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Can we rework Darius already?

5StackUltOneShot··50 votes·13,257 views

I also want 7 dashes, an Aoe execute, 3 stuns and the ability to ignore walls and enemy champions both with 1 button with an instant cast shield. Thanks.

Also if he could be completely unbeatable for the first month and then get nerfed into garbage tier that would be great

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FFrazien16 votes

But seriously, a reasonable buff would be reduce E cd or bring back movement speed from hemorrhage or give him back attack speed slow on W.

Look at camilles E cd and look at darius,it’s absurd to me.

When fiora has massive attack speed slow on E and champions like darius don’t, absurd.

Paquay16 votes

Great. You just posted a spoiler for the next 3 champ releases. Thanks!

ApathyAndGrief9 votes

His ult counts as a dash, so technically he has a resetting dash [sg-ezreal]

FFrazien6 votes

As the current top lane meta is just ranged bullshit poke champs I think he would be weak even with all the changes you mentioned above.

Quáx6 votes

Darius gets shit on in high elo. In high elo though, he is the bane of everything you need to fear. Most top laners in low elo always wanna fight, but what they dont realize is that darius is a lane bully. If he doesnt have a good early game hes useless because you need to rush black cleaver. And if he hooks you all you have to do is...run, just run away, unless he flashes or does some crazy shit, then he cant catch you because his base ms is slower than a majority of top laners, and thats why I rush boots against him.

oortoomeebreesuu1 votes

he's shit in high elo cuz hes a free gank and can't team fight. if you get hooked by darius you die lol you can't just walk away

Oleandervine5 votes

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Also if he could be completely unbeatable for the first month and then get nerfed into garbage tier that would be great

Pretty sure this happened to him after his release, though he wasn't nerfed into garbage tier.

kingDeDeDarius10 votes

Although he is mostly garbage tier in higher elo and against good players who know how to exploit his weaknesses. He's a mistake abuser, not a mistake creator. Aka, the agency in the fight usually lies in the enemy if both players are of similar skill, because almost everything in darius's kit is telegraphed and can be played around by literally any champ. Even Shen can beat Darius by playing careful, and even though he doesn't usually beat Darius, champs like him go on to be far more useful later on. In all honesty, I just want darius to apply a stacking damage debuff to enemies that doubles upon five stacks. This would add pseudo survivability and utility to the team, without increasing his damage output. Could be something like 2% damage reduction per stack, doubling up to 20% at 5 stacks, with a 1.5 second delay (to give enemies a chance to get some more damage in before it takes effect). This would make Darius truly king of extended trades (which he should be given his lack of mobility and lowish utility/objective control). If he proved too strong, trim back his passive damage a little or his E armor pen

Sir Saltarin3 votes

Kinda similar happens with MF, that's why everytime she's playable a bit on pro play it's with her E max gamestyle.

Because good players are able to play around her Q in lane and make it way useless.

Shen MD2 votes

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Although he is mostly garbage tier in higher elo and against good players who know how to exploit his weaknesses. He's a mistake abuser, not a mistake creator. Aka, the agency in the fight usually lies in the enemy if both players are of similar skill, because almost everything in darius's kit is telegraphed and can be played around by literally any champ. Even Shen can beat Darius by playing careful, and even though he doesn't usually beat Darius, champs like him go on to be far more useful later on. In all honesty, I just want darius to apply a stacking damage debuff to enemies that doubles upon five stacks. This would add pseudo survivability and utility to the team, without increasing his damage output. Could be something like 2% damage reduction per stack, doubling up to 20% at 5 stacks, with a 1.5 second delay (to give enemies a chance to get some more damage in before it takes effect). This would make Darius truly king of extended trades (which he should be given his lack of mobility and lowish utility/objective control). If he proved too strong, trim back his passive damage a little or his E armor pen

Darius loses to Shen if DARIUS SUCKS AT DARIUS. Lemme bring a tiny violin for your comment.

dontspinbutwin2 votes

...any champion can lose to any champion. Granted, Darius has more of a lane pressence in many cases in this match, but Darius isn't exempt from slip ups. Enough mistakes, and shen can exploit those to get ahead, making the game heavily in shen's favor, as laning phase is the one big advantage darius usually has against other champs.

kingDeDeDarius1 votes

Very true, and yeah I guess my point was that Darius isn't so OP that he's unbeatable in lane (an old myth that many hang on to), and that even champs that he counters in lane such as Shen can outplay Darius simply by dashing in on darius's Q or by dropping his anti AA zone at the right moment to prevent or block darius's AA-W reset and thus severely delay darius's five stacks, which is especially useful during ganks or to chunk Darius in shorter trades before running.

ContDeCaterinca14 votes

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I also want 7 dashes, an Aoe execute, 3 stuns and the ability to ignore walls and enemy champions both with 1 button with an instant cast shield. Thanks.

Are you trying to describe Pyke ?

Crescent Dusk4 votes

lol but Darius is already a reworked and way better version of Garen.

kingDeDeDarius1 votes

That's a relativist non-argument. The fact that garen needs to be made better or is deficient doesn't mean that Darius is acceptable. Right now Darius is barely viable, as he sucks in higher elo, and usually maintains about a 49% winrate right now in most elos. Not horrible, but not good either. The truth is that there is becoming so much damage, mobility, and cc in the game, that without some major changes to his kit, or mobility added, he will become completely obsolete soon, has he can easily become cc locked, or kited, or insta deleted by insane dps or champs with SoS (see Jax, Yi, or tryn), and that most comps can counter Darius with decent play around his weaknesses to the point that he becomes nothing but a slow moving super minion.

