Riot. Listen to your community. Do NOT touch Veigar.

MarkedOfKane··31 votes·1,304 views

There are a lot of posts about how terrible this rework is. Here is another one.

The removal of deathfire hurt veigar. Im probably going to come off as dumb, but I never was a fan of the item. I know, I missed out.

I am unaffected by the removal of this item. And in all of my experience, I would often do really good without building it. I would still blow people up in the lategame.

Here is how I see it.

His new Q is a skill shot that hits 2 targets. I imagine that farming it will be awkward. Go to Q as a last hit, it hits another minion, and then you cant get that second one. This also makes it difficult to bully the enemy because he can dodge it or just stand behind minions.

His E is junk now. This how he was before. I would drop my E at it's maximum range and catch my opponent because they knew it was coming and were trying to get out of range. Most times, they run into it rather than me landing the wall directly ontop of them because it is so thin. This ability was also his only defense in lane unless he manages to bully the shit out of his opponent which is now harder with his new Q.

It has a delay and it gives a warning now. Enemies will just walk out of the way, many champions even have an ability that moves them.

His W packs a punch. But it has a catch, you can hear it coming closer and closer to hitting its mark and it makes a very noticable mark where it is about to hit. The target cannot be moving if you want to hit them with this. The only other way I can imagine it is putting it ahead of them while your allies chase him toward it so it is unavoidable.

I dont think Veigar needs to be touched. That is just my opinion because I never used Deathfires and I was happy with how he played.

Please riot, you listened when people were upset with Jinx not being pale as she was depicted in the videos and her splash art. Dont touch Veigar, I got his Final Boss skin and I dont want you to ruin him for me. item 3070

11 Comments

Meep Man5 votes

Veigar needs a new W. Its either so powerful it requires his E or so weak that its terrible.

5G8Nri0B544 votes

Cassiopeia :You think Riot listens to their community?

TomA3X3 votes

I played quite a lot of Veigar, and He needs this. Before, He was a braindead champion which required you to Insta Stun with E, and R, then they're dead. Thats no fun for the person on the other end of that, 0 counterplay possible, except Don't get stunned, But to be honest, he could just flash ultimate instead, and You'd be dead anyway.

I think Veigar needs this Rework, but probably needs a New W to go along with it, seeing as he's going to have trouble hitting it without the stun reliability.

Solaxo4 votes

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I played quite a lot of Veigar, and He needs this. Before, He was a braindead champion which required you to Insta Stun with E, and R, then they're dead. Thats no fun for the person on the other end of that, 0 counterplay possible, except Don't get stunned, But to be honest, he could just flash ultimate instead, and You'd be dead anyway.

I think Veigar needs this Rework, but probably needs a New W to go along with it, seeing as he's going to have trouble hitting it without the stun reliability.

Zed

TomA3X4 votes

What are you saying zed is an example of, no counterplay?

NoMonku3 votes

Just from looking at him as a champion overall, I feel he needs to be reworked or needs to be touched up on. He basically was an insta-nuke champion that has no counterplay if the player can land their stun(and any good Veigar can) so he basically has no actual "risk" or "skill" involved besides point and click. If I remember correctly, I think some of his "problems" are his mana ratios are too high for his kit, he is an infinite scaling champion (AP farming with Q), and his E is INCREDIBLY powerful for a non ultimate ability, that also scales up per rank. He has a LOT of hidden power that can be easily abused if used correctly.

It Hertz When IP2 votes

Nasus and Sion have infinite scaling and they don't do too bad. Veigar's annoyance came almost exclusively from his point-and-click ult that could 100-0 an AP squishy.

Remove the AP scaling on his ult. Bingo, now he's still a powerful anti-mage but doesn't do too hot against the other guys.

EDIT: Another idea is to have his E function like Thresh's ult: same insta-stun parameters as before, but each wall (it's already broken into walls visually) can only stun one champion before breaking.

Kyleman1432 votes

Well they need to do something to veigar honestly because he has a stun that lasts long enough for him to q r you and at later ranks can q r and w which is such a strong combo because two of them are point and click dmg... Yes DFG removal hurt him but he can still blow up an AP champ way too easily

Malicious Metal1 votes

Same goes with Morde. I never built the item and others didn't either. His win rate/Pick rate didn't get affected at all but it's going to get changed for the worse with these proposed changes. Just let Morde and Veigar be -.-

Big Bang Bob1 votes

The problem previously with his stun is that whether or not he lands it is almost completely depends on his skill with it, which is annoying.

The start up can be lowered and I don't really mind his Q being point and click. As long as I know it's coming so I have a chance to dodge it. Their's nothing wrong with a hard to land stun being hard to dodge if I can play around it other than "stay super far away from that guy. He has a stun and he knows how to use it".

Hupsis1 votes

So you don't like the first changes made to him and instantly want to revert him back to his old kit? So there isn't anything that Riot could possibly do to buff him in his new kit? Like making his W easier to hit on trapped targets or something.

The old kit is extremely frustrating and anything that tries to fix that is good. Instead of suggesting a revert try to think of ways to make his new kit work without making him frustrating.

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