Meddler, please don't make the trinket upgrade free.

Griefer·Jul 18, 2015·277 votes·9,367 views

If people are stupid enough not to buy upgraded map hacks for 250g, let natural selection do its thing.

Real talk.

201 Comments

CupkekJul 18, 201531 votes

Heard a good quote a week or two back:

"If you're ahead, you can afford to upgrade your trinket. If you're behind, you can't afford to NOT upgrade it."

gubigubiJul 18, 201517 votes

"Morello don't make trinkets because then wards are free. If people can't pay for wards don't give them away." - players 2 years ago

IcyPepperJul 18, 201512 votes

>mfw I read Meddler's post

http://33.media.tumblr.com/61da52fc7cc8eff3aa60cb1de43ca22c/tumblr_mnfig0L34M1rzapx4o1_500.gif

meanwhile 800 gold on the one person who's not expected to get cs or kills item 2049 But 250 gold is just too much to ask for a recharging version that doesn't even take up an item slot

manbearswineJul 18, 20151 votes

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>mfw I read Meddler's post

http://33.media.tumblr.com/61da52fc7cc8eff3aa60cb1de43ca22c/tumblr_mnfig0L34M1rzapx4o1_500.gif

meanwhile 800 gold on the one person who's not expected to get cs or kills But 250 gold is just too much to ask for a recharging version that doesn't even take up an item slot

to be fair ruby crystal is a neat item,so it's more like 400 gold(as you don't get more stats,just wards)

IcyPepperJul 18, 20155 votes

It's a neat item for some supports, yeah...

item 3070 Soraka

I love sightstone, but I feel like making the trinket upgrades free is just... unfair to the guys who can't farm. Ya know? You can last-hit 15ish minions for the upgrade, supports rely on their income item (and assists, if they can get their team snowballing).

manbearswineJul 18, 20151 votes

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It's a neat item for some supports, yeah...

Gonna censor my thoughts on soraka as a champion.

I love sightstone, but I feel like making the trinket upgrades free is just... unfair to the guys who can't farm. Ya know? You can last-hit 15ish minions for the upgrade, supports rely on their income item (and assists, if they can get their team snowballing).

Well,supports generally need to upgrade their trinket as well,so they will also benefit from this,I agree that the 400 gold for sightstone is a bit painful,but buffing it can quite easily force the jungler to buy it as well.

IcyPepperJul 18, 20153 votes

but buffing it can quite easily force the jungler to buy it as well.

I disagree. Junglers, as of right now, sometimes take sightstone but usually just buy wards like everyone else (and if everyone else aren't buying wards, they should be!). If sightstone was buffed, it could be a competitive choice (the enemy jungler has sightstone, so I should get one too!) but I don't think junglers would be forced to. They farm and usually have more gold income than supports, so they don't always require the gold efficiency that sightstone gives.

VDc0zCqe0wJul 19, 20151 votes

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Gonna censor my thoughts on soraka as a champion.

Soraka is everyone's favourite goat, duh

manbearswineJul 19, 20151 votes

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Soraka is everyone's favourite goat, duh

Why she even exists is still beyond me.

VDc0zCqe0wJul 19, 20151 votes

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Why she even exists is still beyond me.

lolwhy? i love playing her tbh, she's pretty boring to lane against but it's not any tank support's level of retardness

manbearswineJul 19, 20151 votes

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lolwhy?

Very low skill floor,a person can be half afk and still make the most of her kit.

i love playing her tbh, she's pretty boring to lane against

She's absolutely horrible to lane against,there's no sense in trading,either you get a kill or there's nothing you can do,so if you don't have kill potential have fun,and even then if you don't manage to get a kill she quickly just removes everything you did,in theory her kit requires her to put herself at risk to heal allies,in practice her ranges are massive.

but it's not any tank support's level of retardness

Soraka is so stupid she can actually contest that.

VDc0zCqe0wJul 19, 20151 votes

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She's absolutely horrible to lane against,there's no sense in trading,either you get a kill or there's nothing you can do,so if you don't have kill potential have fun,and even then if you don't manage to get a kill she quickly just removes everything you did,in theory her kit requires her to put herself at risk to heal allies,in practice her ranges are massive.

well if someone picks Soraka i just pick Janna for the yucks and alt-tab then come back when the laning phase it's gone

i hate laning anyways, i find teamfightning way funnier

NERDSMASHER5000Jul 18, 20151 votes

If people who aren't playing support are stupid enough to buy trinket upgrades over full build, let natural selection do its thing.

