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Yasuo's fucking healing

5StackUltOneShot··37 votes·14,884 views

I dont normaly give a shit about Yasuo, cause I main Darius (yy get pissed off) and he is free to go up against. But with this item 3091 change I kinda need to ask, why the fuck does everything enable him to heal. He heals off:

Conqueror (10%) + item 3072 (20%) + Ravenous hunter (15%) which also heals off his item 3087 procs, E AND FULL HEALING FOR AOE Q + Now the new Wits End giving him 100% healing if proc'd below 50% hp. This is ontop of a shield reset. What the fuck guys hes not supposed to be tanky, his champion spotlight literally used to say 'Yasuo has to invest in some tanky items'. LOL yeah sure Riot.

For any of you who are wondering, Yasuo builds wits end when he goes up VS two or more AP users.

55 Comments

LatoyaFromTheBX41 votes

its a certenly T champ what cant he do

Hethalean8 votes

He's obviously lacking some key abilities. His R for one doesn't give him 425 range (his Q range) after he ults while his passive armor penetration is on as well. So clearly he's not op. lol

Romans VI XXIII2 votes

Yea, its not Op till its 450 Range, and 150% Armor Pen.

[garen-swing]

thefatlazycat3 votes

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Hethalean3 votes

My guess is that he's unique (CertainlyT(tm)), and flashy. People like playing him, and according to Blastoise it's really only NA that ranks him so high in the 'unfun to play against'. The asian regions don't mind him whatsoever.

JJI74414 votes

Yasuo has a 40+% banrate in every single region.

Sir Saltarin17 votes

Can we get ride of that narrative already? Yasuo has more banrate on KR than on NA

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/kr/platinum/plus/grid/

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/na/platinum/plus/grid/

Hethalean5 votes

Ban rate and 'hate rate' lets say might correlate. However, a high ban rate does not mean a high 'hate rate'. Yasuo is quite strong atm, and I get the impression that Korea is the type of region who'll ban over power instead of what they do not want to lane against.

Sir Saltarin8 votes

He's at 49.6% winrate on KR and yet he has 64.5% banrate which is the HIGHEST banrate on KR right now on Plat+

They hate playing against him, it's not that he's strong.

Hethalean1 votes

So you've never seen a scenario where the entire community was saying "X is strong" but their win rate was low? You've never felt a champion was 'strong' but the win rate was low and the ban rate was high?

Sir Saltarin3 votes

A champ as Ryze Kalista Azir Tham Kench Galio can be broken without having a good soloQ winrate, but Yasuo isn't that kind of champ.

He's not strong right now, he's not above the average champ on soloQ in anything except banrate and he's played marginally on pro play unlike the other champs that can be broken without a good soloQ winrate.

Yasuo right now it's not strong, and yet he's the most banned champ on KR because they despise playing against him.

Hethalean2 votes

Sure, if that's the ONLY thing you can imagine for a ban rate then I think there's nothing to be said... especially for a champion like Yasuo (not simple) who has such a high ban rate (thus not much practice being had on him) still somehow sitting where that champion should be (just below 50% wr) to be balanced. k

Heretus1 votes

Yasuo is being complained about almost every....single....day for the past 5 years.

Please tell me that if it was ANY other champ he would not have been nerfed to oblivion not being able to 1 vs 1 a god damn mob.

Why yasuo gets to keep all the free shit he has , be manaless , having perma dashes , double bubbles , free armor pen , free critical , ww and massive damage is beyond me

Rock MD2 votes

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He's at 49.6% winrate on KR and yet he has 64.5% banrate which is the HIGHEST banrate on KR right now on Plat+

They hate playing against him, it's not that he's strong.

Remember, high skill champs have much lower winrates and it has very shaky correlation with how good the champion actually is.

i definitely think he's on the stronger side and that's why Korea bans him. I know for a fact he's not hated in China because when polled about the champions the Chinese hate they literally all listed utility/stall champions like Heimerdinger and Ivern. Was weird to see.

Sir Saltarin1 votes

know for a fact he's not hated in China because when polled about the champions the Chinese hate they literally all listed utility/stall champions like Heimerdinger and Ivern.

Hope I can find it but saw a comment about that Meddler like 1-2 months ago on reddit in which he said that it's mostly that on China it's the region in which they hated him the least out of all regions.

Salron11 votes

You could take those items and runes on any AA based champion and get nearly the same healing [sg-lux-2] Why is this thread specifically about Yasuo They're not exclusive to him

5StackUltOneShot6 votes

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You could take those items and runes on any AA based champion and get nearly the same healing [sg-lux-2] Why is this thread specifically about Yasuo They're not exclusive to him

Not really, Ravenous hunter reduces healing from aoe to 33%, but Yasuo's Q is an exception for some reason, so you end up with him healing 400 hp from an E Q combo without any significant lifesteal. Other AA based champions (obviously) dont have this. With Wits ends hes going to AA Q and heal 160 hp instantly (without counting everything else I mentioned).

