Community: Riot nerf Jax and Kassadin!

5StackUltOneShot·Jan 18, 2019·13 votes·8,531 views

Riot:
Jax: Base AD lowered from 69.67 to 68

Kassadin: Base armor lowered from 23.376 to 19 Armor per level lowered from 3.2 to 2.8

Now when Jax is jumping into the middle of my entire team with endless E and Q spam thanks to , atleast he deals 1 less physical damage! Also, now when Kassadin appears from behind a wall and one shots my adc, atleast I will deal like 3% more damage, cool!

(seriously though wtf, just remove essence reaver, increase Jax's cooldowns early game and there you go wtf, ER has literally broken like 4 champions remove it)

48 Comments

InfernapeJan 18, 201916 votes

Imo that Kass nerf is bigger than it seems on paper. Kass won't be able to be first picked, you'd only pick him as a counterpick to mages.

In terms of base armour and armour per level, Kassadin will be squishier than every single marksman in the game. If my maths is correct, he'll be the squishiest champion at level 18 apart from Orianna without her ball and Thresh without stacking souls.

An AD assassin is already a nightmare match up for Kassadin in lane. Now them two will be able to deal near enough true damage to him once they buy Lethality. Not to mention, Kassadin would have to delay RoA/Lich to rush a Seekers or a Zhonyas to even have a chance of surviving lane, delaying his power spike.

Then again the nerf doesn't solve the problem of Kassadin's damage late game.

5StackUltOneShotJan 18, 20192 votes

Yah but the issue is late game Kassadin just clicks Rewq and deletes 2 people before you can react (save for challenger and masters players, they can MAYBE react fast enough)

RagnaveilJan 18, 20194 votes

...the point is he's gonna be strong late game. They could hit him with two damage nerfs and he'll still be strong. Why's that? Oh that right, mage items are overtuned as all hell.

Death by GlamourJan 18, 20193 votes

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Brandono99Jan 18, 20191 votes

Can confirm this, the hive mind has already spoken

Velzard of KozJan 18, 20192 votes

"The hivemind" he says as he uncritically agrees with two other people adding nothing to discussion. It's Royal Society when you agree with it, Hivemind when you don't.

5StackUltOneShotJan 18, 20192 votes

Dude, word of advice. Do not say anything negative about mages. You shall be downvoted to hell

RagnaveilJan 19, 20191 votes

Man, I don't really care if they hate me. They know what needs to be nerfed.

ÇagedJan 20, 20191 votes

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Dude, word of advice. Do not say anything negative about mages. You shall be downvoted to hell

Completely agree on this. Mage items are the strongest in the game which is why in every position there is almost always a mage or multiple in top 10, but mages make up the biggest chunk of the playerbase and Riot loves them so you're not allowed to point anything out about their strength.

ZackTheWaffleManJan 18, 20194 votes

also, that's the whole point of Kassadin

MankeyMadnessJan 18, 20194 votes

BREAKING NEWS: Late game Hyper scaling champion is extremely powerful if he reaches late game!

Stop whining about champions doing their job. You nerf Kass by hitting his early, because if he never reaches Late game it doesn't matter how strong it is. Same idea with countering him in game.

If Kassadin is 0/6 and 40 CS down at 16 minutes he's obviously useless but if you let him farm and reach 32 minutes, you're going to lose regardless.

RagnaveilJan 20, 20191 votes

Exactly. But apparently people cant handle that kind of weakness.

IG ZikoJan 18, 20195 votes

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Yah but the issue is late game Kassadin just clicks Rewq and deletes 2 people before you can react (save for challenger and masters players, they can MAYBE react fast enough)

The point is that you can abuse his weak early game and get a lead. If you don't, then it's your fault.

Bløød ZerøJan 19, 20191 votes

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Yah but the issue is late game Kassadin just clicks Rewq and deletes 2 people before you can react (save for challenger and masters players, they can MAYBE react fast enough)

Lemme ask why are your games lasting long enough with a kassadin for him to scale. He doesn't provide enough pressure to stop you from closing games before he gets truly strong. Like close games asap whether that be splitting, or actually using macro.

ModAcademy KaynJan 19, 20192 votes

As an AP mage too, you can harass him harder in lane with Auto-attacks.

RainbowIceeJan 19, 20191 votes

Im not entirely agaisnt nerfing but, nerfing one champion just brings another on to the table. In other words, kassadin was a problem before, and he is one again. We've gone full circle. Given, its taken a few years but it doesnt feel like this will change anything. A new champ will reign supreme.

ZeyphelJan 18, 20196 votes

If you say that the Kassadin nerf is a joke, then you have no idea what you are talking about. Keep joking about Base stats, only shows your lack of knowledge.