ShuffledPancakeJul 18, 201564 votes

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If people who aren't playing support are stupid enough to buy trinket upgrades over full build, let natural selection do its thing.

Im sure if you can get full build you can fucking spend 250 on an unlimited ward -__-

NERDSMASHER5000Jul 18, 20151 votes

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Im sure if you can get full build you can fucking spend 250 on an unlimited ward -__-

never upgrade that shit. If you're ahead in lane, buy more damage to stomp harder. No exceptions.

If you're behind, don't cripple yourself even harder by wasting 250 on non-defensive/core items. You already have a trinket that does its job fine. Use it.

Upgraded trinket is a noob trap legit.

ShuffledPancakeJul 18, 201534 votes

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never upgrade that shit. If you're ahead in lane, buy more damage to stomp harder. No exceptions.

If you're behind, don't cripple yourself even harder by wasting 250 on non-defensive/core items. You already have a trinket that does its job fine. Use it.

Upgraded trinket is a noob trap legit.

1 ward per 60 seconds i believe is definitely bad - full build oh i have 13000 dollars left moswell not buy it -__- it is free wards after you use it once AND its not in an item place

NERDSMASHER5000Jul 18, 20152 votes

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1 ward per 60 seconds i believe is definitely bad - full build oh i have 13000 dollars left moswell not buy it -__- it is free wards after you use it once AND its not in an item place

Upgrade it full build, that's a given. That's the only reason to do so.

ShuffledPancakeJul 18, 201536 votes

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Upgrade it full build, that's a given. That's the only reason to do so.

not at all, if you need wards (drag/baron) THEN BUY IT

NERDSMASHER5000Jul 18, 20151 votes

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not at all, if you need wards (drag/baron) THEN BUY IT

Alright, you win. You clearly know so much more about winni-

... oh wait

http://i.imgur.com/UAfIU8I.png

http://images.pushsquare.com/news/2013/08/nintendos_reggie_fils_aime_not_very_impressed_with_the_ps4s_launch_lineup/large.jpg

A Miss FortuneJul 18, 201567 votes

If he's Silver 5 and has 0 LP, then how come he knows more about the game than you? Wouldn't that make you inferior to a low Silver player lol?

Don't try to bring someone's elo into this, especially when you have no clue what you're talking about.

NERDSMASHER5000Jul 18, 20151 votes

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If he's Silver 5 and has 0 LP, then how come he knows more about the game than you? Wouldn't that make you inferior to a low Silver player lol?

Don't try to bring someone's elo into this, especially when you have no clue what you're talking about.

Yeah, he rekt me pretty good. Also, I'm sure the people who say "DON'T BRING ELO INTO YOUR ARGUMENT" say so because they genuinely think elo is no indication of skill and not just beca-

... oh wait

http://i.imgur.com/aqokEDJ.png

probably because you aren't upgrading your trinkets enough IMO

A Miss FortuneJul 18, 201541 votes

Probably because I don't play Ranked and the few games I did I played Support.

Elo doesn't always indicate your skill, some people like me just play the first 10 games to get it over with, some don't play Ranked period, and there's a billion other issues like Trolls, Ragers, Flamers, AFK'ers (all of which I saw almost every game I did play Ranked) that currently destroy Ranked, specifically during the Summer.

How is upgrading your trinket not a good idea? It's roughly 12 minions for double the vision you can use. Vision to keep yourself from getting caught out, securing objective control, offensive wards, defensive wards. If you don't upgrade the trinket, you're going to waste a lot of gold just on wards considering they cost 75g per, meaning you'll be only able to buy less than 4 wards with 250g, when you could of gotten much more almost for free.

The value of the upgraded trinket doesn't make up for It's cost immediately, however as the game goes on you can end up saving hundreds of gold.

You talked about trying to get full build before upgrading the trinket, yet you kind of contradicted yourself considering if you don't ugrade the trinket, then you'll hinder your build on buying unnecessary wards when you could of got them for free.

item 3362 is secretly the strongest item in the game.

NERDSMASHER5000Jul 18, 20151 votes

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Probably because I don't play Ranked and the few games I did I played Support.

Elo doesn't always indicate your skill, some people like me just play the first 10 games to get it over with, some don't play Ranked period, and there's a billion other issues like Trolls, Ragers, Flamers, AFK'ers (all of which I saw almost every game I did play Ranked) that currently destroy Ranked, specifically during the Summer.

