My idea on a Zed ultimate tweak.

Griefer·Jul 13, 2015·1 votes·373 views

Zed although is an incredible laner, he has problems lategame especially when people start buying QSS. This will hinder his assassination during the later phases of the game, making him near useless.

What I think should be done, is have a set damage on his deathmark, and add damage amplification. This way, even if the enemy does use the QSS, he will still be able to dish out damage and the high risk high reward mindset won't be completely gone.

I was recently playing some Talon and Fizz, and I feel like these changes could make Zed viable late game.

I'm only Silver, so I may sound like a complete idiot, but if you do decide to downvote please leave some constructive criticism.

Cheers, iHY

14 Comments

Shroom JunkieJul 13, 20151 votes

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What I think should be done, is have a set damage on his deathmark, and add damage amplification. This way, even if the enemy does use the QSS, he will still be able to dish out damage and the high risk high reward mindset won't be completely gone.

Okay, not to be rude, but Zed isn't "high risk high reward", its more like "low risk medium reward". Zed can just ult in, get his kit off, and ult out. Granted he has to wait a second but honestly its just enough time to get his ult off.

"But he can be CC'd" But so can everyone else. Well, minus Alistar Olaf .

3tysonJul 13, 20151 votes

Irelia and dont forget Leblanc sure she can be cc'ed but i think we all get what im saying when im saying not really...

Shroom JunkieJul 13, 20151 votes

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and dont forget sure she can be cc'ed but i think we all get what im saying when im saying not really...

Irelia can still be CC'd. She just has natural tenacity. But she also doesn't have a mega-escape unless she wastes her gap closer or gets it on a lucky minion to die.

GrieferJul 13, 20151 votes

10/10 would illiterate again.

GrieferJul 13, 20151 votes

You do make some good points, but may I point out:

There are more tanks this meta. When he ults in for the prioritized target/carry, he risks getting cc'ed. With that 1 second delay return shadow ult, he is open to cc.

He is also hard countered by QSS which is my main focus of this tweak. He is very reliant on his ult to do his damage combo. So what happens when he goes in on a teamfight, only to be QSS'ed and cc'ed down by like 3 tanks? His ult is hard countered by QSS, Zhonyas, and any kind of mobility.

What I'm saying is, this adds to his lategame, while still allowing counterplay.

Thank you for your feedback!

edit: Noticed you posted on my rengar question!

Shroom JunkieJul 13, 20151 votes

True, but almost any assassin can be CC'd down and killed. Its what they do. Even the wretched Leblanc can, if she's kept on constant CC until she's killed.

So, if this kind of thing is added, I'd personally want it to be a very small amount of damage at least. Maybe 100?

GrieferJul 13, 20151 votes

I'm not entirely sure if LeBlanc is skillshot reliant or not since I've played her like once on ARAM, but the problem with Zed is that he is countered so hard by one item. Considering his teamfight is already pretty weak, nothing feels worse then trying to 100-0 someone and they BOOP QSS LOL NICE TRY ZED and then get locked down by like 3 tanks.

Deathmark damage wise, I think 100 is good. Not sure if it should scale atm or just be a static kinda thing.

Ch0c0lateJesusJul 13, 20151 votes

The high risk high reward mindset was gone when you picked Zed. He has the easiest escape tool out of any assassin. If the ability comes with zero risk, then it should also be easy to counter.

GrieferJul 13, 20151 votes

It's a tank meta. You come flying in with your ult, gets QSS/Zhonya/Target escapes. You are now open to cc, and your ult has a 1 second delay, and your w can only get you so far.

Whatever playstyle he had, it's high risk high reward now.

SchenixJul 13, 20151 votes

Zed late game has his role. While it isn't as effective as what he does mid game.

Split push like a god and 1v1 anyone who comes to stop you granted they aren't too tanky (Many Bruisers can be taken down by Zed, Taking down a tank wastes too much time and might not even succeed -- if they have Zhonya's or QSS, you simply flee (or kill anyway if you have the mechanics to do so) because it isn't worth to stay. However you forced them to split up, and Zed provides minimal utility to teamfights whereas most other champions serve a stronger role, meaning the 4v4 should be in your teams favor if not going split island), and to assassinate the carry, before or during a teamfight. He isn't useless, his role changes to be far more precise.

GrieferJul 13, 20151 votes

That's the thing, he is easily countered. Say you split top, and they send a tank with hard cc after you. They lock you down and now you are caught out. Anyone can come up to 1v2 you now, and since Zed is cheesed so hard by QSS there's not much he can really do.

Take Shaco as an example. He's great early and splits late. The reason he is so good at splitting is because his box and ult provides quick takedown time and his q makes him super slippery.

A champion like Zed with so much potential shouldn't have to resort to splitting late because a single item renders him useless.

SchenixJul 13, 20151 votes

Very hard to get caught out with Zed if they send 1 person.

You can if you get flanked, but that's where his scaling with skill comes in as well as taking resources away from your teammates pushing mid and/or bot.

You don't need the ult to confirm a kill, you can use it as a means of escape and slowing them behind you, especially given it's cooldown. In doing so, you have again -- pushed the lane and transferred a very good champion for their teamfight to try and deal with someone who has multiple outplays and escapes. If they sent 2, that's all the better for your team if they know what they're doing or have a decent shot caller.

GrieferJul 13, 20151 votes

You make some very good points, but have you considered:

The reason why he goes to split late is because he literally cannot assassinate the carry if they build items that counter him. (qss, zhonya, ga, you get the point)

With my proposed changes, he can still be relevant in teamfights and late game phase. He can still have the high risk/high reward style, while still allowing for counterplay.

Thanks for your feedback!

GrieferJul 13, 20151 votes

bump, i hope this gets out there. if you support please upvote!