the same , farm under tower , completely ignore the existence of your enemy laner , get dusk blade and roam , build full ad and 1 shoot or get 1 shot
Sharpest glasses2 votesyeah... but now, even farming under turret is hard as hell. Who daf*q though it was a good idea to :
Crushing Blow Base damage reduced to **10 **/ 40 / 70 / 100 / 130 from 30 / 60 / 90 / 120 / 150. AD ratio reduced to 0 / 10 / 20 / 30 / 40% AD from 10 / 20 / 30 / 40 / 50% AD.
Need Gold 4 Tent2 votesTheoretically, his kit sounds decent for lane, because he has a 0 counterplay trading pattern (ala Riven/Renekton) where he E-Q-W and you essentially take free damage without any retaliation. Why is he weak despite that?
Sharpest glasses2 votesNo sustain, low number, binary kit.
ProfDrDeath1 votesBecause he isn't weak.
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/MonkeyKing/Jungle/
Solo Q Memes1 votesWukong is very weak in lane, and can be very good mid-late game if he gets to farm minions or champions. His win rate comes from his mid-late game. It is even better in lower elo because low elo play squishy champions into him, they don't play around him, and they don't build for him. Wukong in Diamond is almost not a thing. Wukong in Master or Challenger is almost unheard of. You can probably count with your hands how many Wukong one tricks play at that level.
ankoanko192 votesDoesnt Wukong top have lika 55.5% wr against Irelia, a 62% wr against Mundo? Like literally, there are 8 champions who Wukong has less than a 50% wr against. Not saying he's op, but saying ''meh toplane cancr'' when Wukong can clearly work around most champions is such a stupid excuse. The only valid champ on your list is Illaoi.
Sharpest glasses1 votesThe problem with this board is most of you have no clue about what you talk. Someone say x lose against y, you will look at wr instead understand winning the game isnt same as lane.
Like Wukong can win against irelia (the matchup is positive for Wu) but no way in hell he win against Mundo, Jayce or even Ornn (Wukong wr against them is high).
when Wukong can clearly work around most champions is such a stupid excuse.
When you pick Wukong you do nothing against most of them but "try" to farm.
The only valid champ on your list is Illaoi.
Lel. Go play Wukong into Garen, Urgot, Viktor, Kled, Ornn, Sion & Mundo.
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The problem with this board is most of you have no clue about what you talk. Someone say x lose against y, you will look at wr instead understand winning the game isnt same as lane.
Like Wukong can win against irelia (the matchup is positive for Wu) but no way in hell he win against Mundo, Jayce or even Ornn (Wukong wr against them is high).
When you pick Wukong you do nothing against most of them but "try" to farm.
Lel. Go play Wukong into Garen, Urgot, Viktor, Kled, Ornn, Sion & Mundo.
you will look at wr instead understand winning the game isnt same as lane. In the wise words of Trinimmortal ''FUCK WUKONG THAT SHITS ALWAYS BEEN FREELO''. Having a higher winrate against certain champions CLEARLY means that X champ can play around it. During S6 (so before all the wukong changes) I used to crush Wukong so hard in laning phase as Irelia but I always felt irrelevant once the mid/lategame hits against him despite me zoning him off and shit. And that is because Wukong, like Yasuo, has a very easy time to comeback when shit goes south. When you farm on a champion and then somehow youre more relevant than the enemy laner/jungler then you've clearly played around it. Your list of champs are just lane bullies that fall off a lot more than Wukong. Every champion has counters. I'm NOT saying Wukong is strong or weak, I'm saying that this thread is clearly BULLSHIT because Wukong CAN outplay MOST of his lane opponents even his so called counters with ease.
Sharpest glasses1 votesDuring S6 (so before all the wukong changes) I used to crush Wukong so hard in laning phase as Irelia but I always felt irrelevant once the mid/lategame hits against him despite me zoning him off and shit.
it was your bad... Wukong cooldnt do a shit against old Irelia just after she bought tabi. At no point in the game Wukong could win the 1v1 against Irelia post first items (and it was close matchup pre 6).