How is upgrading your trinket not a good idea? It's roughly 12 minions for double the vision you can use. Vision to keep yourself from getting caught out, securing objective control, offensive wards, defensive wards. If you don't upgrade the trinket, you're going to waste a lot of gold just on wards considering they cost 75g per, meaning you'll be only able to buy less than 4 wards with 250g, when you could of gotten much more almost for free.

The value of the upgraded trinket doesn't make up for It's cost immediately, however as the game goes on you can end up saving hundreds of gold.

You talked about trying to get full build before upgrading the trinket, yet you kind of contradicted yourself considering if you don't ugrade the trinket, then you'll hinder your build on buying unnecessary wards when you could of got them for free.

is secretly the strongest item in the game.

Yeah, ranked is really hard in lower elos, especially when you play the hardest role in the game, support, along with the most mechanically demanding champions (Janna/Leona/Sona/Morgana/Alistar)

Must be hard to not go 5/14 in Silver 5 ranked, especially when your role synergizes so well with the "strongest item in the game"

Elo has no indication of skill, you're right. I'm done, I'm rekt, you got me good. trinkets OP teach me silver 5 overlord

A Miss FortuneJul 18, 20158 votes

I just did lol.

I Miss CannonJul 18, 201523 votes

I don't even understand why you guys pay him so much attention. Obvious troll is obvious...

What Is SmiteJul 18, 201517 votes

Well Looking at your match history it seems that every time you end up going to top lane the enemy jungler/team is demolishing your ass because either you don't ward your lane or your ward(trinket) expires before you can place down another one. You can say that upgraded trinkets are useless, in actuality spending 250g to prevent your ass from falling further behind from being camped or keep a lead when you are ahead is worth the investment and after 3 wards placed (greater stealth totem) or 2 pinks (greater vision totem) you are just generating free gold with the trinket

NERDSMASHER5000Jul 18, 20151 votes

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Well Looking at your match history it seems that every time you end up going to top lane the enemy jungler/team is demolishing your ass because either you don't ward your lane or your ward(trinket) expires before you can place down another one. You can say that upgraded trinkets are useless, in actuality spending 250g to prevent your ass from falling further behind from being camped or keep a lead when you are ahead is worth the investment and after 3 wards placed (greater stealth totem) or 2 pinks (greater vision totem) you are just generating free gold with the trinket

are you sure you're looking at my match history? lol

KING ATTILAJul 18, 201526 votes

LMAO at that pathetic 33% win rate in ranked. Good one bruh. Maybe you should spend a pitiful 250 gold for better vision! Noob.

Jeanne fan clubJul 19, 20151 votes

Is it bad that I prefer buying pinks and going for item 3361 instead? I prefer getting more wards out on the map than only having one ward that will get replaced if I want to place another.

DisasterSolaJul 19, 20154 votes

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Is it bad that I prefer buying pinks and going for instead? I prefer getting more wards out on the map than only having one ward that will get replaced if I want to place another.

I honestly wish the upgraded pink had a 45 or 60 second for one ward instead of 120 seconds.... the upgraded green trinket is by and far the BEST out there.

If there was a sweeper item isntead of trinket, i can almost gurantee that supports would use trinkets and the sweeper item instead of sightstone and sweeper trinket.

Bodkins OddsJul 19, 20151 votes

Very true. The lack of a Hextech Sweeper (the ARAM version, not the trinket) on SR is the only reason that supports buy Sightstone at all now.

Hyrum GraffJul 20, 20151 votes

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It's roughly 12 minions for 6 times the vision you can use.

Ftfy

1 ward per 2 min that lasts 1 min -> 1 min vision per 2 min.

2 wards per 2 min that last 3 min -> 6 min vision per 2 min

junglerboy16Jul 18, 20155 votes

You must not be familiar with this chap, he is a professional troll (and quite a good (bad?) one too).

