Mordekaiser, Darius, Garen, Illaoi

KasatkaHuemay·Feb 26, 2016·2 votes·689 views

They do not have their place in meta. I'm not sure what they supposed to do. Explain me please.

They can't be useful without heavy tanky CC jungler for engage/tanking part of damage. They need really strong backline apc and adc otherwise they're getting focused first. They can't really splitpush (Killing opponents 1v2 sometimes at side lanes doesnt count) since they deal 0 dmg to turrets and structures. Current itemization do not worth with them. ( are items for ) Actually they do not stomp 1v1 opponents in lane.

So tell me what are you going to do with that. No one's picking Illaoi, Darius and Garen in LCS after worlds.

Ahem. They do not bring anything USEFUL for their team. They look scary only on paper.

15 Comments

Critmaster GarenFeb 26, 20161 votes

garen is ok. even in a meta dominated by adc and assassins, his villain mechanic makes him useful enough to shut down snowballing opponents.

the others are pretty iffy. theyve been hit with the nerf hammer too hard or too many times. the last skarner nerf didnt make sense for example.

what really sucks are the repeated health nerfs to items and masteries.

KasatkaHuemayFeb 26, 20161 votes

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garen is ok. even in a meta dominated by adc and assassins, his villain mechanic makes him useful enough to shut down snowballing opponents.

the others are pretty iffy. theyve been hit with the nerf hammer too hard or too many times. the last skarner nerf didnt make sense for example.

what really sucks are the repeated health nerfs to items and masteries.

Nope. Garen is not ok. May be on paper his villian thing seems pretty much huge but in fact he still needs his team to help him get to the target and kill it. Look at his toolkit. Nothing of this is the key to win the game. For example Fiora got epic 1v1 and splitpush power. Malphite literally shutdowns every aa-ad champion in the game, he got the best engage spell ever. Poppy-Naut CC powerhouse thing. They bring a lof of utility for their teams.

RalanrFeb 26, 20161 votes

Yes. The carry needs his team to help him get to people. Why is this a problem?

Critmaster GarenFeb 26, 20161 votes

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Nope. Garen is not ok. May be on paper his villian thing seems pretty much huge but in fact he still needs his team to help him get to the target and kill it. Look at his toolkit. Nothing of this is the key to win the game. For example Fiora got epic 1v1 and splitpush power. Malphite literally shutdowns every aa-ad champion in the game, he got the best engage spell ever. Poppy-Naut CC powerhouse thing. They bring a lof of utility for their teams.

thats how its intended to be. just like marksmen need their team to peel for them, jugernauts need their team to get into a place where they are effective and can carry.

bruiser fiora is an aberration originally shes expected to build like a squishy carry and just as the juggernauts she needs her team to set her up to trigger all 4 marks on from her ult on a target and get the aoe heal for her team.

she definitely needs some work to work better on a squishy adc build than a bruiser build.

LordKentravyonFeb 26, 20161 votes

Good lord garen is scary I really wnjoy i carry bruiser / tank style for jungling (shyv, hec, voli etc..)

Last time i saw a garen i was fed as f on shyv dominating the game

Be out me in place with several true damage ukts and his team won The largest ult was 1729(;40%) true damage

ShahamutFeb 26, 20161 votes

cant wait for skarner to get a full VGU! (visual/gameplay update, for those who don't know)

The DeckownerFeb 26, 20161 votes

juggernut=tanky assasin

KasatkaHuemayFeb 26, 20161 votes

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juggernut=tanky assasin

But why they even exist if you can pick assassin and perform very effective.

The DeckownerFeb 26, 20161 votes

because juggernut's kit is much much more forgiving and easy to play, bad players tend to play these juggernut because there is no room of fucking up.

KhâmulFeb 26, 20163 votes

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because juggernut's kit is much much more forgiving and easy to play, bad players tend to play these juggernut because there is no room of fucking up.

wrong

RalanrFeb 26, 20161 votes

Agreed. Juggernauts (especially Illaoi) can fuck up incredibly hard.

Critmaster GarenFeb 26, 20161 votes

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juggernut=tanky assasin

id say more like tanky melee carries. they dont burst, but they can deal a lot of sustained damage.

garen needs to spin his opponent down before he can finish him with his ult, darius needs to ramp up his passive before he can wade through the enemy team, spreading the bleed to get them to low health and chain dunk etc.

KasatkaHuemayFeb 27, 20161 votes

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id say more like tanky melee carries. they dont burst, but they can deal a lot of sustained damage.

garen needs to spin his opponent down before he can finish him with his ult, darius needs to ramp up his passive before he can wade through the enemy team, spreading the bleed to get them to low health and chain dunk etc.

Melee carry = Tryndamere Aatrox

Billy VoHagenFeb 26, 20161 votes

Darius can kind of fit in this meta, he just runs in and fucks everything up. Garen maybe, also. But definetely not Illaoi or morde.

(Buff Illaoi)

legionnaire99Feb 26, 20161 votes

darius graen and illioa are great split pushers the all have a AA reset that makes them do more to turret mid game they can do 1000 to a turret in 2 auto attacks and mord just is't in a good spot