And that is because Wukong, like Yasuo, has a very easy time to comeback when shit goes south.
Yasuo easy time comeback ?? isnt this only cause you (and your mates) make to many errors ?? And Wukong had easy time cause in low elo adcs and most players have no mapawarness and even worse no self awarness. When i played Varus into Wukong i had no issue against him.
Your list of champs are just lane bullies that fall off a lot more than Wukong.
lmao. They arent even bully nor fall off more than Wukong. Wtf. How trinity users, tanks, mages can get outscaled by Wukong ?? Only Garen & Illaoi fall off (in team utility), even there they can splittpush without being scared of Wukong. Jax, Poppy, Kled, Malphite, Fiora, Mundo, Trynda, Ryze, Ornn... are they lane bully ?? no, they shit on Wu and outscale him.
TLDR ; the point is, Wukong at this moment is trash/weak, regardless of the wr. Its dumb talking wr when his pickrate is so low. Nobody having played him can think he's strong atm.
Am not a one trick, so am no impacted as other Wu players, good luck ape players.
ankoanko191 votes[{quoted}](name=Sharpest glasses,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RvInA9qu,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-04T19:42:27.227+0000)
it was your bad... Wukong cooldnt do a shit against old Irelia just after she bought tabi. At no point in the game Wukong could win the 1v1 against Irelia post first items (and it was close matchup pre 6).
Yasuo easy time comeback ?? isnt this only cause you (and your mates) make to many errors ?? And Wukong had easy time cause in low elo adcs and most players have no mapawarness and even worse no self awarness. When i played Varus into Wukong i had no issue against him.
lmao. They arent even bully nor fall off more than Wukong. Wtf. How trinity users, tanks, mages can get outscaled by Wukong ?? Only Garen & Illaoi fall off (in team utility), even there they can splittpush without being scared of Wukong. Jax, Poppy, Kled, Malphite, Fiora, Mundo, Trynda, Ryze, Ornn... are they lane bully ?? no, they shit on Wu and outscale him.
TLDR ; the point is, Wukong at this moment is trash/weak, regardless of the wr. Its dumb talking wr when his pickrate is so low. Nobody having played him can think he's strong atm.
Am not a one trick, so am no impacted as other Wu players, good luck ape players.
No he couldnt but he impacted the map elsewhere.
Yas has always been easy to comeback with. Its just hard right now since hes never been in a worse state.
EVERY CHAMPION HAS COUNTERS . If laning phase meant everything then Pantheon wouldnt be as trash as he is rn.
Sharpest glasses1 votesYasuo is in good state.
Wukong loose against most toplaners (if not all). Thats what you dont understand cause you dont play the champ. He lose top and lose jngle. When you pick Wukong :
If laning phase meant everything then Pantheon wouldnt be as trash as he is rn.
Pantheon laning isnt strong as used. You live in past.
SithesisLord1 votesBut top lane is cancer for everyone who doesn't play the bullshit champions. Not even the meta champions, the downright broken champions.
I can't take Kayle top lane into anything not named Poppy. Haven't been able to since midseason.
Mid lane Kayle? Even worse.
I've resorted to picking TK top, which, while being the closest thing to chemotherapy for all the cancer in top lane, is team dependant, which means if my team mates don't go at least even, we autolose.
Xavanic1 votesBut top lane is cancer for everyone who doesn't play the bullshit champions. Not even the meta champions, the downright broken champions.
I can't take Kayle top lane into anything not named Poppy. Haven't been able to since midseason.
Mid lane Kayle? Even worse.
I've resorted to picking TK top, which, while being the closest thing to chemotherapy for all the cancer in top lane, is team dependant, which means if my team mates don't go at least even, we autolose.
Not quite sure how, while kayle isn't in a good spot, she's fine against alot of champs now a days if you have the skill...perhaps you might be trying to bullhead your way into fights and losing because of it? (kayle isn't good at dueling early)
Slythrin Umbreon1 votesYou should probably have mid as your secondary