LakerfanJul 18, 20154 votes

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You must not be familiar with this chap, he is a professional troll (and quite a good one too).

you think hes trolling, then you realize hes plat 4 and he never upgrades his trinket. His logic is sound. Ill sop upgrading my trink bc this guy knows its a waste and have shown me as such

NERDSMASHER5000Jul 18, 20151 votes

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you think hes trolling, then you realize hes plat 4 and he never upgrades his trinket. His logic is sound. Ill sop upgrading my trink bc this guy knows its a waste and have shown me as such

Yes sir, finally a Silver who knows to listen to people higher ranked than him as opposed to other delusional silver players who think upgrading trinkets are the end-all be-all way to compensate for lack of skill/mechanics/decision making ability

+1 my good man

I am MadlifeJul 18, 20153 votes

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Yes sir, finally a Silver who knows to listen to people higher ranked than him as opposed to other delusional silver players who think upgrading trinkets are the end-all be-all compensate for lack of skill/mechanics/decision making ability

+1 my good man

lol this is just way to funny to listen to. The troll seems genuine, but for obvious reasons he is wrong. Quite funny imo. He thinks Plats for some reason are wayyyy better than silvers. Rank doesn't mean everything xD

SwapShadowsJul 18, 20152 votes

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lol this is just way to funny to listen to. The troll seems genuine, but for obvious reasons he is wrong. Quite funny imo. He thinks Plats for some reason are wayyyy better than silvers. Rank doesn't mean everything xD

Did you just say rank doesn't matter?

the only way a rank doesn't matter is if you got boosted or bought an account.

also silver is terrible, even gold is ridiculously better than silver.

macromiteJul 18, 20157 votes

actually, nothing matters, I've beaten diamonds. look at my account, I'm bad, but I've beaten players that were in diamond.

EvilMerodachJul 19, 20153 votes

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Did you just say rank doesn't matter?

the only way a rank doesn't matter is if you got boosted or bought an account.

also silver is terrible, even gold is ridiculously better than silver.

And a dollar is better than 50c Thanks John...

http://memeguy.com/photos/images/heard-we-were-doing-john-madden-quotes-53684.png

Not everyone plays enough ranked to be higher ranked. I'm silver 4, but I've played a grand total of 17 ranked games this season. But I'm mechanically better than most golds and know more about that game than a LOT of the community. Rank can be an indicator of skill level/knowledge of the game, but not always skill=rank=knowledge.

TL;DR- If you've played 500 ranked games and are Bronze 3, you probably don't know much about the game. If you've played 11 ranked games and you're Bronze 5, it means you had a bad set of placements, and...nothing else.

LlaniteJul 19, 20151 votes

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And a dollar is better than 50c Thanks John...

http://memeguy.com/photos/images/heard-we-were-doing-john-madden-quotes-53684.png

Not everyone plays enough ranked to be higher ranked. I'm silver 4, but I've played a grand total of 17 ranked games this season. But I'm mechanically better than most golds and know more about that game than a LOT of the community. Rank can be an indicator of skill level/knowledge of the game, but not always skill=rank=knowledge.

TL;DR- If you've played 500 ranked games and are Bronze 3, you probably don't know much about the game. If you've played 11 ranked games and you're Bronze 5, it means you had a bad set of placements, and...nothing else.

It takes 6 games for a division, you can get to G4 in as little as 30 games, assumed no loss if you are as good as you claimed to be.

In a giant vacuum, the strength of your point of view relies on your credibility. I don't see the point of a beggar giving me financial 'advice' how to manage my money, and I will laugh if he attempts to advice the government how to 'improve' the economy. "I can be a millionaire, I just don't bother to" isn't a strong argument, if you are as good as you claimed, prove it with result, not excuse.

EvilMerodachJul 19, 20153 votes

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It takes 6 games for a division, you can get to G4 in as little as 30 games, assumed no loss if you are as good as you claimed to be.

In a giant vacuum, the strength of your point of view relies on your credibility. I don't see the point of a beggar giving me financial 'advice' how to manage my money, and I will laugh if he attempts to advice the government how to 'improve' the economy. "I can be a millionaire, I just don't bother to" isn't a strong argument, if you are as good as you claimed, prove it with result, not excuse.

Assuming 100% win ratio for 30 games is....uh...pretty...unstatistically sound. Even Faker would have trouble reliably pulling that off, even at bronze. And even assuming 30 straight wins, that's still 15 hours of gameplay at least. I work full time+have a girlfriend+other responsibilities.

