His win rate wouldn't say so.
I'm sure his win rate suffers from bad players playing him. But when you see an actually good Pyke its maddening. You can't gank him, you can chase him or run from him... He is too lethal, while still being so insanely safe. Something has to give right? The healing, the movement speed, the invisibility, the hook, the lethality cmon he is an all star champion
Pyke isn't strong anymore after his nerfs.
Nautilus is still broken.
Leona is borderline overpowered.
Blitz is broken, 30 damage off his Q didn't solve anything. Give him back his armor and q damage but revert the damn q range buff.
I don't understand how anyone is still complaining about Pyke when Nautilus, Leona, and Blitz are dominating bot lane. All of those champs stomp Pyke, especially late.
I'm a Leona main and can literally carry matches with her regardless of my ADC's quality.
Stats sites account for more than just win rate. They also account for play rates and other factors.
He's not too strong. Frustration and lack of counterplay is a different matter. I think it's best to avoid conflating those two things to have a super valuable discussion.
He isnt that strong in comparison to Kai Sa or Ekko but he is definitely a powerful support. Nautillus is still probably stronger though.
You say that its hard to play against a really good pyke, but the same is said for everything. Playing against a good talon makes him seem like he can just jump in, instakill someone nad jump out. playing against a bad one makes him seem like a champion that deals 0 damage.
The champ makes at least 600g a kill just using his R as the finishing blow. That alone makes him nonsensically overpowered.
Like there is no reason to pick him over naut, thresh or blitz. The only reason his playrate isn't horrible is because he can snowball and players like that, that also makes him look good when he goes well.
Lets also not forget the preseason changes are a net nerf to him.
Also please don't just list champions abilities as a reason for nerfs since doing that makes basically any champion look broken. Please give actual reason if you are going to say a champion is strong.
Here's how you put Blitzcrank back in a balanced state.
Armor reverted to 44 from 40. Rocket grab base damage reverted to 70-300 from 70-270 Rocket Grab range reduced to 1050 from 1150
All these unnecessary nerfs they gave just to avoid removing what actually makes him broken is sickening.
Anyone can make any champion look good if they play well enough and get fed enough
I'd say he's strong in that he takes more skill to play against than to play as.
His kit has a low skill floor to any non-new player, is very forgiving in terms of positioning and sustain, and is able to stay relevant even when behind. Meanwhile, in order to play against Pyke, you need to both be skilled on your champion and be coordinated as a team. You need to keep track of his easily lethal high speed roams, you need to duck out of fights early to avoid a true damage execute and keep him away from low teammates. In order to actually kill him, you need to rally your team to hold him down while you dump most of your burst onto him, and also need to know when you SHOULD be focusing him instead of someone else on his team.
Pyke lets a player be a high-threat low-value target, and demands a lot of more out of the enemy team to neutralize him than he spends being a problem.
i have stop banning Pyke and now always ban Naut, who is cancer.
Yea his passive needs to lose all regen or his hp needs to be maximum 1300 at level 18 :/ he needs to be able to be 1 shotable since he will just 1 shot you in 0.02 seconds.
By far the biggest issue I've seen people grieving about when it comes to Pyke is that he's actually quite underpowered...until he hits 6.
I'm probably talking more around the plat+ elo at this point, and I'm sitting at somewhat of an in-between since I (FINALLY) hit gold this season, but he seems to be a real pain in the ass in lower elo since his kit is...well, an assassin support. the people in bot lane for lower elo games usually get destroyed once Pyke starts in.
And in Higher elos, it's about the opposite: all that mobility doesn't really get him anywhere without some solid team coordination (or the enemy's lack thereof) and a well placed hook/dash. Usually, the best he can do pre-6 is just soak a few hits, maybe land a Q or two, and heal with his passive to damage soak a bit.
Where both lines intersect, however...is the level 6 powerspike. From this point, skill and tact can be thrown out the window. That hp bar turns "kill me" red, you press R and hit that execute for stupid amounts of bonus gold for both you and your team. Now do it again, cause that other guy came back trying to save his friend and also got rekt.
Now...you and your team are getting dumb amounts of gold. Screw just staying bot, unless it's best that you just farm double kills. Try and get everyone to group - generate ALL the gold! Suddenly, in the span of 6 minutes, you went from somewhat even, to your team having a 10k gold league, and about 2/3 of that gold lead is a direct result of your ult sharing gold in teamfights.
There are very few PROFESSIONAL teams that come back from 10 deficits. I dont think I need to inform you that most non pros aren't too good at it either.
Basically...he's actually somewhat weak...but his unique combination of an ult that gives a resetting execute that gives bonus gold on each execute, and a plethora of abilities to help him keep in range of that execute (or to gtfo if he cant make one) make him quite frustrating to play against.
Pyke gives up wave control. He's great at catching and killing enemy champions, but he can't do that when there's minions in the way. If you shove them under tower, Pyke can shove the wage back out and needs to engage to land hooks. If you let them push and freeze in front of your tower, Pyke can't help his carry break the freeze, so THEY need to be the ones to overextend.
No he isn't. There is(are?) a ton of support picks with better win/pick rate combos.
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Yes, has been since release.
Pykes hook is 1 bad in comparison to other hooks and 2 HELLA UNRELIABLE, half the time it looks like graves shooting a minion not a hook, and this is at full charge mind you, they'll go up, and go towards pyke like a minions length rather than actually being yanked towards pyke which makes nerfing his hook a horrible idea unless they actually make it consistently reliable
Why is Pyke being complained again? He used to be hated so much that the boards were flooded with nerf Pyke concepts both low and high upvoted. He was nerfed to ground and the real problem is feeding him and thinking that he is op like every other champion. His short Q used to hit multiple targets and slow them, his Long Q used to add slow after the pull. However he was ballanced to me before the nerfs because guess what? I can dodge skillshots. I'm at least not walking in a straight line or predictable patterns.... His Q is a skillshot same as Blitz, Thresh, Nautilus, Lux, Ryze, etc. just diffrent lenght and width speed and animation. But it's a skillshot and you see him right there winding it up if he isn't in a unwarded bush you should at least avoid if not ward... His E is also a skillshot, a more complicated but it is a skillshot and his ultimate also. People complained about his high movement and ability to escape and dodge. Like..... he is assasin you know? he is suppost to be high damage squishy fast guy. Not to mention you are in great advantage if he does escape that means he uses his W = he can't sneak up on you. If he usees his E he can't engage or help his adc. If he misses any ability his impact drops dramaticaly. Etc. Pyke wasn't op and they nerfed him... stop complaining and learn to dodge him. Also if you hate a champ so much why won't you just ban him?
He's a walking gimmick that's incredibly underpowered. The better players he goes against the worse he gets.
Higher potential output than the other hook supports but with more room to be useless. Seems balanced. If you want reliability go with Leona/blitz/naut and if you want something that can maybe pop off and carry then go for Pyke. I'd say Nautilus (and prob leona) are a little off base, it's just easier to notice pyke because he's flashy
My problem is he can Press R in my general direction and kill me as long as my HP is below the white line that scales with his AD. why is this even a thing. EVEN THEN, i be willing to forgive that if he didnt full heal just by walking into a bush or pressing W.
