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A problem I have with cinderhulk

Soda Popkillski··1 votes·277 views

Cinderhulk pretty much FORCES all of your items to at least have some form of health, to actually make it a remotely viable upgrade. I really don't like how a mandatory tank item makes item building so strict on tank junglers. It ruins the possibility of getting Frozen heart and thornmail on tank junglers, 2 items that are really essential in certain situations. Devourer may be an option for champs like Skarner, but it's still a pretty annying problem.

In case you don't understand, i'm talking about how cinderhulk is only 25% BONUS health. Resorting in the only way to make it useful being to have every item be a health item.

Ok here, to you idiots who think Cinderhulk doesn't need health items to be good: Let's compare it to other jungle items: To make Cinderhulk as cost efficient as the other enchantments the player would need about 2.5 health upgrades. Previous to those items you will be rather squishy, and after those items (as long as you choose to continue buying health items) you will be rather tanky. In fact, 2.5 items are over half your items, meaning that even with full health items, cinderhulk will not be as strong as the other enchantments. If you don't buy full health, then it will by no means be worth it, as you have sacrificed a lot of earlygame tankiness (300 health for an entire item is terrible early) for that potential highly tanky late-game.

8 Comments

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

It's like telling me to always build MR on Galio when going against a full AD enemy team just to make my passive useful.

Soda Popkillski1 votes

Galio's passive doesn't cost gold and use an item slot -.-

GundayMonday1 votes

No it doesn't, check your math.

Look at the stats it gives. Look at how much it costs. Look at how much health you need on top of it to make it gold efficient. You'll see what I mean.

Soda Popkillski1 votes

I think you are the one who needs to check your math. Warmogs only costs 250 more than cinderhulk (No, cinderhulk does NOT cost 1400, it's 2250). So we might as well say they have the same price. To make cinderhulk as gold efficient as warmogs, you need to get to have every single other health item (if you don't go some UBER health item like warmogs itself) to be health items, and that's ONLY lategame, after filling ALL your upgrades (unless you skip boots of course). Not only that, but warmogs CLEARLY has the superior passive.

Cinderhulk is purely overrated. And even if it was as strong as everyone claims it is, then it would be bound to be nerfed.

EDIT: Well, let's compare cinderhulk to other enchantments instead, to be a little more fair. If so the player would only need 2.5 health upgrades to make it as gold efficient. Which is still over half of your upgrades, meaning it will on average, still be a negative thing EVEN including the entire late-game. So my point still stands, you HAVE to buy all health items to make it worth buying.

Dr Poro1 votes

But cinderhulk gives a lot of bonuses for that price. The AOE bonus being the major one, but don't forget the bonuses against monsters and upgraded smite.

Cinderhulk is a great item on it's own and you should get at least 2 more health items by the end of the game. You can still buy FH or thornmail (I wouldn't recommend both), while not benefitting from the cinderhulk bonus, health isn't everything.

Devourer synergized with on hit effect items. Does this mean all of your items need on hit effects? Hell no! Most champs buyi it with BotRK and then go tanky.

Soda Popkillski1 votes

That AOE is still the worse version of sunfire cape (it deals more damage to minions and monsters, but only something like 20% more) Really, the passive is not nearly as good as the runeglaive and devourer passive.

You need to buy 2 more health items to make it as good as the others, yes, but to make it efficient you need to have EVERY item be a health item. Remember, you don't have those 2 health items in the earlygame. So pretty much, you need to go full health to make the late-game worth what you sacrificed in the earlygame. First at 2 items are you DECENT.

Devouerer has twice the cost efficiency as cinderhulk at base, with literally no further stacks. There's a reason why I ran it on so many champs even before the buff. It was just underrated.

GundayMonday1 votes

Read what the item does before you argue about it: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Cinderhulk (Just sayin)

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