Crescent Dusk1 votes

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That's a relativist non-argument. The fact that garen needs to be made better or is deficient doesn't mean that Darius is acceptable. Right now Darius is barely viable, as he sucks in higher elo, and usually maintains about a 49% winrate right now in most elos. Not horrible, but not good either. The truth is that there is becoming so much damage, mobility, and cc in the game, that without some major changes to his kit, or mobility added, he will become completely obsolete soon, has he can easily become cc locked, or kited, or insta deleted by insane dps or champs with SoS (see Jax, Yi, or tryn), and that most comps can counter Darius with decent play around his weaknesses to the point that he becomes nothing but a slow moving super minion.

That goes for pretty much any immobile champ with short range.

Try playing Annie, Vladimir, or Swain in midlane. It's a goddamned travesty, mobile melee champs and mage assassins like Leblanc/Ahri/Zoe have the same or longer engage range, more mobility, more burst, more survivability, and just as much CC.

Playing anything currently that doesn't have great range if it lacks mobility feels like total ass because all you do is get 3-shot by an assassin/jg combo or you eat the chain CC from some support while you get blown up by the ADC.

Short range immobile champs are faring horribly in the current meta of extreme damage and CC all packaged into these newer kits like Sylas/Zoe, reworked Leblanc, Ahri doing the damage she does while being ridiculously slippery. Pyke constantly pulling you/stunning and the moment he hits half health he's gone and back to full health to spam the same crap again in a matter of seconds.

Twitch MandiRAWR3 votes

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I also want 7 dashes, an Aoe execute, 3 stuns and the ability to ignore walls and enemy champions both with 1 button with an instant cast shield. Thanks.

Also if he could be completely unbeatable for the first month and then get nerfed into garbage tier that would be great

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I also want 7 dashes, an Aoe execute, 3 stuns and the ability to ignore walls and enemy champions both with 1 button with an instant cast shield. Thanks.

Also if he could be completely unbeatable for the first month and then get nerfed into garbage tier that would be great

Oh please, Darius has been OP for like 3 years in a row. GTFO.

dontspinbutwin2 votes

https://champion.gg/champion/Darius/Top

lane frustration and refusal to adjust to certain champions doesn't make them op, but makes you a bad player. Look up his current stats, he's incredibly weak right now, and if you try playing him for a few games, you'll find yourself struggling due to the meta shifting to burst divers.

ODiiiiiN3 votes

LOL I love how you guys act like Darius is a helpless lil baby... and even compare his cds with Camillies and Fiora's LOOOL Are yall delusional? Can Camille of Fiora Tank a 4v1???

Darius is OP assss fuuuuuuuuck son. The day they buff that fuker.... Actually... They just buffed Nasus. Shiiat.. Ya'll might just get your wish. Smh I honestly believe Season 10 will be nothing but 2 shot champs and tanks that can lifesteal and stay alive from those two shots.

dontspinbutwin5 votes

...Right now, he sits at about a 48.5% winrate. With no mobility and low attack speed, Darius has to blow his entire combo for full damage, and even his combo can be avoided by respecting his space. He's a lane bully, and it's understandable why someone might be frustrated with him. However, he by no means is "overpowered". Right now, Darius is actually the weakest he's been, with the meta being shifted to high mobility dps divers. This causes Darius to get bursted down before his sustain combo can begin. If anything, I believe his base tank stats need to be strengthened, to adjust for the poke darius has to suffer.

The fact that you call him "OP" tells me a lot about your playstyle.

kingDeDeDarius1 votes

He even has the slowest AS in game, however, his base stats relative to other champs are lower overall than what they were before they changed the rune system. Literally fizz has the same hp growth per level now

kingDeDeDarius1 votes

Camille gets a shield, amazing mobikity, and high damage, don't compare her ability to tank damage with Darius. Fiora is also very mobile, but to the contrary, whereas Darius can be focused and destroyed in a literal one or two second time span, fiora can literally block all the damage and cc in the world for the duration of her party, and even return cc with it. Not to mention she is one of the best duelists in game, shreds tanks, adcs, juggernauts, etc in a matter of 2-3 secs at full build, and is an excellent split pusher.

Moody P2 votes

Darius needs a dash

General Matty10 votes

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Darius needs a dash

Iverns got your back Ivern

5StackUltOneShot4 votes

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Iverns got your back Ivern

As a Darius main I would kill to have an Ivern every game

Moody P4 votes

Too bad they always put shield in ADC and not you

General Matty3 votes

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Too bad they always put shield in ADC and not you

I shield the tanky bois unless my ADC is getting jumped by a cuck zed or something

Moody P1 votes

Based

General Matty2 votes

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Based

Stop with this BaSeD shit*[darius-angry]*

Moody P1 votes

Based

.....and redpilled

Clone Is Friend1 votes

then its a trash ivern.

they work the best with a bruiser since bruisers need to get close and stick there.

kingDeDeDarius1 votes

Agree lol

HyperTechno2 votes

I like you thought process man. I would love it.

Grubbling Butter2 votes

bring back Darius insta Q but bring it back in a way that works with sions Q. no charge=no heal and charging heals. Just a thought

Grouchy Poro1 votes

champs are ALLWAYS intentionally strong on release or after rework wlel rot tries to make it that way so people get used to them faster

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