If he rushes Wits end hes basically going to be a WW

Salron1 votes

The first hit of Q counts as single target yes, because it applies on-hits but any enemies after the first heal for 33% like other AoE abilities

Moody P2 votes

More actually because yasuo has reduced crits lol

Z3Sleeper8 votes

I don't think anyone is building more than two crit items.

In that case, with 1.0 AS and 100 AD

Yasuo: 100 dps + (100 dps * 100% crit rate * 80% crit damage) * 10% lifesteal = 18 healing/s

Everyone Else: 100 dps + (100 dps * 50% crit rate * 100% crit damage) * 10% lifesteal = 15 healing/s (besides Trynd ofcourse)

Moody P1 votes

It was my understanding that Most marksmen either buy ER IE and a Zeal upgrade or still go double zeal?

I haven't been playing more than like twice a week so I haven't really kept up

Z3Sleeper3 votes

Some do yeah, but that means they're foregoing the sustain items that this topic is discussing.

SpaghettiVase1 votes

Yasuo's tornado heals for 100%, instead of the standard 33% spell vamp for aoe abilities.

Salron1 votes

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Yasuo's tornado heals for 100%, instead of the standard 33% spell vamp for aoe abilities.

only on the first hit

SpaghettiVase2 votes

Doesn't matter, it's still healing 100% where in most cases that's going to completely sustain you. I honestly think sustain this meta is too high where match-ups that are suppose to lose and get shoved out of lane don't thanks to

Fleet + Overheal + Bloodline + D. Shield

2 Dark Seals + Corrupting Pot + Time Warp Tonic

Ocean Dragon

Inkling Commando5 votes

Sylas heals 1/3 his life off of W alone

Rıots Bad Client2 votes

IF he below a threshold and against an enemy.

But yes, Sylas needs his AP ratio toned down.

Jump God3 votes

About the wit's end healing change, it is 100% healing of the effect's damage, which means he'll only heal 20-80, scaling on level I assume. Other than that, yes I get your point. My best advice is just to buy healing reduction and kite as much as possible because the champ is just bonkers and I personally hate playing adc/mid/jgl against him :p

Hethalean1 votes

That's true, but it's 20-80 healing on every AA and Q (if it hits anyway). Yasuo attacks quite a lot and that's a lot of healing. For example, Warwick only heals 10-44 with his on hits from his passive (no scaling either beyond level).... which gets to 15-66 if he's below 25%.

Z3Sleeper2 votes

Everyone who buys this item will have Warwick passive 2.0, no low health requirement either.

Edit: Nvm got changed to 15-80 damage and only heals below half health now.

Jump God1 votes

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That's true, but it's 20-80 healing on every AA and Q (if it hits anyway). Yasuo attacks quite a lot and that's a lot of healing. For example, Warwick only heals 10-44 with his on hits from his passive (no scaling either beyond level).... which gets to 15-66 if he's below 25%.

Yeah, looking at it that way that is actually true. I think we need to see it in action first though (haven't bothered to play on PBE to test it out) before we can really conclude if it's broken or not.

Hethalean2 votes

Agreed

OneMustFall2 votes

Except Yas builds item 3156 or item 3139 before he builds item 3091 . It's built on him in like 2% of all his games so this whole topic is like moot.

5StackUltOneShot6 votes

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Except Yas builds item 3156 or item 3139 before he builds item 3091 . It's built on him in like 2% of all his games so this whole topic is like moot.

Idk, Ive seen the best Yasuo players rush it vs heavy AP so Im throwing it out there

OneMustFall2 votes

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Idk, Ive seen the best Yasuo players rush it vs heavy AP so Im throwing it out there

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Yasuo/items/

It's not even a good item on him when you compare the WR's to any other items he could be building.

ApollyonBainer1 votes

I mean it does have a positive win rate tho.. barely. Its not a terrible item on him. Thats all this guy is saying

thefatlazycat2 votes

do you understand how the meta works?

Mr Bob Boberson2 votes

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Except Yas builds item 3156 or item 3139 before he builds item 3091 . It's built on him in like 2% of all his games so this whole topic is like moot.

Doesn't mean he won't start building it after the change I'd be willing to give it a try but I mostly use Mecurial and Maw And the occasional spirit visage because why not?