You think it will only affect him by 3%? if someone wants to do the math to show him, go ahead. I am done with trying to explain how base stats work.

SyteJan 18, 20191 votes

is jumping at 1 second cooldown post 30 minutes and aoe instant-killing people with a hypermobile kit and no dodgeable abilities balanced to you? he even gets to taste the broken kit at lvl 6-9, assuming he doesn't get fed within the time-frame, in which case, his late comes much sooner.

ZeyphelJan 18, 20192 votes

Ah, you are talking about late game? What about early game?

So, you want to pretend that a champion who does nothing and can easily fed in early and part of mid game should have same impact in late game as any other champion which didn't suffer as much. Good thinking. Amazing logic.

SyteJan 18, 20193 votes

I one trick ryze, buddy. don't go looking for pity. my champ has a far worse early game and not even close to the impact kass has late, or 6. you just delay the game until items and early game doesn't matter.

you may be silver and not know any better, but look at any tier list and you'll find kassadin at the very top for good reason.

ZeyphelJan 18, 20191 votes

It is not my fault that Ryze synergizes so well with teams and pro play. Kassadin does not synergizes as good as ryze in good teams, so there is no reason for which kassadin should do bad in solo play. Also Kassadin has a harder time farming because he is melee and puts himself in greater danger for farming.

Another one trying to use my position in this server as an excuse because he lacks of proper justification for his statement. This account was a test, and I don't remember since when i played the last game in this server. I like to play in KR server with people who cry less and play more. There you can truly climb if it correspond your skill. I am plat 2 in that server and is the only one in which I am plaing rn.

I didn't say you were bad, you just don't know what you are talking about. Show your last comment to someone from high elo and then tell me.

SyteJan 18, 20191 votes

buff kassadin! 38% win rate kassadin main in silver 4 btw.

ZeyphelJan 18, 20191 votes

Whatever, no point in keep talking with this type of person. Did I said I used this account to test builds? Looks like it's forbidden. Btw, GL using stats of almost 2 years ago.

Hub TopkekFeb 17, 20191 votes

Yeah sure, his early game is weak as hell and you cant fight in the skirmishes that often happen between the junglers. But after 25 min. of him just farming you can´t do anything about him, expect maybe hard cc him, which leads to the rest of their team just bashing you. And on the other hand if you don´t hard cc him from the beginning of the teamfight till the end, he will just wipe your team out. And since SoloQue/DuoQue isn´t the best mode teamplay wise, you´ll be having a hard time against him and most likely lose the game if it hits the 25 min mark. (which you can also see in his statistics where his winrate just jumps from like 49 to 58)

ZeyphelFeb 17, 20191 votes

Group and see how easily Kassadin becomes useless. Kassadin can do 1 vs 2 in late game, but he cannot take more damage than that. He is too weak in terms of durability, even if he is in late. The only things that increase are mobility and damage. He keeps being as weak as an adc late game. If you group and he tries to kill someone of your team, he is dead in less than 2 second.

Tychusfindlay918Jan 18, 20195 votes

the kassadin nerf is fucking massive. It cements the fact that he'll get shat on hard by AD champs while still allowing him to rightfully excel more against AP champs.

The jax nerf is definitely a joke though. He needs to have counterstrike nerfed, but I think riot is scared.

TobykachuJan 18, 20194 votes

Kassadin's ability to counter an entire class of champions with no interaction has never been and never will be balanced. Considering his late game is so scary, it's often entirely up to the mid laner to stop him from getting to that point, yet how is that possible when he is so good vs almost the entire mid lane champion pool?

5StackUltOneShotJan 18, 20191 votes

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ability to counter an entire class of champions with no interaction has never been and never will be balanced. Considering his late game is so scary, it's often entirely up to the mid laner to stop him from getting to that point, yet how is that possible when he is so good vs almost the entire mid lane champion pool?

Laughs in Yasuo *

ÇagedJan 20, 20191 votes

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Laughs in *

Yas is hard countered by Galio and Liss who are both pretty top tier rn

MankeyMadnessJan 18, 20194 votes

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Kassadin's ability to counter an entire class of champions with no interaction has never been and never will be balanced.

Call me when Q is a 1.25 second Silence and his passive reduces Magic damage by 35%. Then we can talk about countering an entire class (literally the point of picking him btw)

TobykachuJan 19, 20191 votes

Just because he doesn't do it as well as he did it before doesn't mean it's now good design. Realistically speaking, there is potential for it to be perfectly fine, but not on a hyper scaling assassin, who's designed to go into a lane filled almost entirely of ap champions.

Soul DealerJan 18, 20193 votes

I made a post about Jax a bit ago. Just increase the cd of his q early game and that will solve the probelm

Doge2020Jan 18, 20191 votes

This isn’t really at you, but I put this here to give an idea or something, and also because I don’t really want to make an entire post.