And I would listen to homeless person's advice about how to not become homeless. They learned the hard way. Laughing and ignoring them is increasing your likelihood repeating their bad decisions. + Karma 's a bitch.

junglerboy16Jul 18, 20153 votes

He isn't being that logical though. Vision does win games (I've had so many games that were neck and neck and we won because I got my team to ward and we were able to get picks and finish, or stay safe and out splitpush). Also, 95% of matches I play the team that wins (mine or the enemy's) is the team with more wards, usually by a ratio of about 3/2 for the winning team, sometimes more (the bigger the difference, almost always the shorter the match). also, upgrading your trinket allows you to have 100% uptime on all 3 wards you can place, where un upgraded you get 33.33% uptime on a single ward, or 1/9th the total vision on the map. Once you hit level 9, it gets a little better at 100% uptime on one ward, leaving you at 1/3rd the total vision you could have, but that is still a very big handicap. Getting 3 times the vision for only 250 gold is just too good to pass up, especially considering that it pays for itself after using only 5 charges, at which point it is effectively generating 12.5 gp10 for you (~8 gp10 more than a non upgraded level 9+ ward trinket).

NERDSMASHER5000Jul 18, 20151 votes

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He isn't being that logical though. Vision does win games (I've had so many games that were neck and neck and we won because I got my team to ward and we were able to get picks and finish, or stay safe and out splitpush). Also, 95% of matches I play the team that wins (mine or the enemy's) is the team with more wards, usually by a ratio of about 3/2 for the winning team, sometimes more (the bigger the difference, almost always the shorter the match). also, upgrading your trinket allows you to have 100% uptime on all 3 wards you can place, where un upgraded you get 33.33% uptime on a single ward, or 1/9th the total vision on the map. Once you hit level 9, it gets a little better at 100% uptime on one ward, leaving you at 1/3rd the total vision you could have, but that is still a very big handicap. Getting 3 times the vision for only 250 gold is just too good to pass up, especially considering that it pays for itself after using only 5 charges, at which point it is effectively generating 12.5 gp10 for you (~8 gp10 more than a non upgraded level 9+ ward trinket).

man these are some ~~dubious~~ great statistics and research you're dropping is this actually Lyte's smurf?

junglerboy16Jul 18, 20151 votes

no, these statistics are called any average joe being able to use a calculator.

before level 9, a warding trinket gives you one ward every 180 seconds that lasts 60 seconds, so you have 33.33% uptime on that one ward, where your max is 3 wards, so 1/3rd uptime on 1/3rd of your wards equals 1/3rdx1/3rd=1/9th uptime on the max amount of vision you can have

after level 9, you get one 120 second ward every 120 seconds, so you can have 100% uptime on 1/3rd of your wards, or a total of 1x1/3rd or 1/3rd total up time.

Upgraded completely, you get one 180 second ward every 60 seconds, so if you use it you can have all three wards up at all times.

Also, the statistics I'm saying about the % of winning teams having more wards is totally based off my own history, and I never said under any circumstances that that information should be taken as universal, just that having such a strong trend is very noteworthy.

LakerfanJul 18, 20151 votes

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no, these statistics are called any average joe being able to use a calculator.

before level 9, a warding trinket gives you one ward every 180 seconds that lasts 60 seconds, so you have 33.33% uptime on that one ward, where your max is 3 wards, so 1/3rd uptime on 1/3rd of your wards equals 1/3rdx1/3rd=1/9th uptime on the max amount of vision you can have

after level 9, you get one 120 second ward every 120 seconds, so you can have 100% uptime on 1/3rd of your wards, or a total of 1x1/3rd or 1/3rd total up time.

Upgraded completely, you get one 180 second ward every 60 seconds, so if you use it you can have all three wards up at all times.

Also, the statistics I'm saying about the % of winning teams having more wards is totally based off my own history, and I never said under any circumstances that that information should be taken as universal, just that having such a strong trend is very noteworthy.

here is some basic math for you.

250 for upgraded trink= 0 damage 250 saved to add to 110 for longsword or 185 for amp tome=10 ad or 15 ap respectively

10ad or 15ap =1 snowball and 1 win

0 damage= 1 loss and 1 bronze 5 award

get the picture?

AcadiaumJul 18, 20157 votes

Or you know the ward can save you from a gank, you can go attack a enemy jungle because hes alone in your jungle or their jungle. Steal a buff when its up

Long term vs Short term thinking.

Kuroi86Jul 18, 20154 votes

10ad or 15ap =1 snowball and 1 win

0 damage= 1 loss and 1 bronze 5 award

Here's a hint, pulling numbers out of your butt doesn't make you sound smarter, people double check numbers on these boards. What you just posted is utter bs and you should be ashamed for stooping to that level just to try and troll someone.

junglerboy16Jul 18, 20156 votes

I think the sad thing is, this guy actually believes he's right.