JetstreamXT1 votes

Yasuo building Lifesteal on a regular basis probably isn't healthy for the game as a whole, that much I agree with. That being said, it seems to me like this build is pretty counterable if Darius changes up his items accordingly. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't Bramble Vest screw up this build hard, like it does Fiora, even if you choose not to upgrade into Thornmail? It's a perfectly viable early item for Darius, from what I've read, and since Ravenous Hunter is not that much healing during the laning phase (2.5 %, increased by 2.5% each time he gets a unique champion kill), you could even wait on it a bit if you really needed to. I'm sorry, but if you aren't building some form of Grievous Wounds against Yasuo (you might be building this already, and the healing really could simply be too strong, I don't know because I can't see your recent matches anywhere) when you know he's building this much lifesteal, at Diamond 4... It seems to me like you're kind of asking to lose at that point. Just my take, though

5StackUltOneShot2 votes

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Yasuo building Lifesteal on a regular basis probably isn't healthy for the game as a whole, that much I agree with. That being said, it seems to me like this build is pretty counterable if Darius changes up his items accordingly. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't Bramble Vest screw up this build hard, like it does Fiora, even if you choose not to upgrade into Thornmail? It's a perfectly viable early item for Darius, from what I've read, and since Ravenous Hunter is not that much healing during the laning phase (2.5 %, increased by 2.5% each time he gets a unique champion kill), you could even wait on it a bit if you really needed to. I'm sorry, but if you aren't building some form of Grievous Wounds against Yasuo (you might be building this already, and the healing really could simply be too strong, I don't know because I can't see your recent matches anywhere) when you know he's building this much lifesteal, at Diamond 4... It seems to me like you're kind of asking to lose at that point. Just my take, though

Wtf? This isnt about Darius. Its about Yasuo having way too much access to lifesteal. Fix his Q interaction with Ravenous, dont fucking change wits end and its all good?

JetstreamXT1 votes

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Wtf? This isnt about Darius. Its about Yasuo having way too much access to lifesteal. Fix his Q interaction with Ravenous, dont fucking change wits end and its all good?

That is not what I said at all. I'm saying that while Yasuo probably shouldn't be rewarded as much for building Lifesteal (especially the AoE Q interaction), Yasuo is by no means the only offender of having too much healing, if that is in fact a problem. Furthermore, there are simple ways to counter builds like this, and if you aren't utilizing them properly, then that's your fault, not the game designers'. The game designers, if anything, are probably going to nerf the Q interaction first, as you suggested. Then, they'll look into Bramble Vest to see if it's a hard enough counter to builds like this. If it isn't, then they'll either buff grievous Wounds or nerf Lifesteal in general. If Yasuo is still too effective with Lifesteal after that, then he'll get a larger dose of the nerf bat in terms of interaction with Lifesteal.

EDIT: clarified my statement on healing on other champions

Janakin1 votes

All these please crying about Yasuo being OP should try to play a few dozen games with him on a non-monkey elo. Then they would realize he is perfectly balanced.

ApollyonBainer1 votes

It feels real bad when one of the 5 monkeys that make up my team int 7 times into this guy. Like it feels REAL bad man

Janakin1 votes

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It feels real bad when one of the 5 monkeys that make up my team int 7 times into this guy. Like it feels REAL bad man

I just checked that your elo is silver. That's the problem. People on that elo just cry about him being OP, even though they have like absolutely no knowledge on how to counter him.

That's why I'm saying that all these low elo players should play him for a few games on a non-monkey elo. They would feed as fuck and perhaps they would be able to think why.

ApollyonBainer1 votes

Yeah honestly I dont find Yasuo to be a problem unless people feed him for no reason. Its rough down here man let me tell ya. Not a lot of people know how to play the game. They have good mechanics but there is zero strategy

Jump God2 votes

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All these please crying about Yasuo being OP should try to play a few dozen games with him on a non-monkey elo. Then they would realize he is perfectly balanced.

Again, you're talking about playing vs Yasuo in "a non-monkey ELO", but your own ELO really nullifies this argument. The fact that you're a Yasuo main kind of ruins your argument as well. The issue with Yasuo is that he gets to 3-4 shot an ADC/squishy jungle or midlane, anything really, when he gets Statikk Shiv. Also, you can set a Yasuo behind so that he'll sit 1/10/x KDA and still proceed to one-shot people because of how much he spikes with just one crit/attack speed item.

Janakin2 votes

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Again, you're talking about playing vs Yasuo in "a non-monkey ELO", but your own ELO really nullifies this argument. The fact that you're a Yasuo main kind of ruins your argument as well. The issue with Yasuo is that he gets to 3-4 shot an ADC/squishy jungle or midlane, anything really, when he gets Statikk Shiv. Also, you can set a Yasuo behind so that he'll sit 1/10/x KDA and still proceed to one-shot people because of how much he spikes with just one crit/attack speed item.

  • I was 4 years plat+, up to diamond 2.
  • Yasuo wasn't even one of my main champions, until the last season when this game got destroyed. From then I take this as a yasuo single player game, pretending everyone around me is AI.

What you said in your post is exactly what I was talking about - you know nothing about that champion.

Doopliss71 votes

build a bramble vest or executioners calling you big baby item 3076 item 3123

5StackUltOneShot1 votes

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build a bramble vest or executioners calling you big baby item 3076 item 3123

Imagine insulting someone online cause your social anxiety doesnt come out over the internet

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