Another one is if people learn how to play against him. I stomp him easily with nasus and garen even though jax’s Kit counters most of my two main’s kits. All I do is just bait out his stun and walk outside the range of it. If he uses q to get to me then (as nasus) I wither him right before to lower his damage against me or (as garen) W right before the e is re-activated to lower the stun duration and to increase my resistances.

The reason why jax is so op (mainly talking about low elo in this sentence) is very similar with garen and nasus, people don’t really know how to play against them, which makes it easier for the jax nasus or garen to snowball and win.

Now don’t hate me or anything just because I had a couple of good games against jax, I also played jax myself so I do know what I am saying. Jax gets op when he gets a lead and finishes his powerspike items early, but he is absolutely shit when he is behind. a good nerf is lowering his attack speed/AS growth because he is an auto attack based champ (unless he is going full ap), but I think that lowering his AD is a good start.

RagnaveilJan 20, 20191 votes

Well, its more like he's lost a good chunk of counter champs (whether it be reworks, meta shifts, or balance changes), meaning more times than not you are either playing a neutral or countered lane. Its a primary issue with most Conqueror users atm.

BisaknospJan 18, 20192 votes

champs like jax kassadin and vayne always disgusted me plus their design makes no sense to me no matter how 'shit' your early is never should a champ be able to be as unstoppable as them later on in the game

Low hanging ballJan 19, 20191 votes

Yasuo

IG ZikoJan 18, 20192 votes

You know that ER will be reverted to crit on the patch 9.3? And his cooldown are fine without it.

Kassadin nerfs will make him almost unplayable into AD champions early to mid game. Orianna got out the meta by 2 nerfs: reduce armor by 3 and MR by 4.

5StackUltOneShotJan 18, 20191 votes

Where do u find the info. i wanna check it out

IG ZikoJan 18, 20191 votes

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Where do u find the info. i wanna check it out

Something called the "the dev corner" in the boards. Maybe you need read those more because they say the plans and why.

At least if you read them, you will not make a thread about how strong a champion is with an item that will not be viable on his class anymore.

ThefrostyvikingJan 18, 20192 votes

Riot are already reworking ER into a crit item as stated by their dev corner posts, and they are looking to replace conqueror with something else so consider those when you ask for direct nerfs to jax.

Kassadin could use something more though given that he doesnt get any external nerfs.

ZeyphelJan 18, 20191 votes

ER will be divided in 2 items. The one you mentioned before and the actual ER which will be renamed as Spear of Chojin. More details on pbe notes. Also, Kassadin was indirectly nerfed with the Ap nerf to FF and had a previous direct nerf to laning phase.

Sladkiu RyletJan 18, 20191 votes

kassadin nerf is pretty fair but jax one makes no sense, kassadin was already destroyed by ad mids if they knew how to play the game now its even harder for kassadin. he can compensate this by going the ap armor health instead of ap ap health and this still means -10 ap early to him which is 1/3 of his ap

xDogMeatxJan 18, 20191 votes

decrease jaxes damage by a % amount during counterstrike (during his e) to give him not the best of both worlds and stun time due to his bursty nature even though hes a fighter. keep his blocking duration personally it identifies him as THE CHAMP due to countering auto attacks.

IllabetheJan 18, 20191 votes

To be fair, I can outrun/outtank a Jax with Soraka . Check my last loss (My team truly).

-30k+ Damage to champs -41k heals -140 CC -40k damage taken -51k damage mitigated.

.... Fun way to lose..... but hey. I outran and outhealed Jax chasing me twice.... for 50-60 seconds each.

Autrah FangJan 18, 20191 votes

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Now when Jax is jumping into the middle of my entire team with endless E and Q spam thanks to , atleast he deals 1 less physical damage! Also, now when Kassadin appears from behind a wall and one shots my adc, atleast I will deal like 3% more damage, cool!

Yeah. Dodge and jump spamming is what makes Jax "unique," same with Kassadin and jumping over a wall to one shot your adc without warning. Can't remove their uniqueness! That would be bad! /s

PhieldworkerJan 18, 20191 votes

Essence reaver is being reverted back so you won’t have to worry about that anymore.

OzzieTheHeadJan 19, 20191 votes

This sounds like you recently got handed over by a jax and kass and were still venting off as you were writing the last paragraph. This is so not one of the priorities the meta has now.

Bμbble ButtJan 20, 20191 votes

How about instead of doing what you said we focus on the runes? The runes cause these problems. Conquerer is overloaded just like any other keystone. We should just scrap this rune system and use the old system or a new one. It could be THAT simple, but it's riot games. the biggest joke of all small indie companies.