Why doesn't Dead Man's plate do damage as a ranged champion?

Samflash3·Aug 11, 2016·3 votes·1,205 views

It seems counterintuitive. What's the reasoning for making it different compared to Statikk Shiv or Rapidfire cannon.

24 Comments

YJRBqwXJcSAug 11, 20165 votes

so we dont end up with more shit like black cleaver duskblade ghostblade

frostborne gauntlet ezreal.

Samflash3Aug 11, 20163 votes

Except it's 100 damage that requires a full charge.

Why aren't we complaining about Sunfire doing 40 damage per second? Or Statikk, Rapidfire Cannon, Ludens, Kirchaels

Critmaster GarenAug 11, 20163 votes

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Except it's 100 damage that requires a full charge.

Why aren't we complaining about Sunfire doing 40 damage per second? Or Statikk, Rapidfire Cannon, Ludens, Kirchaels

simple answer is, its not supposed to be a good item on ranged champions. the thing is designed for melee champions to help them roam and initiate on more mobile/ranged champions.

if ranged champions would profit from the item the same as melee champions, theyd use it to kite them indefinitely and for hit and run poke.

thats also why mallet applies a lower slow on ranged auto attacks than on melee attacks.

and why steraks ad scales with base ad, as ranged champions have generally much lower base ad values than melee fighters.

Samflash3Aug 11, 20161 votes

I'm okay with losing the slow. Heck, cutting the max stack to 50 or 75. But as it stands, it gives you the promise of gaining momentum and unleashing it for a bit of damage but doesn't deliver.

In other words, imagine you were a malphite who ulted through an enemy but you didn't hit anyone because you aimed the circle in the wrong place. That's how it feels everytime you unleash momentum.

CatastropAug 11, 20163 votes

Because they don't need more kite.

EndlessSorcererAug 11, 20161 votes

It should do damage on ranged champions.

However, only melee champions get the doubled damage and the slow at 100 stacks.

Photos of GhostsAug 11, 20161 votes

It would seem that it doesn't.

Samflash3Aug 11, 20161 votes

Doesn't seem to. 10 stacks, 20 stacks, 100 stacks, my autos seem the same.

Which is a pain because as Jayce, whenever I stance change, I'm either doing 100 or 0.

EndlessSorcererAug 11, 20161 votes

Wait, seriously?

Huh, I guess the melee-only tag must refer to the entire passive rather that just the sentence it was included in.

KeepeAug 11, 20161 votes

Nope. Can still go faster, last I checked.

GRANTED, last I checked was in that weird GP event and while I was playing Bard. (Meaning screw it, I still get the slow from my own passive, why the hell not. XD)

EndlessSorcererAug 11, 20161 votes

You can still go faster, but there are two sentences in the description of Crushing Blow.

The first one states the normal damage dealt by stacks. The second sentence states that the damage will double at full stacks and apply a slow (and this sentence includes the melee only tag).

KeepeAug 11, 20161 votes

THAT BEING SAID

Vroom Vroom Bardo.

BhagswagAug 11, 20161 votes

Yep that's why it would work great on Janna. She almost never auto attacks later in the game, and almost always needs to be super fast for her team.

Samflash3Aug 11, 20161 votes

And I don't mind losing the slow. That's something melee champions should get the benefit of landing the auto. But the damage is where I'm at odds with losing.

JbelsAug 11, 20161 votes

The problem is you'll get abuse cases like Thresh, who will do WAY too much damage on one auto with that item, in addition to the tankiness and map mobility

Maximum MordeAug 11, 20161 votes

Edit: Im a retard.

JbelsAug 11, 20161 votes

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Edit: Im a retard.

You must be a joy in your ranked games.

TyroneWatermelonAug 11, 20161 votes

Kill me

TyroneWatermelonAug 11, 20162 votes

For the same reason ravenous hydra is not ranged and runaan's is not melee

TyroneWatermelonAug 11, 20161 votes

While also ranged chimps already get high mobility and dashes,protobelt/critical chance/luden's echo,and easy kiting glp80 and rylai-while melee got small dashes,dead man's and phage

Samflash3Aug 11, 20161 votes

You say it like Melee cant get those items that ranged got.

TyroneWatermelonAug 11, 20162 votes

I say that I'm pretty much sure I won't ever in any situation buy hextech gp80 or luden's echo on Aatrox and Illaoi and Yi or any fucking ad champ and crit on any non marksman except Yasuo/yi/tryndamere.

Samflash3Aug 11, 20161 votes

No, but the chos, amumus, ekko, elise, Zac, maokais, malphites, WILL get the Hextech Luden's.

As for crit, yeah.

iodyAug 11, 20161 votes

its the opposite actually lol have you heard of ravenous hydra or titanic hydra or even runaans hurricane? they were designed to only be used on certain types of champs.